NRA Says the Florida Sheriffs Association Has Declared War on Second Amendment

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A bill that would've allowed people to walk around with concealed guns -- even if they do not have concealed weapons permits -- during riots or natural disasters was killed in the Florida Legislature last week.

And the NRA is upset.

Had it passed, SB 296 would have made it cool for anyone -- even a person without a concealed weapons permit, so long as he or she had a clean criminal history -- to carry a concealed weapon during riots or natural disasters that require immediate evacuation.

The bill was so controversial that one senator filed a "zombie apocalypse" amendment to the bill as a sarcastic way of showing how ridiculous he thought it was to begin with.

Specifically, the bill says a person may carry a concealed firearm on or about his person "while in the act of evacuating during a mandatory evacuation order declared by the Governor pursuant to chapter 252 or declared by a local authority pursuant to chapter 870."

The Florida Sheriffs Association helped kill the bill.

The bill had passed the House last month by a vote of 80-36, but Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri called it "insane." Trying to keep the peace during a stressful and chaotic emergency evacuation would likely be more difficult if more people were running around with guns, and besides, as written, the proposed law would have been difficult to enforce.

So Gualtieri worked with Republican Sen. Jack Latvala to add an amendment that would have limited the exemption for concealed weapons permits to 24 hours as well as remove the exemption once the gun owner reached his destination after evacuating. The amendment would make it clearer for officers to enforce this law, the sheriff said.

But this ultimately killed the bill, as the original sponsor Sen. Jeff Brandes, disapproved of the amendment of giving people 24 hours.

"[The amendment] makes it a felony if you're a minute late after the evacuation," Brandes said, per the Miami Herald. "It makes the bill anti-Second Amendment. It defeats the whole purpose."

The NRA sent out a legislative alert saying that the Florida Sheriffs Association has declared war on the Second Amendment.

"Be perfectly clear," the statement reads. "This was a straight up Second Amendment issue in its purest form. And the Florida Sheriffs Association opposed your fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms at a time when you most need to be able to protect yourself and your family.

"Sheriffs repeatedly made it clear that the only thing they cared about was their convenience," the NRA statement reads.

From the NRA Alert:

Rhetorical questions like,

"How are we supposed to know who has guns?"
"How are we supposed to know if people are legally in possession of guns?"
"How are we supposed to know they are actually evacuating?"
"How are we supposed to know when we shine flashlights in cars and see guns that they are legal?" -- made it clear it was all about what they wanted and not about the rights and needs of the people they were elected to serve. They also made it clear, they prefer to presume you are a criminal rather than an honest citizen trying to protect your family and your property.

The NRA statement goes on to list the senators who backed the bill, or, as they put it, the "TRUE Second Amendment Supporters who voted to protect your rights," and those who killed the bill.

"Sometimes you need to lose in order to identify the real enemy," the NRA statement says. "This was one of those times."

A Florida Statute says that when emergency is declared, a person is automatically prohibited from "the intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty."

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18 comments
jogocar
jogocar

No permission needed from government nor the sheriff.  God permits me to protect myself and family.

zgennaro
zgennaro

People have a natural and constitutionally protected right to bear arms. This right cannot be ignored because of the concerns (in this case imagined concerns) of the law enforcement lobby. Gun laws have no effect on people determined to commit violent crimes and to think otherwise is painfully foolish. The law should allow all free adults to peaceably carry holstered handguns whenever they please. 

Bisley
Bisley

Some of the sheriffs' questions as to how to determine who is, or is not in violation of the law are valid.  The solution is a law similar to Arizona, Alaska, Vermont, etc., allowing anyone who can legally own a gun to carry, and repealing the prohibition on arms during emergencies.  Then it can be presumed that anyone with a gun is legal, until proven otherwise.

landfall23
landfall23

I lived through hurricane Andrew, and believe me, I was glad I had a loaded handgun.

Chad Cooke
Chad Cooke

Do you honestly believe any legislation is going to stop me from taking care of my property or family in an emergency situation?

Unit231
Unit231



In some states, for example Arizona and Alaska, it's lawful to carry a firearm, either openly or concealed, without a license or permit of any kind.


And no member of the NRA I know advocates or wishes to be "In a gunfight every day". We advocate avoidance an situational awareness and carry firearms for defense of ourselves and if necessary others. 

However, being defenseless during a natural disaster such as Hurricane Katrina, where lawlessness was indeed rampant in places, is truly a bad idea.



smdrpepper
smdrpepper

Seems to me the NRA is trying to foster lawlessness..  If the cops have an issue with this saying its a REALLY bad idea, maybe people should listen.  Sure, some cops have issues, but not all. And they have the training to police the streets, not some dumb ass redneck.  If they had their way, we would be living in a gunfight every day.

rehafner
rehafner

@smdrpepper It is apparent you know nothing of the NRA.  Also you might consider civilian police are definitely not well trained.  When you have time research the number of time these armed, badge carrying clowns have shot each other, innocent bystanders and pets.

howarddennard
howarddennard

@smdrpepper your racist upbringing is showing. Calling everyone who believes in the Constitution a "dumb ass redneck". May I suggest you change your name from smdrpepper to "hides head in sand."  Those of us who carry do so for self-protection, not to play po-LICE. NOW will you PLEASE stop trying to force your beliefs on others.

howarddennard
howarddennard

@smdrpepper your racist upbringing is showing. Calling everyone who believes in the Constitution a "dumb ass redneck". May I suggest you change your name from smdrpepper to "hides head in sand."  Those of us who carry do so for self-protection, not to play po-LICE. NOW will you PLEASE stop trying to force your beliefs on others.

Unit231
Unit231

@smdrpepper  


In some states, for example Arizona and Alaska, it's lawful to carry a firearm, either openly or concealed, without a license or permit of any kind.


And no member of the NRA I know advocates or wishes to be "In a gunfight every day". We advocate avoidance an situational awareness and carry firearms for defense of ourselves and if necessary others. 

However, being defenseless during a natural disaster such as Hurricane Katrina, where lawlessness was indeed rampant in places, is truly a bad idea.

Unit231
Unit231

@smdrpepper  


In some states, for example Arizona and Alaska, it's lawful to carry a firearm, either openly or concealed, without a license or permit of any kind.


And no gun owner, whether a member of the NRA or not, that I know advocates or wishes to be "In a gunfight every day". We advocate avoidance an situational awareness and carry firearms for defense of ourselves and if necessary others. 

However, being defenseless during a natural disaster such as Hurricane Katrina, where lawlessness was indeed rampant in places, is truly a bad idea.

smdrpepper
smdrpepper

@howarddennard @smdrpepperSo I am racist for thinking unregulated guns are a bad idea..and rednecks cannot read the Constitution, let alone believe in it.  If thinking you need guns to protect yourself from everything out there, it is YOU who are hiding your head in the sand and the numbers back that up.  It is more likely for you to blow your own head off than to "protect" yourself from whatever paranoid fear you have.  In much simpler words, your not protecting yourself, but putting yourself at risk. 

smdrpepper
smdrpepper

@jimmieknight60 Wow..so I am a prepper?  Where the hell did you get that from?  

The second amendment deals with militia, which is now the National Guard, not some random idiots who think they can substitute a gun for the dicks.  Never mind the fact that when it was written, all they had to shoot were muskets.  Also notice it says "well regulated", not a bunch of yahoos running around talking about overthrowing the government, which most of these right wing extremists talk about daily.

jimmieknight60
jimmieknight60

@smdrpepper @howarddennardcouple of thoughts from an illiterate redneck. what is your understanding of the 2nd amendment? whose head is where? the numbers indicate yours is not in the sand, however it is in a snug position somewhat below your waistline.

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