Cat-astrophe!: Pompano Opts to Keep Euthanizing Feral Cats

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Pompano Beach has a policy of euthanizing unadoptable feral cats. On Tuesday night, commissioners considered an ordinance that would change that to an alternative policy of Trap, Neuter, Return (TNR) -- a system in which cats are captured, sterilized, and then released where they were found.

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Ultimately, though, they declined to adopt it, despite pressure from a room full of passionate cat people, including one woman wearing a "Feral Cat Mafia" T-shirt.

In a meeting that ran late -- just clearing midnight -- commissioners listened to presentations from those both for and against the ordinance, then to audience members.

Alley Cat Allies attorney Will Gomaa spoke first, arguing that TNR would benefit the community and is effective population control. "This would be a way to get more people engaged in spaying and neutering cats," said Gomaa. "If people are going to invest time, money, and effort, more people are going to do it if they know those cats are not going to be impounded at a later date."

He pointed to a number of university studies that show cats who live in wild colonies can have "healthy lives" and as "equally low instances of debilitating conditions" as pet cats.

On the other side, Animal Control Officer David Aycock countered with graphic photos of cat life on the streets, a reality that "cute pictures in TNR literature" fail to convey, he said.

"Cats obtain all types of injuries, are killed by traffic, mauled by dogs, poisoned, and shot by people," said Aycock. "I came here to make a difference." He also named feral cats' threat to wildlife and the public health risks as reasons to kill the proposal. A reference to the potential increased risk of suicide from toxoplasmosis (a parasitic disease for which cats serve as the main hosts) drew chuckles from the crowd.

Plus, "Pompano Beach already allows for managed cat colonies," he added.

However, by "managed" he meant "contained" in a backyard enclosed possibly by an "electric fence" -- not the sort of contained-but-free-to-roam-the-block cats one usually associates with a colony.

One pro-cat audience member explained that the cat lovers who typically volunteer to trap and sterilize cats -- there are some in every neighborhood -- are scared to do so in Pompano because they fear penalties for interfering with the management plan. This contributes to cat overpopulation.

"We all want to decrease the cat population," said one of the proposal's supporters. "The detractors say TNR doesn't work. I say let us show you... We come with money, resources, and volunteers."

Not surprisingly, passions and hyperbole continued to run high in statements from the crowd. One woman called upon the commission to resist the "popularity contest," referring to all the TNR advocates who showed up to support the ordinance, and urged them to be brave in spite of the community cat supporters' united front.

In the end, commissioners felt the proposed ordinance advocates overreached. For instance, it offered up some bizarre changes like eliminating animal control's ability to contend with stray feral cats or complaints, essentially deregulating cat population growth and turning the problem over to nonprofits and volunteers, who -- let's face it -- have an uncomfortable record of hoarding cats.

"You cannot ask elected officials to turn their city into a cat colony!" cried commissioner Barry Dockswell.

Mayor Lamar Fisher took the most measured approach: "I'd like to have staff look at those [Florida] counties and cities" that are experimenting with TNR, he said. Those counties include Brevard, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward. (Pompano is in Broward, but this ordinance, if it had passed, would have gone into effect in the city immediately, while the efforts on the county level could take years.)

"I don't know why we can't come to some meeting of the minds," he continued. "Maybe I'm utopian. I don't know."




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Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

Licensing and laws do nothing to curb the problem. If cats are required to be licensed then cat-lickers just stop putting collars on their cats, as they did by me. And they won't even bother getting them micro-chipped, especially not that They want absolutely nothing that can hold them legally accountable for the actions of their cats. We're not talking about the topmost responsible citizens of the world. They don't want that responsibility of what their cat has done coming back on them. If they had even one iota of a sense of responsibility and respect for all other lives on this planet we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

I found something that DOES work, works well, and works fast (relative to the years it takes trying to educate deceitful and lying cat-lickers that accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING). Where I live cat-lickers have learned that _ALL_ cats, stray and feral, collared or not, ear-tipped or not (because TNR con-artists now just clip cats' ears only, WITHOUT sterilizing or vaccinating them, to protect their hoarded cats from being trapped and euthanized), _ALL_ their cats are shot on sight and buried whenever found away from supervised confinement.

The ONLY thing that works is destroying any of their cats found outdoors off their property. They either learn to stop getting more cats that die under the wheels of cars or from animal attacks, or they finally learn how to be a responsible pet owner, respectful neighbor, and learn to keep their invasive species animal under confined supervision, as it should be. Win win win all around.

You can't train a cat to stay home but I found that, in time, you CAN train a cat-owner into being a responsible pet-owner and a respectable neighbor. Most of them are so phenomenally stupid, disrespectful, and criminally irresponsible though that you have to make at least 12-15 of their cats permanently disappear before they even start to figure out what they've been doing wrong all during their sorry, useless, and pathetic lives.  (Though the ones by me who were adopting "barn cats" from "barn-cat programs" were uniquely cretinized and lobotomized. I had to shoot and bury many hundreds of their cats before they started to learn.)

If you live where its not legal to use firearms then check into 700-1200fps air-rifles and pointed vermin-pellets. Many of the new ones come with their own sound-suppressor designs built-in, specifically designed for shooting vermin cats in urban areas, the demand is that great. Failing that, then there's always the SSS and TDSS Cat Management Programs that are exploding in popularity worldwide. Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up; or Trap, Drown, Shovel, & Shut-Up. Both methods are legal on every square foot of this earth. No local laws were violated if it never happened. (Where cats have already learned to evade all trapping methods, then inexpensive generic acetaminophen (overseas paracetamol) pain-relievers are a more species-specific vermin poison. But you really need to dispose of that cat safely so that wildlife won't die from the diseases cats spread even after their death.)

I don't see anyone dumping cats where I live anymore. They don't even adopt more than can be kept under lock & key 24/7. When driving through the area I don't see even one cat on anyone's doorsteps anymore. I always keep an eye out to see if there are more free-roaming cats that will have to be shot. And if I'll have to leave fish-oil trails on all the roadsides again, leading right to my IR surveillance system and laser-sighted rifle. (You can read some of the most effective methods I invented to rid my lands of hundreds of these vermin in only two seasons, posted here: americanhunter.org/blogs/arkansas-will-trap-feral-cats  The eradication so complete and effective that cats are non-existent from my area for over 3 years now. Not seen a one.

Leaving ANY of their invasive species cats outside in my area means certain death for that cat, their further existence can be counted in hours. You'd think everyone else could learn from this simple lesson. The quickest way to solve an unwanted animal and irresponsible pet-owner problem is to let everyone know that you will quickly and humanely destroy every last one of their unwanted, uncared-for, or unsupervised animals for them. They either grow up fast or, far more plausible, dump their animals elsewhere to become someone else's problem.

You just can't be an enabler of criminally irresponsible spineless and heartless idiots -- or they remain that way. (At least where you live, anyway.)

IF THERE ARE NOT DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE IRREVERSIBLE CONSEQUENCES TO THEIR CRIMINALLY-NEGLIGENT AND CRIMINALLY-IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIORS AND VALUES THEN THEY LEARN ABSOLUTELY *NOTHING*.

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

Poisons may also be used on any species that has been listed as a "vermin". Surprisingly, stray cats have been listed as "vermin" in the USA since the early 1900's.

However, poison should only be used as a very last-resort. Unfortunately for most people, they live where there are firearms laws and they cannot use the method that is the most effective and most humane. (Dispatched hundreds of these destructive animals on my own lands with an accurate .22 with a laser-sight and good scope. Every last one expired in under 3 seconds, most often less than 1 second, not even enough time to make a sound. That's even more humane than what animal shelters and vets do. When you love animals and respect animals' lives as much as I do, even an invasive species, one bred by humans, you still do everything in your power to make sure an animal does not suffer.) And then there's the problem with cats being able to out-adapt to any trapping methods used. Trapping is useless in those areas where the adults have already taught their offspring to evade traps. No trapping program in the world has been able to catch up to cats' breeding rates and the rates at which criminally-irresponsible cat-lickers let more be born and dumped outdoors.

In the case of poisons, then people have to weigh the amount of inhumanity to animals. Is a cat, that is going to suffer to death for weeks and months from parasites eating it from the inside out, being treated more humane than it dying in only a couple days from an effective poison?

And what about all the inhumane suffering of all the animals that cats destroy by gutting them alive and skinning them alive; then keeping that animal alive as long as possible so its screeching, twitching, and writhing to death will entertain the cat as long as possible. When you ask a cat-licker to go to a pet-store and buy canaries and hamsters to throw at their cats instead, they never answer my question of "Is it because it's just cheaper to use our wildlife for this purpose of yours to entertain your cats INHUMANELY for your own selfish reasons?" Given all options, any invasive species cat dying from an effective poison is far far more humane than the hundreds and thousands of far more valuable native animals that are tortured to death from the deadly and inhumane poison that cat-lickers freely and irresponsibly spread on all the lands -- that poison commonly known as "the stray cat".

Though ideally, you really need to destroy these vermin cats in a clean and hygienic manner where you can retrieve and dispose of that useless cat carcass as safely as possible, so they cannot go on to kill even more valuable native wildlife even after their deaths from all the deadly diseases that cats harbor today.

PLEASE dispose of them safely, responsibly, and hygienically as possible (i.e. no disease-filled shotgun splatter, the tool of choice in the past, cleanly with a rifle is best). Wear gloves while doing so to protect yourself as well. After the last cat is gone incinerate or bury those gloves too.

I tried feeding one of the shot-dead cats on my lands to the last few starving predators (almost all the rest of my larger native wildlife starved to death from cats destroying all their food sources). Thinking that for once these invasive-species cats could give back for what they had destroyed and wasted during their existence -- giving the remainder of the starved-out predators a much needed protein boost. Those native animals that I was trying to help promptly died from some disease in that cat-meat. Something in that cat was able to kill the native predators (2 adults, 3 offspring they had while under my care). Cats truly are complete and total wastes of flesh. They can't even be used to feed wild animals safely. Leaving any of these invasive-species cats out in nature, alive OR dead, is no better than intentionally poisoning your native wildlife to death.

schardls2
schardls2

The problems macawluver lists could just as easily have been caused by stray dogs, racoons, rats, etc. Rats are always found around parks, beaches, and urban areas because of the food waste people leave behind. 

macawluver
macawluver

This is what happens with the feral cat issue. An 8 year old girl in Northern CA contracted rabies from a feral cat on the school grounds. Children in LA were becoming ill at their day care center and it was traced to the feral cat colony using the sandbox those children played in. Even beachgoers in Miami contracted hookworms from a nearby feral cat colony. Now in Florida, two women expose for the simple thing of feeding cats. Think of your children, your pets, do you really want to expose them to rabies, hookworms, etc.? http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/breaking-news/women-exposed-to-rabies-after-feeding-stray-cat-in/nYk37/

gmc226
gmc226

and people wouldn't be hoarding cats if you weren't killing them in the 1st place.  Would you allow stray children to roam free if you knew that they would be slaughtered?  You may not feel towards cats as you do towards your own children but many people do.  

You'd have to have had cats growing up and come to know and understand and love them.  At the end of the day cats are really no different than us.  Like children, if they are in a positive loving environment they blossom, they communicate with us, they give, they love, they protect and sometimes they need.   People whom understand them are able to communicate with them, understand their fear of us, of being kidnapped and killed.  Would you allow someone to treat your child the way you are treating ferals and stray cats?  People hoard them to hopefully protect them from YOU Pompano Beach.  

Does it get out of control, overwhelming, unmanageable?  Im sure that it does.  But does that mean you are going to let the next kitty die in the hands of Animal Control or a nasty neighbor?  No.  This is a war.  We are in wartime.  You're demonizing and killing cats is the equivalent of doing so to this country's children.  Would you expect people to look the other way and not act in that case?  If so what kind of people would they be?   They'd be the equivalent of Nazis.  And you as a county, a city, Pampano Beach, you are the equivalent of Nazi Germany, Lucifer, nothing less than pure evil.   


mtruji9235
mtruji9235

Please tell me how murdering this poor pup is the right thing to do. Remember some Sub-Human dumped her. She sure doesn't look injured or sick to me. Remember the definition of euthanasia  is " the act or practice of killing someone who is very sick or injured in order to prevent any more suffering"  

She would have been murdered at a shelter... 


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katlina
katlina

So since trap and kill has been so successful, why not stick with it. I have been managing colonies for years and have not found the problems that this animal control person speaks of. These cats are no more prone to issues than the average pet cat. Most progressive cities are using TNR because it works. It reduces the overpopulation and decreases the intake as well taxpayers paying for killing these cats. If there is a humane alternative that taxpayers does not have to pay for then you should at least give it a chance. Shameful.

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

We have been murdering (lets call it what it is) cats and dogs for over 100 years. It does not work, it is did we surely would have solved the problem already but instead we have more and more animals being murdered. Not to mention the amount of tax dollars spent to have these murdered. Spay/neuter is less expensive and saves lives.

lblevy1228
lblevy1228

The only solution to feline overpopulation is Trap/Neuter/Release. It is cost effective and it works. Killing strays and ferals does not solve the problem. In 2000, our neighborhood neutered 11 feral cats. Three are still with us and we have had no new strays and no rodents in 13 years. It was easy, it was inexpensive and it works.

nomad237
nomad237

Why is Killing so easy for these people. Sorry, i believe there is enough.

people who want to help is what happens with TNR. i personally do my town and a few surrounding towns , all with the blessing of the ACO's. It works.

More proof from an "Official"


Housing Authority of the City of Willimantic

49 West Avenue, P.O. Box 606

Willimantic, CT  06226

June 7, 2013

SUBJECT: Humanely Controlling Cat Populations

To Whom It May Concern:

When I first began work as the Executive Director of the Willimantic Housing Authority, over twenty years ago, many of our properties were home to large cat populations.  Some of the cats were strays and some had been born wild (feral).  Still others were actually the “secret” pets of tenants, because keeping cats and dogs was not allowed on Housing Authority property.   Many of these stray and feral cats were undernourished, suffering from various ailments, and continually breeding, resulting in an ever growing population of unwanted and uncared for felines.

The problem was not easy to deal with.  There was no local or regional public cat shelter and the humane society and private “no kill” shelters were generally always full to capacity with cats waiting for adoption.  It was clear to us that no single program could deal with this increasingly serious situation, so the Housing Authority adopted a multifaceted approach to limiting the size and improving the health of the felines living on our property.  Our first step was to begin gaining some control over the welfare of the cats that were actually owned by our tenants, but unreported due to our prohibition on pets.  We dealt with this by adopting a pet policy that allowed tenants to keep pet cats, with the requirement that they be registered with the Authority, be spayed and/or neutered, and have all their required shots.  This went a long way to improving the health and living conditions and reducing the birth rate of these formerly “illegal” kitties.

Our next step was to begin a program of live-trapping the feral and stray cats on our properties, having them spayed or neutered, giving them appropriate inoculations and health care and releasing them back where we had caught them.  This type of trap, spay/neuter, and release program was reported to have very good results in controlling outside cat populations and our experience with it was definitely positive.  Initially we had a continuous supply of cats to deal with, but as we progressed we found the number of litters of kittens turning up in odd places around our property declined dramatically and the adult cat population stabilized at a reasonable level. 

We realized that many of our tenants were not following our rules about cats simply because they could not afford the high costs of receiving veterinary care for their animals.  We therefore worked with the local group C.A.T.S. Northeast and established a low cost spay/neuter/inoculate program in which any of our tenants could participate.  We found this to work quite well, at a relatively modest cost to the Authority.  The number of litters of kittens “available to good homes” for free was significantly reduced and the health of the tenant cat population improved.

This series of common sense solutions has been remarkably successful in reducing the feral cat population to manageable proportions and in improving the health and living conditions of the cats owned by our residents.  It does still remain necessary to periodically trap cats on our properties, because we do not exist in a vacuum and new cats sometimes wander in or are discarded on our property by irresponsible humans.  None-the-less, the results have been so dramatic that without any hesitation I would recommend the adoption of these policies by any municipality, housing complex, or neighborhood group that suffers from an “out of control” cat population.

Michael J. Westerfield

Executive Director

Chrissie Carlisle
Chrissie Carlisle

Taking responsibility at this point needs to be a community effort. Education and awareness are key. Instead of making excuses and resort to killing, our community ought to make an effort! It's easy to spay/neuter up to four animals per person, for only $10 each through the Spot Program. Furthermore, Trap, Neuter and Return is a humane solution, whereby the cats can live outside where they prefer, and effectively keep the Pompano rat population at bay. Although, I have no husband, I support three children alone, and still managed to rescue four cats and a dog. I too am highly allergic to cats, however, this hasn't affected my SENSE of compassion for any ANIMAL! I ♥ u, Grumpy Cat!

Brian Bartlett
Brian Bartlett

We have allot of cats in downtown Delray, if someone would be able to catch and take care of them I say go for it. My dog just wants to play with them..

Diane767
Diane767

Not surprised as most men seem to have an inherent hatred for cats....probably because women love them so much.  Grow up guys and resolve your mother issues with therapy.

Mindy Moffatt
Mindy Moffatt

When you ask someone who doesn’t like cats what their opinions of feral cats are, of course you are going to get a response as Mr. Aycock has stated which clearly shows his ignorance when it comes to cat colonies that are cared for properly and effectively. How sad that this person is being paid by taxpayer dollars and has no sense of understanding or compassion to spare life but would rather put an animal to death rather than a life saving alternative. (Does the taxpayers know that this actually costs them MORE money by killing at the shelter?) As for the graphic photos, there are graphic photos of numerous animals (ducks, squirrels, dogs, etc…) who suffer on the streets due to being run over, abused, etc… Showing these photos as a way to imply that these cats are better off killed (not euthanized) at county shelters who are paid by taxpayer dollars is an insult to the county and community and anyone who supports this “frame of mind” should not be an advocate, animal control officer or be able to have a “voice” in the protection of these animals. Killing them, is barbaric. TNR not only is the most effective way , it is the most responsible way and the most compassionate way to help the cats who suffer. Not because they reside on the street, but because the human “kind” want to dispose of them as if they mean nothing. Not true. There is a force to be reckoned with and there are many devoted advocates and animal lovers who help them daily/nightly to keep them alive, to ensure they no longer reproduce and add to the population. More good is done by TNR than trap & kill. Has Pompano Beach heard of No Kill strategies? Does the county sell these dead cats to universities for research and end up profiting? In the end, commissioners felt the proposed ordinance advocates overreached. For instance, it offered up some bizarre changes like eliminating animal control's ability to contend with stray cats or complaints, essentially deregulating cat population growth and turning the problem over to nonprofits and volunteers, who -- let's face it -- have an uncomfortable record of hoarding cats Now I will address the above paragraph in the article, in reference to eliminating animal control’s ability to contend with stray cats or complaints; county shelters are always complaining they don’t have enough help, they need more volunteers, they want to save more lives, etc… so now that local advocates and organizations are coming together to work on saving more lives and build a TNR community effort so that the county has HELP, and now this is considered “bizarre”? This “problem” that is noted has a solution, not a new solution but a solution that has been implemented in many cities/states and guess what? IT WORKS!!!!! Yes, actual responsible citizens who care and have compassion spend their time trapping, neutering, and caring for these cats. The # of cats in the communities has lessened because of TNR, because of the devoted people who spend their time, their money helping the cats who cannot help themselves and are at our mercy and how does the city chose to respond? By continuing to kill? In reference to the “uncomfortable record of hoarding cats”, where is this info coming from? How can you hoard feral cats when you are managing them by fixing them so they don’t continue to reproduce, the cats were born on the streets, that is their home, they have a caretaker, they are being cared for by professionals & for someone to insinuate that these people are hoarders is ridiculous and shows the lack of understanding and empathy. These organizations are already being responsible and doing heroic things for these cats and all they are asking for is for the city to jump on board so things can improve. They are not asking you to work harder as they are already doing the hard work and will continue too but just need the city to support, assist, and not stand in the way. Last month, 1320 cats were brought into animal services, 1012 were killed. Mr. Barry Dockswell, we are not asking the city to turn into a cat colony, we are asking the city to stop killing cats and work with responsible organizations who will in turn, turn the city into a reputable city who shows compassion and care for even those who cannot vote.

Barbara Gaillard
Barbara Gaillard

I'm from a family of cat lovers. My sister currently has 9 cats. Why? Because she found a feral family living under her shed. She lives in Tampa, FL and was required to sign a paper stating she would be responsible for every cat she had spayed or neutered. To me this is a disincentive to helpfully keeping these cats from reproducing. I'm ambivalent due to the issue of birds. Not all feral cats can be transitioned to the indoors. I know this is a problem but I wonder how cats compare to other predators. My opinion (not that you asked) ... spay and neuter all cats and dogs that are not being bred. Don't buy exotic animals (snakes, snails, fish, etc.) that will destabilize our habitats if they escape. We don't need to have everything we want, but we do need to protect everything we have.

Wayne Rioux
Wayne Rioux

We have several feral cats at our yacht basin in Pompano....they are a rodent deterent....they have been around for years and have never bothered the boat owners....I would rather see them than a rat on my sailboat....

SethPlatt
SethPlatt topcommenter

Feral cats are non native invasive species which have harmful impacts on native fauna. 

Cats kill 2.4 billion birds and 12 billion mammals every year in US alone
Outdoor cats are the single greatest source of human-caused mortality for birds and mammals
- the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) January 2013.

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

The City of Sunny Isles Beach has a very successful spay/neuter program. We also get the adoptable cats homes. You know the ones SUB-HUMANS leave behind once they move. 


I too am in FULL support or spay/neuter programs for humans. Maybe we could take them to be euthanized

 

ashleenmb1
ashleenmb1

I would like to see Jennifer and Joel sterilized, but not re-released. They might infect the community with stupidity and whininess.

eslaporte
eslaporte

@Nature_Advocate Your real name is Jim of Texas -- and I can't help but think that you could be violent to people. It is known that those that abuse animals also, well...

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

In case you are curious -- the term that I use of "cat licker" is justifiably and accurately gleaned from the growing fad of people who are obsessed with cats and want to do everything possible to make their cats feel good, as naturally as possible, at the expense of all that is reasonable and sane.

They are now licking their cats clean.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9xmiOxsTWg

Since they see a cat fighting back from being washed in water as animal abuse, but the cat not fighting if they use their tongues, they use their tongues instead to wash their cats.

It's just another one of the many aberrant and mentally-ill behaviors of "cat lickers".

I cannot, in all honesty, EVER use the term "cat lover" again to describe these heartless and spineless cretins. People who love cats do not throw them under the wheels of moving cars, let them lap-up antifreeze in a gutter, force them to attack one another to fight for territory (no different than people who run dog-fight rings and are just as criminal of animal abuse), or let them be attacked by other animals by letting them roam free. "Cat Lover" is an extremely oxymoronic label. "Cat Licker" is the only one that accurately works today.

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

I also found a perfectly 100% natural solution for those who don't want to take more direct and more effective measures against free-roaming invasive species cats. Anyone who has criminally irresponsible cat-lickers in their area need only plant lilies on their properties. (Must be from the Lilium species, not just with "Lily" in the common name, see notes.) Cat-lickers always want their more responsible neighbors to grow plants around the perimeter of their properties that will repel their cats for them (from the cat-owners' own criminally negligent and criminally irresponsible behaviors and values). Well now you can brighten up your yard AND repel cats naturally! -- PERMANENTLY

(WARNING: If these plants are not native to your region don't plant these if they cannot be contained, or risk introducing yet another potentially harmful invasive species!)

Google for: lily toxicity cats

It has been reported that a cat even licking a little bit of Lily pollen from their fur will be fatal in short order. A cat even drinking some of the water in which a bunch of lilies has been kept is also fatal to them.

Everyone happy! You get to have the kinds of plants that you want, they get to have the kind of pets that they want -- if they take care of it like any responsible grown-up would. Or are cat-lickers now going to demand that you can't plant flowers on your own property? That would be their next and usual move, wouldn't it.

A perfectly natural solution to an invasive species animal that didn't evolve with Lilium species around. Plus it's a good incentive plan for cat-lickers to finally educate themselves all about ecology, native species, and evolution. :-)


Doing a little research on ASPCA's toxic plants lists (Family: Liliaceae).

Lilies (Lilium species) that are deadly toxic to cats ONLY, in even small quantities (even the pollen will do):

Common Name | Scientific Name

Asian Lily (Asiatic Lily) | Lilium asiatica

Easter Lily | Lilium longiflorum

Red Lily | Lilium umbellatum

Rubrum Lily ** | Lilium speciosum cultivar

Stargazer Lily ** |  Lilium orientalis

Tiger Lily ** | Lilium tigrinum

Wood Lily | Lilium umbellatum

(not of the Lilium species)

Orange Day Lily | Hemerocallis graminea

( ** see notes below)

Lilies (Lilium species) that may be toxic to dogs if the dog ingests enough:

NONE!


Be sure they are from the Liliacea Family, has "Lilium" on the plant label or are common N. American Day Lilies. Many plants with "Lily" in the common-name are not of the "Lilium" species, and are in fact toxic to other species of animals besides cats. Double check. On further investigation I also found out that all plant-parts, the blossoms and pollen being the most toxic, if harvested and dried (for year-round use) are just as deadly toxic to cats (if not more-so because of the unknown toxin being concentrated), and the drying makes them even more palatable to cats. What a great mulch for gardens! (Or a ground-up additive for a special outdoor can of tuna.)

** There have been some anecdotal reports of some free-roaming cats that have spent many years around some of these particular species of plants and still survived. So it is best to harvest, dry, and grind-up the plants and mix them into any appropriate bait-foods to be most effective.

eslaporte
eslaporte

@macawluver This justifies witch-hunting cats and killing them as the only solution? Nope - it's cruel and unethical science to suggest that killing cats -- all feral cats -- is the solution.

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@gmc226 

People who let cats roam free should also be investigated by Family-Services & Social-Services if they have any children. If people see their cats as family members, and then let them roam free to be hit by cars, lap up antifreeze in gutters, or get killed by animal attacks; this does not bode well for them being responsible for the lives of others.

Are they going to tell their toddlers to go play in the freeway and then blame the cars for their children's deaths too?

Not long ago a toddler died in a waterway after the parents let it wander off on its own, the parents blamed the water.

No doubt their very own children are just as expendable as their "family" cats.

Someone who lets cats roam free are showing signs of being incapable of responsibly taking care of ANY other lives. They need to be investigated for all facets of their lives. Children need to be removed from the homes of any and all such criminally-negligent and criminally-irresponsible caretakers for the children's own safety.

On top of that, they don't even care about the safety and well being of anyone else in the world. Do you know how many fatalities and lifelong debilitating injuries have been caused by vehicular accidents from people trying to avoid hitting a free-roaming cat? There needs to be a new bumper-sticker: "FLATTEN A CAT -- SAVE A LOVING FAMILY OF 4"

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@mtruji9235 

This psychotic and delusional "No-Kill" religion (conceived of, based on, and fueled by your OWN relentless fear of death) is the DIRECT CAUSE of the most heinous, widespread, and longest lasting animal abuse in the history of humanity.

There's far worse things than death. Read it and weep if you think saving more animals' lives is going to give them a life worth living -- you heartless and spineless animal torturing MORON.

http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/07/21/how-i-failed-as-a-rescuer-lessons-from-a-sanctuary/

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@katlina 

 Here's how these delusional, self-serving, and uneducated TNR-advocates are destroying all life on the planet.
 
The TNR CON-GAME
 
FACT: Trap & Kill failed because cats cannot be trapped faster than they exponentially breed out of control.
 
FACT: Trap, Neuter, & Re-Abandon (TNR) is an even bigger abject failure because these man-made ecological disasters cannot be trapped faster than they exponentially breed out of control, and they also continue to cruelly annihilate all native wildlife (from the smallest of prey up to the top predators that are starved to death), and the cats continue to spread many deadly diseases that they carry today -- FOR WHICH THERE ARE NO VACCINES AGAINST THEM. Many of which are even listed as bioterrorism agents. (Such as Tularemia and The Plague -- Yes, people have already died from cat-transmitted plague in the USA. No fleas nor rats even required. The cats themselves carry and transmit the plague all on their own.)
 
FACT: THERE IS ABSOLUTELY _NOTHING_ HUMANE ABOUT TNR. Nearly every last TNR'ed cat dies an inhumane death by road-kill, from cat and animal attacks, environmental poisons, starvation, dehydration, freezing to death, infections, parasites, etc. And if very very lucky humanely shot to death or re-trapped and drowned (the two most common methods employed on all farms and ranches to protect their gestating livestock's offspring and valuable native wildlife dying from cats' Toxoplasmosis parasites). This doesn't begin to count the thousands of defenseless native animals that cats skin alive and disembowel alive for their daily and hourly play-toys. The only difference in destroying cats immediately and humanely instead of trapping, sterilizing, then releasing them to an inhumane death; is that money isn't going into an HSUS or SPCA board-member's pocket, veterinarian's pocket, cat-food company CEO's pocket, or a drug-company CEO's pocket. And that's the ONLY difference!
 
FACT: These manipulative, deceptive, and deceitful TNR proponents are now clipping cats ears ONLY. WITHOUT vaccinations nor sterilizing them. They do this to save money and protect their outdoor hoarded cat colonies from being trapped and euthanized by the state because the clipped-ear shows officials that they have been sterilized and vaccinated. Why pay $140 for each cat and all that time when just a trap and a simple snip of scissors on each one can also protect their hoarded cats from being destroyed? (I have absolute proof of this.)
 
FACT: Cats are a man-made (through selective breeding) invasive species. And as such, are no less of a man-made environmental disaster than any other caused by man. Cats are even worse than an oil-spill of continent-sized proportions. They not only kill off rare and endangered marine-mammals along all coastlines from run-off carrying cats' Toxoplasma gondii parasites, they destroy the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where cats are found. From smallest of prey gutted and skinned alive for cats' tortured play-toys, up to the top predators that are starved to death from cats destroying their ONLY food sources. (Precisely what cats caused on my own lands not long ago.)
 
FACT: Hunted To Extinction (or in this case, extirpation of all outdoor cats) is the ONLY method that is faster than a species like cats can exponentially out-breed and out-adapt to. Especially a man-made invasive species like these cats that can breed 2X-4X's faster than any naturally occurring cat-species.
 
FACT: In _FOURTEEN_YEARS_ Alley Cat ALL-LIES of NYC have only reduced feral cats in their own city by 0.08% to  0.024% (as the months go on that percentage becomes more insignificant), allowing more than 99.92% to 99.976% to exponentially breed out of control. Here's how Alley-Cat-ALL-LIES' deceptive math works: If you TNR 4 cats and 3 get flattened by cars this translates to 75% fewer feral-cats everywhere. Alley Cat ALL-LIES can't even reduce cats in their own city, yet they promote it as a worldwide solution. Then even bigger fools fall for it and promote it.
 
FACT: When researching over 100 of the most "successful" TNR programs worldwide, JUST ONE trapped more than 0.4%. Oregon's 50,000 TNR'ed cats (the highest rate I found) is 4.9% of all ferals in their state. Yet, by applying population growth calculus on the unsterilized 95.1% they will have trapped only 0.35% of all cats in their state sometime this year. Less than 0.4% is a far cry from the required 75%-85% to be the least bit effective.
 
FACT: Their mythical "vacuum effect" is a 100% LIE. A study done by the Texas A&M University proved that any perceived "vacuum" is just the simple case that CATS ATTRACT CATS. Get rid of them all and there's no cats there to attract more. I proved this myself by shooting and burying hundreds of them on my own lands. ZERO cats replaced them FOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS NOW. If you want more cats, keep even one of them around, more will find you. That university study also found that sterilized cats very poorly defend any territory. Non-sterilized cats, being more aggressive, take over the sterilized cats' resources (shelter & food if any). If there is any kind of "vacuum effect" at all, it is that sterilizing cats cause non-sterilized cats to restore the reproductive void.
 
FACT: During all this investigation I have discovered something that is unfaltering without fail. Something that you can bet your very life on and win every last time. That being -- IF A TNR CAT-HOARDER IS TALKING THEN THEY ARE LYING. 100% guaranteed!

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@mtruji9235

The word "murder" is reserved for the case of human death ONLY. A cat can never be murdered. It can only be killed or destroyed. Try to not buy into the anthropomorphic psychoses that has deranged the minds of so many psychotic cat-licker-hoarders. Or is it already too late for you?

And, if you are buying cat-food for cats, then that makes you an accomplice to "murder", for you having paid "hired killers" to "murder" all those innocent animals and have their tortured dead bodies crammed into bags and cans and slapped a "CAT FOOD" label on them for you.

Even if you do believe that killing a cat is "murder" (as psychotic as that belief might be), then a cat killing all wildlife makes the cat a serial-killer "murderer". As far as myself, I merely carried out their death-penalty on my lands for them having "murdered" so many thousands and thousands innocent native animals' lives. Even under the terms of "murder" they deserved to be shot to death. ESPECIALLY under the terms of the definition of murder -- if it is going to be used to describe deaths of animals; outdoor cats most certainly deserve a death-sentence for just being the witnessed, confirmed, and unstoppable serial-killers that they are. 

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@lblevy1228

 That's a lie.TNR hasn't been able to reduce cat-populations ANYWHERE ON EARTH.

Cats are also one of the poorest methods of rodent control of all. Not only are they a highly destructive invasive species that transmits many deadly zoonotic diseases to both humans and all other animals, but there are hundreds (if not thousands) of native species on every continent that are much better suited for the purpose. On top of that, most cats run from rats.

What happens is that cats destroy all the native rodent predators, or displace them, and then the cats destroy only the rodents that they can find (key point). Guess what? Rodents don't reproduce in places where cats can get to them. They reproduce in burrows and places too small for ANY cat to get to them. So what you end up with is a happy predator/prey balance of nothing but cats and rodents infesting your lands and homes.

The rodents reproduce in burrows and holes where they are happy to reproduce forever to entertain your cats the rest of their lives, and make your own lives miserable, on into infinity. On top of that, when cats infect rodents with the cat's Toxoplasma gondii parasite, this hijacks the minds of rodents to make the rodents attracted to where cats urinate. Cats actually attract rodents to where cats are. Further increasing the cat/rodent density of this happy predator/prey balance. It has been documented many many times. The more cats you have, the more rodents you get. I suggest you Google for those studies.

No cat population anywhere has EVER been able to eradicate rodents. But native predators can -- easily. Many reptiles and the more voracious smaller mammals can destroy rodents at their very source. The VERY animals that cats destroy for their play-toys.

See how that works? No? Didn't think so. You'd need at least a high-school freshman level of education in biology to know this. Even children in elementary-school are aware of these things today.

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@nomad237 

Why is torturing other animals to death with your cats, and even letting your cats suffer to death from TNR's feel-good "death by attrition" so easy for you? 

You are aware, aren't you, that out of ALL types of pet-owners on the face of this earth, that cat-owners are directly responsible for the suffering deaths of more animals and more species of animals than any other type of pet-owner on the face of this earth. You are aware of this, aren't you? If not having animals killed for their own consumption, then they are having animals killed for their cat's consumption, and if they let those cats outside then they are senselessly torturing billions of native animals to death yearly just for their cats' play-toys.

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@Diane767 

 Destroying cats is neither hating cats nor a fear of cats.

Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, African Cichlids, Burmese Pythons, Brown Tree Snakes, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many of which are escaped PETS that don't even spread any harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is people who let a destructive invasive-species roam free that tortures-to-death all other wildlife, wasted for their cats' play-toys, that have zero respect for ALL life. They don't even care about their cats dying a slow torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, becoming road-kill, environmental poisons, etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don't even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to all animals, cruelty to your own cats as well as all the native wildlife that you let your cats skin alive or disembowel alive for their and your entertainment. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and invasive-species law in existence.

If people do hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed on-site and on-sight. You've done so much to make people care about cats, haven't you. If you want to do something about it, direct your sadly and sorely misplaced energies at those that are causing the problem, not at those who are actually solving it AND HAVE SOLVED IT 100%.

THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have NOBODY but yourselves to blame.

You can take that all the way to the very last shot-dead cat's grave.

nomad237
nomad237

@Diane767 i like all animals .  Most Men like dogs because we can control them :)

lblevy1228
lblevy1228

@Mindy Moffatt 

You are so right. We need to start getting people who understand the problem in positions of authority. Most people in rescue are killing themselves to earn a living and then do their rescue work. We have to find people willing to take jobs in Animal Control who has a mentality of saving and not  "getting rid of." And working with the Commissioners to give them the information that is readily available on why TNR is the answer and killing is not.

Allie_E
Allie_E

@Mindy Moffatt Well said, Mindy!!

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

@Mindy Moffatt Go get-em Mindy well said my meow friend. 

lblevy1228
lblevy1228

@Barbara Gaillard 

We did stop feeding the birds, but only after a hawk started taking them. The cats were never the problem. They are content with mice and rats. They don't all come inside, but if they are fed, they aren't interested in wildlife.

nomad237
nomad237

@Wayne Rioux  well said. think back to europe in the Black death days ....... rats brought it .... because they killed all the cats.


Allie_E
Allie_E

@SethPlatt Regurgitating the Smithsonian's crap "science" like a fat hairball...

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

@SethPlatt

Humans are a non native invasive species who have harmful impacts on the planet should we kill ourselves????? Habitat destruction and deforestation has a bigger impact on all the NATIVE SPECIES on the planet. Again, what do you suggest we do with all the invasive humans on this planet??? Please enlighten me... 

I guess the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are a bit bios when it comes to there reports. IDIOTS!!!! 

macawluver
macawluver

@eslaporte @macawluver Where do you get it is cruel? What is cruel is abandoning cats under TNR, abandoning them to the cruel life on the streets. TNR is for cat haters, not cat lovers. You think the solution is to continue to expose people and their pets to the diseases carried by cats? You think the solution is to forget about all the wildlife that free roaming cats kill? TNR wants to keep them alive so their 'caregivers' can get a chuckle when they see one dead in the street. TNR is cruel and only for those who want to see cats suffer. 

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

@ChazStevensGenius @mtruji9235  No Chez this is not an outrageous claims. The definition of euthanasia  is " the act or practice of killing someone who is very sick or injured in order to prevent any more suffering"  These animals are not sick or injured. Therefore they are being murdered. You can sugar coat it however you like. But murder is murder. People in America have gotten to comfortable with the word euthanasia or put to sleep, I'd like to know when they are going to wake up. 

And for the record WE HAVE BEEN MURDERING CATS/DOGS FOR OVER 100 YEARS. And it does not work, we should be going after irresponsible people who do not spay/neuter or take care of there animals. 


I have a great idea lets euthanize them.. This planet would be much better off with less humans..

katlina
katlina

@lblevy1228 so true, the bird lovers want everyone to believe that it is the cats when the biggest reason of their decline is actually humans. but they would not admit to that so let's blame the cats. It is nothing but a witch hunt.

Nature_Advocate
Nature_Advocate

@mtruji9235 

Here's my standard issue prepared reply for 3rd-grade bible-home-schooled people like you:

Homo sapiens is NOT an invasive species ANYWHERE, you freakishly stupid moron. Since humans have the genetic code to give them the capability to travel/migrate to ANY part of the globe, this means they are native to any area they can travel to on their own. Just like birds that have this capability and can travel to different continents and islands. Those that have the flight-range required to do so are NATIVE to those areas that they are capable of traveling to ON THEIR OWN.

(And for the love of all that's good in the world, PLEASE don't display your further ignorance and stupidity by trying to claim that Europeans, Native Americans, and Asians are different "species". That's usually your next huge omelet-on-the-face move that you astoundingly ignorant fools make.) 

Whereas, an animal genetically engineered through selective breeding, such as CATS, are NOT AN INDIGENOUS SPECIES ANYWHERE. They are no more natural to any native environment anywhere on earth than some genetically engineered insect that was invented in some lab, that once released out into nature will destroy all native wildlife, JUST AS CATS DO. Someone once kept a "pet" bee one time. He too selectively bred this pet. After he selectively bred it it was called an Africanized Bee. It accidentally escaped his supervised confinement, and look what happened. Luckily for us they're' not destroying the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where they are found today, are limited in their range, nor are they spreading many deadly diseases to all humans and wildlife -- you know, those fun things that all cats do.

If you phenomenally stupid cretins are going to use ecology, biology, speciation, and genetics in your arguments, the very LEAST that you could do is have a base comprehension of what you are talking about. Don't you think?

No. And that's the problem with terminally ignorant morons like you, you CAN'T think.

There's just no legal cure for "stupid".

ChazStevensGenius
ChazStevensGenius topcommenter

@mtruji9235 Well. I don't have any ideas on what to do with the invasive humans.

But when it comes to you, I am sure I could come up with a few decent Plan Bs.

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

@ChazStevensGenius @mtruji9235 Nope, sorry try again. There is Malice in the MURDERING of innocent healthy animals. 

And for the record, I am not a middle-age woman, alone or unloved. I do not have 15 cats, I have one dog and one cat. My house is very clean many would even say I have OCD when it comes to keeping a clean house. 

But, I do believe that murdering healthy animals should be a crime and illegal. Many of these animals that are brought to county shelters are mistreated by the idiots who work there.  

And as for your "KEYWORD HUMAN" I do not place more or less value on a HUMAN. As a matter of fact "HUMANS" are the root of everything that is wrong with this planet. Name one positive thing that "HUMANS" contribute to this planet or the environment. Every single animals on this planet contributes in a positive manner to the eco-system. Therefore we are an invasive species on this planet, most humans are to dumb or arrogant  to understand this.

ChazStevensGenius
ChazStevensGenius topcommenter

@mtruji9235@ChazStevensGeniusAccording to WikiPedia (a known bastion of kitty hating) --

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). A person who commits murder is called a murderer.

 Keyword human.

Now, I suppose if you are a middle-aged woman, alone, unloved, with 15 cats in your fecal covered residence, those little bastards might start seeming like their human.

mtruji9235
mtruji9235

@ChazStevensGenius @mtruji9235 Very Simple Chaz, the animals were on this planet way before us, so we are an invasive species again what are your thoughts on that. We have destroyed there habitat, we have destroyed there forest, etc... again what should we do with the humans who have destroyed this planet and all its animals.. Its a very simple question.. 


And please "a few decent Plan Bs" grow up and say what is on your mind. No need for small talk.  

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