Adrian Wyllie, Libertarian Candidate for Governor, Supports States' Rights, Hangs Up on New Times

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Adrian Wyllie was in good spirit when we got him on the phone yesterday, riding high on a burst of publicity prompted by the news he'd polled 9 percent in the Florida governor's race, according to the latest Quinnipiac poll. He wasn't quite so happy 15 minutes later, when he hung up on New Times rather than pursue an uncomfortable line of discussion.

See also: Rick Scott and Charlie Crist Are Too Close to Call, Poll Says

Just to clear the decks, we kicked off by asking how libertarianism differs from anarchism, just how little government Wyllie wants to see. "I believe government has a purpose," he said. "To protect life, liberty, and property... I'm a 'constitutionalist,' if you want to put a label on it."

We pointed out that the Constitution is just a text, a set of principles applied in circumstances unknown to the text's authors, and that different courts have differed about how the principles apply.

"That's something I take exception with," Wyllie said. "I think the Constitution is very clear and different people try to bend it to their will. I don't support a lot of the decisions."

We asked for more on how the Constitution is applied, Wyllie asked for a specific context, and we pointed to his proposed "Florida Intrastate Commerce Act," by which "any product that is grown, manufactured, fabricated, distributed, sold, and consumed within the State of Florida" would be exempt from federal regulation.

"It could be any service too," Wyllie said. "It would affect a significant amount of Florida business. Protect them from federal regulations that keep them from growing their business." (Wyllie cited the example of such an act in Kansas, "though that only applies to firearms in Kansas.") We could still have government regulation, though, according to Wyllie, "if the people of Florida decide it's necessary."

So OSHA couldn't come in to inspect workplaces for health and safety? "Correct," Wyllie said. "But the State of Florida could enact regulations for that."

Would Wyllie support an eight-hour day in Florida? "I think the market can decide what's appropriate. I certainly know that I'm not going to go work for someone who's not going to pay me the right, what I think I'm worth, or have work conditions unsafe. The market has great ability to self-regulate in that regard."

Wyllie went on to say that we'd outgrown the need for government regulation. Today, he said, "with people in instant communication with each other, if there is an injustice somewhere, it's known all over the world very quickly."

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Does Wyllie really believe the typical Florida worker can just tell the boss "Take this job and shove it?" "When we enact my economic plan," he said, "there will be so many jobs, workers will be able to pick and choose."

OK. Step one of Wyllie's economic plan is to cut the state budget. What's he gonna cut? Education? "The inefficiencies and waste and flat-out corruption, yes," he said. "Ending federal mandates like Common Core, where the state has told school boards to pick one of two curriculum providers and one is owned by Neil Bush, Jeb's brother. That's flat-out corruption... I've spoken to legislators who say they only voted for Common Core out of fear of Jeb Bush."

So anyone related to anyone politically active shouldn't be allowed to seek government contracts? "I'm not proposing a law like that," Wyllie said. "But when we find there is actual flat-out corruption and kickbacks, we'll prosecute."

Kickbacks? "I'm not accusing Neil Bush of bribery," Wyllie said. "But there's a blatant conflict of interest... I've spent a lot of time in Tallahassee, and wherever you go, there's a deal going on." He estimated such "back-scratching" often "doubles or triples" the cost of state contracts.

(Also part of Wyllie's economic plan is a proposal that state government "begin transacting state business in gold and silver as required by Article 1, Section 10 of the United States Constitution and introduce competing currencies legislation, as Utah has already done and other states are considering.")

As for health care, Wyllie "doesn't believe government should be involved." While others debate whether and how much to expand Medicaid, Wyllie said he plans to "cut Medicaid dramatically."

Wyllie claims he can do that -- and still provide health care for the needy -- by eliminating the use of hospital emergency rooms for minor complaints. "Would it be heartless to tell them to use a walk-in clinic if you don't have an actual emergency? Or go to a family doctor? Is that cold?... That will save Florida billions of dollars." (Statistics on the cost to Medicaid of unnecessary ER visits are slippery. We're stlll looking.)

Here's where the conversation broke down.

We observed that Wyllie's health care program involved a certain amount of government regulation, and Wyllie responded that we "really seem to have libertarians confused with anarchists." We responded that the libertarian label is confusing and is read many ways by many people, even serving as a magnet to white supremacists, historically. Which was a bridge too far for the candidate.

"Oh, come on now," Wyllie said. "I'm gonna end this interview if you're going that direction."

"Not saying that applies to you," we said, "but true of libertarianism as a movement."

"I reject that," Wyllie said. "I think that's all the time I'm going to give you today." Finis.

To which we say: those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

Fire Ant -- an invasive species, tinged bright red, with an annoying, sometimes-fatal sting -- covers South Florida news and culture. Got feedback or a tip? Contact Fire.Ant@BrowardPalmBeach.com.



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OrlandoChris
OrlandoChris

Adrian Wyllie is the only sane choice. It's hard to understand why anyone would want scott or crist again. Both failed miserably. Adrian deserves my vote (and yours too) simply because he is honest, along with many, many other good reasons. I believe all that is needed is name recognition and for people to know there is another choice beside the same old corrupt candidates. Support Adrian by donating to his campaign and also the super brochure program, which I think is very powerful. Visit his website today: www.WyllieForGovernor.com
There is also a spanish version of his website: VotaPorWyllie.com

nx1707
nx1707

So you were surprised that he ending the conversation when you started insulting the Libertarian party? Ummm ok.

golchie2
golchie2

This rag convienantly forgets the Democratic Party once was for racial divide in the  Deep South. Democrat Robert Byrd from W. Virginia himself was in the Ku Klux Klan as a younger man. The interview was going very candidly until they threw in that sentence equating Libertarianism with White Supremacy

thelawnlady
thelawnlady

What is the difference between the BIG spending Republican Rick Scott and the BIG spending Republican Charlie Crist. NOTHING. Neither Scott nor Crist is worthy of my vote.  remember this: When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are voting for evil.  Adrian Wyllie is the best man in the race hands down. The only way to get real change is to vote for the best man in the race, not a bought and paid for corrupt politician!

 

bcole83
bcole83

Fire Ant,


Are you familiar with the Tenth Amendment of the US Constitution, and the overuse and abuse of the "interstate commerce clause" to repeatedly try to consolidate power in the hands of a few up in DC?  Perhaps the Bill of Rights is not important to you, but it is to an increasing number of Americans who are finally waking up to what the two party duopoly has done to the US Government in the last 150 years.  Yes, I am a Libertarian, and there is nothing "kooky" in this blog of he interview except of the huge and extremely questionable leap you tried to take to link Libertarianism to white supremacy, without using any source to back his claim up.  Obviously, much of your anger must originate from the fact you wish to protect and promote the corrupt political parties who purchase ads to sling mud at each other and help you get paid, instead of candidates who are more interested in putting people and principle over petty partisan politics. Due to money motivations and trying to protect your "clients", I sense a conflict of interest here, and your "interview" only further reinforces why only about 20% of Americans actually consider the mainstream media credible a credible news source.

Try to research beyond and outside of the box, instead of living in the nice and cozy space you have found by protecting the two major political parties at all costs for so many years .  Libertarians are the ones fighting hardest to end racial profiling among the police departments, and force the public to reconsider the "War on Drugs", which has disproportionally led to arrests among minorities, which neither the Democrats or Republicans seem to care about. Also, while you are at it, consider this quote from President Lyndon Johnson about why he created the Great Society: "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." Okay, there is a clear and valid case of racism from the Democrats, and the history the KKK played with the Democratic Party throughout the south. And how about the Republicans? Look no further than the recent Republican Primary vote for Senate in Mississippi. Failing to mention the obvious elements in the two establishment parties while unsuccessfully attempting to create an imaginary link between Libertarians and racism was obviously a premeditated reason you conducted your interview.  Remember, you have to keep the parties buying ads on your network happy, even if fewer and fewer Americans trust anything you have to say.

Before you attempt to take a nonsensical attempt to link Libertarianism to racism using dated stereotypes instead of backing your claim up with verifiable sources, consider the numerous ways the two establishment political parties have used and abused minorities to get into power, sucking them into a cycle where there is little if any incentive for minorities to feel like the only way they can make it is with the government taking care of anything, instead of encouraging the underprivileged in America to feel they have a way to improve their lives.


I know progressives believe government is the answer, not the problem, which is responsible for the deterioration in America's economy, and skyrocketing debt. Before automatically and falsely accusing candidates who are actually allowing voters a third choice at the ballot box this Election Day here in Florida, do a little research into why Americans are leaving the Democratic and Republican parties in record numbers, because if Americans were happy with the options provided by the establishment parties, they would not be looking elsewhere.  Those accusing third parties of being the problem have acquired far too much of this belief by watching the Democrats and Republicans in DC constantly blaming each other for what is going wrong instead of accepting responsibility.

democide
democide topcommenter

Oh Nooooooooooooo! A 3rd choice? here come the trolls

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Attention Liberkookians -- there is no such thing as "States' Rights"


States don't have rights, states -- governments -- are granted POWERS.


Individuals are granted RIGHTS ... to protect them from Government Powers.


hth.

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dakotaandrze
dakotaandrze

Wyllie had every right to hang up on an incendiary pig STEVE ELLMAN. I shall waste no more time on your bigotry except to say... this article puts Adrian in a much better light than you.

fire.ant
fire.ant topcommenter

@golchie2 
"...sentence equating Libertarianism with White Supremacy"


You need to brush up on your reading comprehension.



fire.ant
fire.ant topcommenter

@rickadams650 
Yeah. Nice way to cut and run rather than make your argument. "Well done" as in toast.

golchie2
golchie2

@DonkeyHotay I think you had better read the Constitution and specifically the 10th Amendment. There are only 20 Enumerated rights given to the FEDS and every other power rests with the States and its People

golchie2
golchie2

@DonkeyHotay I think you had better pick up a copy of the Constitution and read it; specifically the 10th Amendment. There are only 20 Enumerated rights granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution and they are:

  1. Coin and regulate the value of money.
  2. Administer the seat of government.
  3. Tax.
  4. Borrow.
  5. Spend.
  6. Punish crimes on the high seas.
  7. Establish federal courts.
  8. Pass copyright and patent laws.
  9. Raise and finance armed forces.
  10. Establish bankruptcy laws.
  11. Establish rules for citizenship.
  12. Call up state militias.
  13. Administer federal lands.
  14. Establish rules for the armed forces.
  15. Establish a postal system.
  16. Regulate commerce.
  17. Standardize weights and measures.
  18. Punish counterfeiting.
  19. Declare war.
  20. Pass laws to implement the above.

golchie2
golchie2

@DonkeyHotay You had better read the Constitution, specifically the 10th Amendment. There are only 20 Enumerated Powers granted to the Federal Government in our Constitution

  1. Coin and regulate the value of money.
  2. Administer the seat of government.
  3. Tax.
  4. Borrow.
  5. Spend.
  6. Punish crimes on the high seas.
  7. Establish federal courts.
  8. Pass copyright and patent laws.
  9. Raise and finance armed forces.
  10. Establish bankruptcy laws.
  11. Establish rules for citizenship.
  12. Call up state militias.
  13. Administer federal lands.
  14. Establish rules for the armed forces.
  15. Establish a postal system.
  16. Regulate commerce.
  17. Standardize weights and measures.
  18. Punish counterfeiting.
  19. Declare war.
  20. Pass laws to implement the above.

democide
democide topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay meanwhile in Colorado and Washington State, The will of the people has made pot legal contrary to the controlled substance act, a federal law. The states have rights not granted by the feds. so stop lying. you are not good at it.

golchie2
golchie2

@fire.ant @golchie2 You need to stop baiting serious Libertarian Politicians into interviews if you are just going to character assassinate them!

macy5
macy5

@fire.ant @rickadams650 I'd hang up on you too.  I don't see you intervening Charlie Crist, asking him how he an join so many parties with their long history of Taliban like civil right abuses. Including his, which were tough drug laws and supporting the ban of gay marriage

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@golchie2 ... Learn the difference between Individual RIGHTS and Government POWERS.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@golchie2 ... those are POWERS granted to Government.


INDIVIDUALS are granted (or have) RIGHTS ... to protect them from government POWERS.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@democide ... you Libertoonians will always be laughed at as the half-baked delusional pretentious fools that you are, especially since you can't comprehend the difference between Government POWER and Individual RIGHTS.


PS: the idiotic cry of "State's Rights" was implemented by those Confederate Rebels who wanted to IGNORE Federal Law on the RIGHTS of INDIVIDUAL Negros ... and later by the same lowlife shitsucking racists and bigots who wanted to ignore Federal anti-SEGREGATION laws and keep those damn uppity Negros from voting, marrying white women, riding in the front of the bus, or drinking from their white's only water fountains.


Now go fuck yourself, scumbag.


democide
democide topcommenter

@fire.ant @dakotaandrze  incendiary language means saying things in a dramatic way, trying to provoke a strong reaction, stir up factionalism or sedition, as an agitator would do.

Also referred to as inflammatory speech or incendiary rhetoric. 

fire.ant
fire.ant topcommenter

@golchie2 @fire.ant 

You know what really went down?
I made a casual, passing observation about the many things "libertarianism" has meant to different people over time and your boy got his knickers in a knot .
Between Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard there's quite a stew of racist thought in the libertarian pot, and the popular memory of those associations remains -- to the extent there is any popular thinking about politics.
This would have been a perfect oppty for Wyllie to confront that mis-perception -- if that's what it is. He blew it.

As for "states' rights," the history of the phrase is clear and enduring and Wyllie is either stupid or disingenuous or extremely calculating to fly that banner.

fire.ant
fire.ant topcommenter

@macy5 @fire.ant @rickadams650 
If I get the chance to interview Charlie Crist he'll get the full treatment.
Not that that has anything to do with the fact that Wyllie wimped out on me.

democide
democide topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @democide spoken by a true Hate filled democrat! this is the party of tolerance!!! or in this case the party of "I'm right, go fuck yourself!"

macy5
macy5

@fire.ant If Ron Paul is racist, why did he deliver many black babies for free?  Why was he the only candidate stating that the war on drugs is racists towards blacks, even though white people do more of the drugs, blacks are arrested more.  Bottom line is , libertarianism is living how you want to live, without interference from government.  Be it gay, straight, polygamy.  Meaning that we are the real party of freedom, unlike the democrats who are only pro-choice when it comes to abortion...we are pro choice on all decisions of your life.  Every party has a connection to wackos, doesnt mean the whole party and its members are too.  Id hang up on you too for not trying to see that!

macy5
macy5

@fire.ant @macy5 @rickadams650 Good, Oh well, attention in the media is better than no attention.  The LP is the only party that supports ending corruption, corporate welfare, wars, the drug war, gay rights, balanced budgets, who is pro-choice on all issues, not just abortion.  

democide
democide topcommenter

@fire.ant @democide by all means, please continue to be emotional and highly offensive. I will ask you FOR THE 2ND TIME, why?

macy5
macy5

@fire.ant @macy5 Cowardly?  Ron Paul is a republican, why should he be answering questions a about a Republican? Got any Libertarian  candidate rants instead?  There are hundreds of them elected locally!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@democide ... 


"When the debate is lost, liberkookians toss a pathetic allegation of slander and run home to mommy" -- Donkey Hotay

fire.ant
fire.ant topcommenter

@macy5 @fire.ant 
First you say RP isn't a racist. Now you say he's not a registered member of the LP.

Ron Paul is a key figure in the libertarian movement, whatever his party affiliation.
The ideological figureheads of the movement do more to define it in the public eye than do the various dogcatchers who were elected on the LP line.

democide
democide topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @democide ad hominem personal attacker who likes to call people "Scumbags" and to "Fuck off" like a 7 year old retarded child! good for you! Are all DEMOCRATS this pathetic?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@democide "ad hominem personal attacker" "like a 7 year old retarded child!" "Are all DEMOCRATS this pathetic?"


“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

― Socrates


Q.E.D.

democide
democide topcommenter

@fire.ant @democide @dakotaandrze Although Crist got into office by claiming to be a tax-cutter, he has been anything but that. His “Accelerate Florida” stimulus plan cost $28.8 billion — and what does he really have to show for it? All that Crist really succeeded at doing was accelerating Florida into debt…

Moreover, “Accelerate Florida” is extremely similar to Obama’s “Shovel-Ready” Stimulus (and of course, we all know the president’s stimulus was nothing but “shovel ready” and it did nothing to help the unemployment rate.) The Associated Press reported that, “A federal spending surge of more than $20 billion for roads and bridges in President Barack Obama’s first stimulus has had no effect on local unemployment rates, raising questions about his argument for billions more to address an ‘urgent need to accelerate job growth.’”


pot meet kettle

democide
democide topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @democide remember ""When the debate is lost, liberkookians toss a pathetic allegation of slander and run home to mommy" -- Donkey Hotay???  what I said about you is a FACT. children with retarded development don't debate either, they say things like "Fuck off" and call people "Scumbag"


you and your hero fire.ant already lost the debate, mmmkay?

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