Florida Mom Fights Court Order to Circumcise Her 3-Year-Old Son

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Circumcision has become controversial in recent years. There is evidence that circumcision was performed by ancient Egyptians, and Jews believe that Abraham made a covenant with God, getting long life and fertility if he agreed that all his male descendents would be cut. In the 1800s, circumcision grew popular as a supposed cure for masturbation, and the procedure was popularized in America as hospital births became the norm after World War II, but rates have been steadily declining in the past decade. In Europe, circumcision is considered barbaric and generally not practiced.

Hironimus' lawyer filed an emergency motion with the Fourth DCA to get a stay on Gillen's order so they could argue the matter before an appeals court.

Hironimus is a stay-at-home mom and has started a fundraising page to fight the matter. She describes the judge as "very pro-circumcision" and says:

"My attorney and I are going to be appealing this decision as neither of us believe it should be a decision left to anyone other than Chase, who is 3 1/2 and fully aware. As a stay at home mom, I do not have the funding to be able to fully accomplish this on my own. I am pleading with fellow intactavists, parents and all others to help me save my son, his foreskin, his rights and hopefully other children from allowing the 'system' to make these decisions."

Sinatra said she expects the Fourth DCA to issue a ruling by sometime today on whether to grant the stay.

Dennis Nebus hung up when reached by phone for comment.

A group called Intact Florida is trying to organize a protest.

See the order of the court below.

Order Enforcing Final Judgment

And here is the order granting emergency motion for review.

Order Granting Emergency Motion for Review

Email Deirdra.Funcheon@BrowardPalmBeach.com.




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everyonesucks666
everyonesucks666

Children are never considered sentient beings... they are merely "property" of the parents. This is why it's "ok" to assault them as a from of punishment, mutilate their genitals, pierce their ears, and the least qualified to care for them can pop them out at will, never being made to give up their fertility, because the rights of an abuser, neglecter, or drug addict are greater than those of an innocent child. 

This world is so BACKWARD, and this is another symptom of that. 

hairyarmpits
hairyarmpits

No child should be forced to undergo circumcision.  It has zero proven health benefits, it is extraordinarily painful, and it is a violation of human rights.  Shame on this judge.


Charlie McCollum
Charlie McCollum

Everyone should have the right to decide for themselves whether or not to have their genitals unnecessarily modified, and courts should not be forcing unnecessary genital modifications.

AboutPediatrics
AboutPediatrics

Maybe the judge could have sentenced them to coparenting classes....

anieomousse
anieomousse

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anieomousse
anieomousse

It is often said that a "Plastibell" circumcision is painless and doesn't involve any cutting or blood. Many people say that it is a more "gentle" circumcision without any risks.

 All of these statements are false. No circumcision is painless. 

The foreskin contains thousands of concentrated, specialized nerve endings. It is the most sensitive part of the penis. Any cutting on this part of the body is extremely painful, even with anesthetic (which will never provide 100% pain relief).

All circumcisions involve cutting, tearing and blood (even Plastibell methods). From birth, the foreskin is fused to the head of the penis (like a fingernail is fused to a finger). Before any circumcision begins, the foreskin must be ripped away from the glans. With a Plastibell circumcision, typically the foreskin is slit down the top to allow the insertion of the Plastibell. When in place, a string is tightly tied to necrotize the foreskin. After everything is secured, the excess skin is removed with scalpel or scissors.

A video of a Plastibell infant circumcision can be seen below:

Rough to watch  here:

 http://www.thewholenetwork.org/twn-news/the-dangers-of-plastibell-circumcisions-graphic

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dialate
dialate

Are we really arguing over a childs's foreskin. This is some redneck sht. I mean replace circumcision with "tattoo" and it does not change the level of tribal ignorance going on here.

Elective body modification is an ADULT activity. End of story.

nhale1955
nhale1955

There are very strong views on circumcision. Most of which seem to come from women. There are very valid reasons for circumcision. The rate of STDs is higher, not debatable, because there is extra tissue to hide microorganisms under.

Sure there is a risk of death from general anesthesia, but the there is 3x greater likelihood of getting struck by lightning. …..and a 15 fold increase of death from driving to the hospital. Therefore the child should never go to school due to the risk of death....right? Of course not.

The procedure is elective however. Both parents need to agree. Otherwise let the boy choose for himself. Or wait until he gets a nasty infection and needs one at an older age when nerve endings don't regrow and he does loose sensation to the head of his penis.

arnaux
arnaux

Since circumcision is a crime against the helpless child there is no justifcation for the procedure. Any boy can get himself circumcised when he is an adult but we all know that very few opt for this.

Religious grounds is a bogus reason but muslims and jews can do what they want to their own followers.

In America, circumsicion is foisted on unaware and trusting mothers who opt out when they obtain information on the procedure. Docters tell them that it is safe and harmless and prevent infection, cancer, aids etc. etc.but htis is a lie. IT IS AN OPERATION!!!

We can be assured that there is a place in hell for those people who prefer to charge thousands of dollars to the unaware parents as well as introducing the baby to life on Earth as painful.

 Fathers should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen to their sons.

Ness
Ness

Circumcision is a Hebrew custom, going back to ancient times. Personally, as a member of the tribe, I would rather only Hebrews follow this custom. It actually should be a non-issue. Let's focus on something important. Tune in to Infowars.com and see what's really going on, folks.

jrossouw
jrossouw

Circ slices off between 75% and 85% nerve endings. Pepending on procedure. Blood rich foreskin secretes anti biotics and protects the glans. According to Maimonides   writes in For The Perplexed the real reason  for circ is to cut blood supply,growth and pleasure for both parties.Objective , become more cerebral.

hollywoodnun
hollywoodnun

This could be a huge turning point in our country.  It will be cases like these that will draw attention to the ethics and legal issues surrounding male circumcision.  If it ain't broke, why fix it?  When children are ill, parents are placed in the difficult decision to give consent to all kinds of medical procedures, but that is because of the real likelihood that doing nothing would result in serious injury or death of the child.  Circumcision is not like this at all!  In fact, even if all the medical benefits were true (and evidence from the vast majority of men who were never circumcised is evidence that these claims are untrue), it would still not be enough for me to choose for my son.  I don't consider myself to have made a choice not to circumcise.  I made the choice to ignore people who said it WAS my choice and decided my job is to protect HIS right to choose. 

jackoper
jackoper

Of course it is a violation of the child’s right (the human right) when over 3 feet of arteries, veins and capillaries and thousands of nerve endings (well above 10,000) are cut from the persons body.  The child (the human) has a right to all of his nerves, a right to all of his sensory system.  Of course cutting the parts off leads to sexual DYSFUNCTION.  The parts that are cut off are some of the most highly innervated parts of the human.

It is such an obvious human rights violation that the practice will soon end EVERYWHERE!

jackoper
jackoper

EVERY HUMAN (male and female) has the RIGHT (a human right) to reach adulthood with all of the tissue (particularly all of their erogenous tissue) that THEIR genetic code provides.

nocirc
nocirc

Both this boy's father and the judge demonstrate the harmful consequences of circumcision by their ability to deny the consequences of the harm done to their penises and the damage done to their psyches--damage that would allow them to inflict the same harm on a perfectly normal little boy. Personal preference, cultural norms, and/or religious affiliations do not trump the rights of a child to his own body and self-determination. Everyone else, hands and conjured up legal mandates off the boy's body. It belongs to him! His body, his rights!

Joanie Caldwell-Kenoshmeg
Joanie Caldwell-Kenoshmeg

WHAT? He NEEDS to be circumsized? God don't make mistakes. That is as crazy as the culture of some middle eastern countries that say young woman NEED to have their clitoris cut off when they hit puberty.

jackoper
jackoper

A legal system should not be able to forcibly mandate cutting off erogenous tissue from ANY human. The government requiring the cutting of nerves from his brain, shutting down part of the little boys sensory system and changing HIS future sexual function and sexual pleasure, without his consent, is just So wrong.

saricupcake
saricupcake

A baby dies every three days from this barbaric procedure. It is horribly traumatic for even a newborn... imagine multiplying that many times over because he is 3 and will remember. Even if it went perfectly and he didn't remember, it is completely unethical to amputate healthy tissue from an unconsenting minor. All the fictional reasons given to justify this have been disproven over and over. The foreskin has numerous important functions including protection from diseases (despite the fact that some doctors and hospital claim the opposite). Any doctor who performs this is blatantly ignoring their oath to do no harm and is torturing an mutilating children for profit. There is absolutely no ethical reason for this. He can decide on his own, at the age of consent, whether he would prefer to have cosmetic surgery. No one has the right to alter his body except himself.

waagtod1
waagtod1

@hairyarmpits  You are completely wrong. I got a circumcision at 19 because of infections that I had since childhood even though I was always scrupulously clean. Afterwards no infections. I have heard other problems from other people that  had the same late procedure and all were improved after circumcision. And you know what? It wasn't particularly painful and sex is better. Stop commenting when you have zero knowledge.

dwizzle2009
dwizzle2009

seriously, why is this still in my feed? this religious nutcase needs a copy of the bill of rights and a nice quiet room until she can coherently justify the concept of " altering the creator's image " and how it's not a sin. until then criminally insane life.

erynn_191
erynn_191

@nhale1955 It lowers the isntances of men who catch AIDs - but nowhere near as much as condoms do. Given condoms reduce sensitivity, and so does circumcision - both of these known facts - I put fdorward that circumcision cna actually INCREASE STD rates over time as men defvelop a reluctance to use condoms as they age because of the increasing effect of the sensation recuction (it's not jsut over, it gets worse over time). I also note that the USA has much higher rates of HIV than msot of europe, including in populations in the USA where a majority are circumcised - and the majority of europeans are not. This indicates circumcision is insufficient to truely effect the rate of STD transitiona nd in fact 'use a condom' is still far better advice than 'cut off a bit of the penis' the effect of which is too low to actually aid in unprotected sex. 
Also, a man himself should choose if he feels the risks of STDs are a big enough issue to have himself circumcised - not his parents. His parents don't know if he will sleep with 20 people unprotected by his 20th birthday or make it to 80 having only had sex with one partner. It is not a parent's right to dictate for a child the natur e of their sex life throughout their entier adulthood - which circumcision does.

Hugh_Intactive
Hugh_Intactive

@nhale1955 The causes of STDs and how to protect against them are well known (and the claim that circumcision offers any protection IS debatable - a large cohort study in Dunedin, New Zealand, followed men from birth for 32 years and found NO significant difference).
If one parent's consent for non-therapeutic, non-essential, un-self-consented surgery is not enough, why should two be, when, as you say, the boy and the man can choose for himself. He'll almost always choose to keep it all.
His chance of a "nasty infection" is very low, and he'll lose sensation to the head of his penis at whatever age it is done.

markymark2112
markymark2112


@arnaux When you are an adult the operation destroys sensitivity. It should be done when they are babies, end of story. My girlfriend and her friends tell me they would never date an uncircumcised man, and it does prevent transmittable diseases. 

markymark2112
markymark2112

@Ness Infowars wahahahaha. Yes the media is controlled by a few people who decide which lies we should hear but Infowars is a bunch of nutso crap.

albert37
albert37

@hollywoodnun How about the ethics and legal issues surrounding a child s right to life which surely trumps any concerning circumcision. You defend this child rights now and all who do so should also defend a childs right to life even more! You cannot give the mother right over life before birth and then change your mind afterward. The CHILD ALWAYS comes first !


I BTW am circumcised and am so thankful to my parents for it.


ABORTION IS MURDER !

markymark2112
markymark2112

Yes God makes mistakes, look at all the birth defects. There is no such thing as God and boys should be circumcised as babies.

bobbywobbiton
bobbywobbiton

@waagtod1 @hairyarmpits 

@waagtod1 @hairyarmpits Strange - my country (UK), which doesn't circumcise (other than Jews and Muslims, who are a minority in this country), doesn't have major issues with infections. It's amazing and sickening what excuses American greedy doctors will make to circumcise to increase their paychecks.

bobbywobbiton
bobbywobbiton

@waagtod1 @hairyarmpits Strange - my country (UK), which doesn't circumcise (other than Jews and Muslims, who are a minority in this country), doesn't have major issues with infections. It's amazing and sickening what excuses American greedy doctors will make to circumcise to increase their paychecks.

erynn_191
erynn_191

@charlashamhart @dialate No, it's an American cultural statement. It's not practiced necissarily by all jews and is not required by christinaity at all. It was implimented to prevent pre-marital sex and masterbation in boys by creating negetive association with their penis as infants, and it's largest proponant was Kelogg. The cerial guy. He popularised it. Do some research in to your history dude, before you start calling it religious.

erynn_191
erynn_191

@markymark2112 @dialate Why should this be done to babies? Babies cannot consent, babies wear nappies most of the time, babies cannot be adrequatly anethastised AND babies brains are forming and very, very suseptable to stress and harm. Babbies is the WORST POSSIBLE TIME for this kind of thing; morally, and medically.

erynn_191
erynn_191

@markymark2112 @arnaux It destorys far more tissue as a baby and gives far more long-lasting negetive effects. The fact those circumcised as a baby don't remnemebr it from before is irrelevent. IT has far longer to callos if done as a baby, it is also less precise, more painful, and more liekyl to get infected. There's all kinds of reasosn not to do it to a baby. The reaosn to do it to a baby are few: babies can't complain, andn  baby foreskins are really good in the cosmetic industries. Arguing they won't rememebr so it doesn't matter is akin to saying it doesn't matter is someone is drugged and raped as long as they don't remember how the pain effected them after. Although it DOES effect babies - we know circumcised babies react differenly to paint han their peers 6 months and 2 years after it happens. It probably perminently impacts infant development. IT's not ok to crush and rip off the msot sensitive part of a baby's body. The procedure is even less invaisive in adults whose foreksin has naturally seperated from the glans isntead of having a metal object soved under like pushing soemthing under the nail, lifitng it off, and ripping it out. In a man it's jsut some cutting. it's so much mroe to a baby. 

rebeccaspratling
rebeccaspratling

@markymark2112 @arnaux foreskin is fucktard repellent. So glad my son is normal and won't have to deal with dumb cunts like your gf. All of my normal intact brothers are married to real women. Not semen samplers like your worthless gf. My parents are awesome.

pavonharten
pavonharten

@markymark2112 @arnaux Funny how STD rates in America are still high, and we have a higher rate of HIV than Europe despite vouching for circumcision all the time. Results of surveys in favor of medical reasoning are bogus because they come from Africa, a largely poor continent with a sky-high HIV rate, so of course for THEM it makes sense to do it for health reasons (though still debatable as to how much it will help), but certainly not in a developed first world country like the US where we have at least decent healthcare, antibiotics, and condoms. In Europe, obviously no one complains about foreskins and in fact would probably be more likely to complain about the lack thereof. And I'm sorry, but your girlfriend and her friends are shallow and gravely misinformed.   

rg121
rg121

@albert37 @hollywoodnun  Curious: Why are you "thankful"? Your sexual feelings are diminished and you don't know it.

waagtod1
waagtod1

@bradsofafeather @waagtod1 @hairyarmpits 

I guess this is like when men tell women what is right for them, unwanted advice from someone without a clue. Brad, I don't need my foreskin to chew, or for anything else for that matter. It is like an appendix, OK if you have it but you don't miss it if you don't. 

charlashamhart
charlashamhart

@erynn_191 @charlashamhart @dialate  What you say about Kellog may indeed be true, however, perhaps you should check out Hebrew history in the Christian Bible before you say circumcision is not connected with religion.  And, by the way, I an not a DUDE.  I am a woman who chose to not circumcise my son 30 something yrs. ago.

erynn_191
erynn_191

@waagtod1 @bradsofafeather @hairyarmpits Just because you don't know what an apendix does doesn't mena you won't miss it. In fact people without them do seem to suffer adverse health; not so much as they would when the orghan went wrong but put simply... everyhtign in your body has a use. Even your HAIR has many uses. Cutting off the foreskin because you 'don't need it to chew' is ignorance. Of course it has fucntion. A great deal of sexual fucntion in both men and women. And while you may be contented without it, that is no reason at all to suggest removing it from other people. You decide for you, other people decide for them. Your body only.

waagtod
waagtod

@erynn_191 @waagtod1 @bradsofafeather @hairyarmpits  I did let myself decide for myself. hairyarm wants to ban circumcisions (ie; deciding what is best for others). What function is hair on your body? You can't just make nonsensical statements and not provide examples. You don't really make much sense,  I suppose if you were dyslexic your post would look like this but even then spell check IS available on most computers.

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