Ten Reasons to Vote Against Medical Marijuana in Florida

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5. Just because alcohol and tobacco are legal doesn't mean marijuana should be.
"Those are the last models we would want to use. We are stuck with those models. That's why we aren't arguing for prohibition even though [it would prevent] hundred of thousands of deaths a year. [Alcohol and tobacco industries] make up a multibillion-dollar machine. Why would we want to mimic that with marijuana? We would want to do something much better than that with marijuana."

4. Passing medical marijuana will lead to de facto legalization.
"It doesn't matter what the intent [of the amendment] is. The effect is going to be de facto legalization. The way it is written, the law, the way it is being [carried out] in other states is de facto legalization. I'm not going to have an argument about their intent; the effect is going to be de facto legalization. If you want to make it a medical model, we need to make it a medicine. Smoking a joint and growing it in your home is not what a medicine is."


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movingon
movingon

I am sorry, I live in Colorado and it is not all roses with medical and recreational use. Florida should take the time to do it right and better. I don't like stores that are called Candy shops with pot logos. My young kids have asked why don't we go to the candy store. Second of all we don't need so many of these stores as it is supposed to be only for those with medical conditions. Oh, but in Colorado many young people got medical cards with "back pain" etc...it was a joke...quite honestly they didn't need to make recreational use legal, pretty much anyone could get a medical ID card. The doctors were employed by the store that sells the stuff. The cartels have not gone away, they have increased in Colorado. They aren't just going to change occupations and give up on ney...that argument is silly and we are proving it here. In fact I think we are making it easier in some ways for them to grow and distribute. There have been deaths both directly and indirectly related to the use and involvement with marijuana here in Colorado since January. Children have been injured and killed due to some connection with marijuana. The Children's hospitals here have seen a huge increase in children coming in that have eaten it or been exposed to the level of toxicity. There are no laws to protect kids regarding this issue. In fact one the died was a kid who legally shouldn't have had it...but he did...Surprise! Sounds like we just added more fuel to the fire as if alcohol, prescription meds and illegal drugs weren't enough. Crime is on a up tick also in the Denver metro area (petty stuff like home invasions and burglary)-can't prove yet that is related but...motor vehicle fatalities are up 25% as well since January. I know of  a few have been related to marijuana and alcohol...who knows maybe people are just texting more since January. We do hear it all, I know well the person was mixing it with alcohol or this or they ate the whole cookie when they should have only had a bite. Seriously, like that matters, people mix meds and alcohol on a daily basis when they shouldn't...again, we added fuel to the fire that is already burning America to the ground. If people could truly self regulate and do no harm to others I could really care less what they do to themselves. But the fact is, it does effect other people and you can't deny that. Oh an please keep the stats about alcohol use...it is just as bad or worse, doesn't make it right though. their easy mo

movingon
movingon

I am sorry, I live in Colorado and it is not all roses with medical and recreational use.

wakeupandtakecontrol
wakeupandtakecontrol

Everyone should send him an email directly, and also one to his editor. I write this and see an advertisement for a "kava" bar on the side panel. There is so much hypocrisy and outright lies that we as citizens of the great state of Florida owe it to our families, our statesman, ourselves, and those that will come afterwards to make this man apologize for his lies and garner an apology from the newspaper itself who have obviously been bought by the Pharmaceutical industries and the DEA. Don't just complain in the comments let them know personally that this sort of trash is not what we as citizens expect from our newspapers. 

jerrycook
jerrycook

How much does the DEA & Big Pharma pay him..one way or the other..? 

themufflickband
themufflickband

TEN RESPONSES TO KEVIN SABET'S TEN REASONS 


 10. Actually if you read the article that Sanjay Gupta wrote that he believed Marijuana being a schedule 1 narcotic was based on scientific facts, and that he now knows that is not true. He also stated that he believed that "sometimes Marijuana is the only thing that works" in regards to medical use. I don't think anyone misunderstood his apology other than you. Also, if you've ever been to a dispensary, you'd realize that smoking is only one of the many delivery systems, and is hardly the most popular.


9. Addiction to Marijuana is not scientific fact, unless you can provide some links to the actual studies, which you can't...because they don't exist. Furthermore, one could easily say the same thing for Big Macs [one in six kids who try Big Macs will become addicted] and there are plenty of studies showing how Big Macs kill people everyday (Heart Disease is the #1 killer in America caused by obesity). EVENFURTHERmore, how many kids will be addicted to Oxycotin when they take that?


8. Making it harder for people to get the help they need isn't going to sway anyone FYI. Going to your doctor for a prescription, then picking it up from a dispensary is very different from enrolling in scientific programs...It would actually be easier to just move to Canada than what you're suggesting.


7. I'm not sure if anyone with a half-rational mind thinks that Marijuana legalization will "solve social justice", but I'll address this anyway... Legalization of Marijuana will NOT solve any issues of race or equality or discrimination. The reason being that these things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Social injustice has been around centuries before Marijuana's popularity. And it will continue, long after it has become legalized. The issue at hand, is that for no scientific reason whatsoever, Marijuana is illegal and sick people are suffering everyday because of uninformed, brainwashed individuals like yourself.


6. Marijuana is made up of 66 different cannabinoids, plus CBG's, CBC's, of course THC and others. Dr. Sanjay Gupta also wrote "While science has not yet shown the exact role or mechanism for all these various compounds, evidence is mounting that these compounds work better together than in isolation" This is called "the entourage effect". The beauty part of legalizing this plant, is you can grow it yourself. So if you're worried about not knowing what's exactly in the plant, your solution is to go "green" (pun intended) and grow it yourself.


5. Well if you're comparing Alcohol and Tobacco with Marijuana, then this one will be easy... that's like saying "Just because liquor and cigarettes are legal, doesn't mean milk should be legal too"... You're comparing apples to oranges. I'd actually argue that Caffeine is more harmful to your system than Marijuana. Legalizing marijuana will only introduce a product to the market that should have been there before Alcohol, Tobacco, and Caffeine. Just tally up the deaths caused by each, and get back to me.


4. Actually I would say rather than de facto legalization, a full recreational legalization is where we are headed. Medicinal use is only the stepping stone. Either way, your point seems like it's arguing FOR legalization...at least from my perspective. HYPOTHETICAL TIME!! Imagine for a minute that orange juice was illegal, NO - all orange altogether. But some people eat them or juice them, because it tastes great. Then they find out that oranges contain vitamins that boost your immune system and prevent scurvy (lol) but the stigma of oranges as harmful and evil is so ingrained in our society we cant just legalize it - we have to start slow, introduce the benefits, study it more, then fully legalize the oranges so we can all enjoy the benefits (but also the great taste!)


3. And your point here? Are you seriously trying to say that Oxycotin (opiate based aka synthetic heroin) is as harmful as Marijuana? Now you're just making yourself look dumb...


2. Again...are you saying that Tobacco products and Marijuana do the same amount of harm? Do you have anything to back that up? Studies? Clinicals? Anything? Lol JK I know you don't, because they don't exist.


1. See #3 - also check out the CDC website regarding opium and opiate based drugs. How many people do you think die every day from prescription opiate based drugs? I think you know where I'm going with this...

dantevida
dantevida topcommenter

In the last sentence he states:" We need to have marijuana-derived medications at pharmacies under direction of a doctor." Well hello, the current law prohibits that. This is what legalization of medical marijuana will do.

Lorraine Saunders
Lorraine Saunders

It should be legalized for all. Doctors are now going to be busier than ever due to newly insured people becoming patients. Making marijuana a medicine means even more people waiting to see doctors. As for the pill mill comparison, if doctors had not been intimidated into not prescribing for patients who legitimately needed pain meds the pill mills would have never been profitable. All the new laws have done is stop patients from being able to function in turn pushing more people toward disability when they actually could have worked.

chaseng
chaseng

If even half of these anecdotes are true, the federal government should be ashamed of itself for having blocked research for four decades.  When marijuana is finally legalized we'll see it labeled with the content of THC and CBD.  THC, according to ovshelming anecdotal evidence, helps against nausa, PTSD, pain and other ailments yet to be identified. CBD helps against epilepsy and probably Chrones, IBS and other ailments yet to be identified. 


President Nixon signed the Controlled Substances Act to punish those involved in the social turmoil of his time.  That's long past, and now we know that marijuana has medical benefits that will stay hidden until patients are allowed to have marijuana without fear of arrest. The federal government has demonstrated -- for 40 years -- that it puts politics and ideology above medicine. Let the people decide, not the politicians.

malcolmkyle16
malcolmkyle16 topcommenter

The following facts are indisputable:


* Our heavily militarized Police force is effectively laying siege to black neighborhoods. This is not happening with the same force and zeal in predominantly white neighborhoods. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HmgeCeGk--I


* Afro-Americans do not use drugs at a perceivable higher rate than white Americans.


* Afro-Americans are being stopped and searched at a far higher frequency than white Americans. 


* Afro-Americans represent just 12.2 % of the population but are 37% of those arrested for drug offenses. 


* Afro-Americans comprise 53% of drug convictions but are just 12.2% of the population. 


* Afro-Americans comprise 67 percent of all people imprisoned for drug offenses but are just 12.2% of the population. 


* One out of three young African American (ages 18 to 35) men are in prison or on some form of supervised release. 


* One in nine black children, as compared to one in 57 white children, have parents in prison.


* There are more African American men in prison than in college. That's a four times higher percentage of Black men in prison than South Africa at the height of apartheid. 


In July 2011 The NAACP passed an "historic" resolution, calling for an end to drug prohibition. Very soon, many other civic organizations, the entire faith community and all persons of good conscience will join the many who are already demanding that this horrific assault on the African-American community be halted immediately. What about YOU?


Whatever the exact dynamics involved, these racial disparities are a direct result of drug-prohibition and are quite clearly unacceptable. This dangerous and costly moronothon has done nothing but result in generations of incarcerated and disenfranchised Afro Americans. Any citizen not doing their utmost to help reverse this perverse injustice may duly hang their head in shame.

grsmaxwell
grsmaxwell

These arguments are so ridiculous.. Number 1: We wouldn't ask you to smoke Opium - that's because Opium is easy to overdose on and very dangerous..


Here's a reason to LEGALIZE Cannabis (marijuana): 1. It takes a multi BILLION dollar tax free industry out of the hands of criminal gangs who control it right now. They use that money for people trafficking, prostitution rings and other really nasty stuff. Legalization puts that money back into the community and away from gangs. That reason alone trumps all the arguments laid out here. Colorado has seen millions of $ in tax revenue in the first month that it legalized. That's millions of dollars that aren't filling the pockets of criminals.

Notbuyinglies
Notbuyinglies

Kevin Sabet is an assistant professor of psychiatry. Leaving the assistant part does sound better. This article should check their sources.

Nobody talks about how the prohibition started with a racist bigot named Harry Anslinger. If you still believe in prohibition, then you still think marijuana makes blacks look in a white man's eyes and think he's equal. It makes blacks and Hispanics kill people and makes white women get in bed with black men. And they wonder why racism is still an issue..

Sabet, with a phd in social policy does not make an expert in this subject matter. He's just another self proclaimed expert. Read this article

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/5-biggest-lies-anti-pot-propagandist-kevin-sabet?page=0%2C0

It debunks this "reefer madness" trash of an article written by a real expert.

larcara
larcara

There are plenty of international studies relating to medical cannabis. You won't win this illogical argument. People won't stand by and suffer when there is an alternative. Do your research."Two things are infinite : the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein.

larcara
larcara

I can't believe this hogwash. Take it from

A family who lives with a TERMINAL child who needs this MEDICINE. You must think the average person is an idiot. You immediately confuse medical legalization with recreational. How does a terminal child taking a life saving medicine increase abuse!? And, even if it did, it's not a logical reason to withhold medicine from someone who needs it. Have you met Sanjay Gupta? Some of us have! We also met Charlotte, the Figi family, and the Stanley brothers-all featured in both his specials. He features Charlotte because he believes we need this medicine! The trials you speak of? Your ignorance shows here too. My niece was accepted into such a trial (what about those dying kids who weren't by the way?) She can't travel, but would have to get to NYC every three weeks. The cost of the trip, travel, hotels, etc is IMPOSSIBLE for a family who has been financially devastated by the cost of pharmaceuticals. And, the trial cost? $2,000+++ each month. Out of pocket. I could go on and on. You clearly have your hands in some pocket to try to pull this off. You may fool some, but not families living this reality. Shame on you.

larcara
larcara

I can't believe this hogwash. Take it from

A family who lives with a TERMINAL child who needs this MEDICINE. You must think the average person is zn idiot. You immediately confuse medical legalization with recreational. How foes a terminal child taking a life saving medicine increase abuse! And, even if it did, it's not a logical reason to withhold medicine from someone who needs it. The trials you speak of? Your ignorance shoes here too. My niece was accepted into such a trial (what about those dying kids who weren't by the way?) She can't travel, but would have to get to NYC every three weeks. The cost if the trip, travel, hotels, etc is IMPOSSIBLE for a family who has been financially devastated by the cost of pharmaceuticals. And, the trial cost? $2,000+++ each month. Out of pocket. I could go on and on. You clearly have your hands in some pocket to try to pull this off. You may fool some, but not families living this reality. Shame on you.

Jeff Weeks
Jeff Weeks

This is one of the dumbest views on pot I have seen. I'd rather have pot mills than pill mills and kids are marketed to by the biggest pharmaceutical companies By targeting their parents to get their kids on some drug to deal with them instead of being parents. Everyone and their mother are prescribed some sort of bullshit pill that has never been needs before. The food we eat is practically poison the water we drink is riddled with toxins and you are saying all this is better than pot. You are dumb as fuck. This plant could give back to the people. Painkillers have no positive medicinal properties. Numbing pain is not a medical wonder that fixes anything it just kills the pain and causes millions of people to be addicted to a pill that covers up the pain with distracting euphoria kinda like the United States government covers up a tragedy. These pain killers destroy people body's and corrupts their mind. I'd rather smoke a plant that causes no damage and In fact helps pain, cures cancer, helps people eat and sleep, grows naturally no mods, no bullshit, and if ingested help people with crohn disease stomach ulcers bad liver parasites. What else on earth can cover this wide range of ailments and not cause any of damage. There is always people that will abuse anything and that should not ruin such an amazing opportunity for everyone else. Alcohol and tobacco companies make billions if not trillions by killing people and you are saying that is ok and weed is bad and shouldn't be allowed to prosper. Again go fuck yourself. People like you that write shit like this and have dumb people believe you are ruining this world. Shut your mouth and chop off your fingers.

moore_r_2000
moore_r_2000

This is a riot. Mr Sabet and his SAM program are a shill for big pharma. His information is out dated and misleading he's a hack.

He will not debate anyone in the legalization movement and doesn't allow for conflicting views on his web page or facebook page.
What are this guys credentials again? I'd like someone to research them.

uvegotmail
uvegotmail

Smoking is only one of many delivery systems for cannabis. What works for some people may not work for others. There is no legitimate argument left for the prohibitionists. Cannabis works wonders for many maladies from menstrual cramps to simple insomnia to cancer. This is a silly argument anyway since a free people have the right to consume what ever product works for their symptoms, the government certainly has no place there.

daxs
daxs

LOL of course he is against this :) you would too if you have stock in drug testing company's/private prison, and the big one pharmaceutical company's

nickcruz429
nickcruz429

First of all, fuck Dr Sanjay Gupta and his profession. WHO IN THE FUCK CARES THAT HE CHANGED HIS OPINION ON MARIJUANA? It's not new to us and he's probably doing this to get big pharma behind the marijuana industry to turn in into a FDA approved drug so they can market it

Dan K. Alexander
Dan K. Alexander

The feds have been prescribing cannabis for over 30 years. The FDA has stonewalled the rescheduling of cannabis (THC) from schedule 1 to S2 because - they argue - that "cannabis has no medical value." People know that this is BS. People also know that alcohol (for which Patrick Kennedy's family obtained their fortune during alcohol prohibition) is way more harmful and addictive than cannabis. So, the public (or 70%) is exactly right to support making medical cannabis a legal treatment in Florida. When enough states pass such a law the Feds and the FDA will have no choice but to acknowledge that cannabis not only has medical benefits but is also not as harmful as alcohol and shouldn't be treated (legally) as such. Sabet is protecting his job and nothing else. The DEA and local law enforcement are against Amendment #2 passing because of how their budgets would be impacted. Asshats like this Sabet guy are stoking fear out of an over inflated sense of self-preservation. If you vote against medical cannabis you are doing so because you have been manipulated by misinformation and fear. And that's the gospel truth.

labelletrawler
labelletrawler

More REEFER MADNESS from the Conservative Right which is always wrong on everything. 

kirkmuse
kirkmuse

Kevin Sabet is a professional drug war cheerleader. That's his job. His only job. The re-legalization of cannabis will lead to the unemployment of Kevin Sabet. And Kevin Sabet knows it.

wakeupandtakecontrol
wakeupandtakecontrol

When I clicked the link to write him a letter, there were advertisements for "pill mill" pain management clinics...There is a complete lack of integrity from this institution!

larcara
larcara

You bet! This is our reality but because our State leaders keep regurgitating the same crap like this, we can't access life saving medicine.

larcara
larcara

I'm sure his credentials don't match the neurologists, cancer researchers and doctors and thousands of others who have researched this AROUND the world. I'm not sure how he sleeps at night spewing this garbage when lives are at stake!

larcara
larcara

In my niece's case, it would be an oil taken orally. And no, there are NOT other alternatives-or we would have tried them.

winsomelosesome
winsomelosesome topcommenter

@kirkmuse "Sabet -- director of the drug policy institute at the University of Florida and a professor at the college of medicine there too "

Maybe it is but it doesn't look like his only job.

nukeangel
nukeangel

@winsomelosesome @labelletrawler Are you referring to "conservative right" as name calling?  and there is no purpose in refuting this guy's points as they've already been refuted numerous times and anyone with an internet connection and google can do the research.

These are the same BS excuses that have been keeping marijuana illegal.  I'm not going to go through and refute all of the points for you as that would rob you of the joy of doing your own research. 

larcara
larcara

It's clear you impress yourself, but you'd change your tune if you lived ten minutes of our reality. The only thing we can agree on, mostly because we live this and you just anonymously comment on it to feel good, is that we should not generalize or name call. The Senators we have met with and who now support us differ in their political affiliation; they share a common bond in ethics, intelligence, and their willingness to change their stance once meeting with us and doing their research.

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