Trayvon Martin Beat Up on George Zimmerman; Suddenly Zimmerman Isn't Racist Anymore

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On Monday, George Zimmerman's lawyers posted on Facebook that they'd received documents and digital records that included "witness statements, 911 calls, nonemergency calls, photos, video, medical records, and more." Mysteriously, that was the same day ABC News got hold of a medical report that says Zimmerman suffered a broken nose, two black eyes, cuts to the back of his head, and a back injury the night of Trayvon Martin's killing.

Tuesday, it came out that Martin's autopsy revealed he had wounds on his knuckles, and the "Zimmerman is innocent!" bandwagon got a big boost of steam.

Gateway Pundit concludes a blog post about the issue with "Al Sharpton was unavailable for comment," and the Right Scoop says the revelation "should burn on the conscience of 'Rev.' Al Sharpton and 'Rev.' Jesse Jackson. Yeah, I know it won't, but it should."

A Breitbart.com post says "the logical conclusion is that Martin was beating up Zimmerman severely before Zimmerman shot him."

The Daily Caller's Jim Treacher criticized ABC News' Matt Gutman's reporting and wrote that "there must be some way to make it fit everybody's snap judgment. How about this: Before the cops got there, Zimmerman scraped the kid's knuckles against the sidewalk and then punched himself in the face and slammed the back of his head on the ground a few times. Get on that, Gutman...

If you think Trayvon Martin's bloody knuckles are more relevant than his bag of Skittles, #YouMightNotBeALiberal."

Oh, cool. It's only liberals who think maybe it's not OK to follow a kid around and then kill him. Good to know where my conservative friends stand on that one; I'll leave my hoodie at home next time we hang out, because if I stand up for myself suddenly I'm the asshole.

In any case, this stuff doesn't prove a damn thing.

The not-so-new revelations that Zimmerman and Martin fought before Zimmerman shot him in the chest don't change the most important fact -- Zimmerman called authorities, reported a suspicious "asshole," and then, against the instructions of the 911 operator, chased him around before somebody confronted somebody, and Martin ended up dead.

A question for all you guys saying that Martin was a delinquent pothead suspicious potential burglar person: If you were walking by yourself at night and realized a man was following you, a man who could be -- and in Martin's case was -- carrying a gun -- what would you do?

Martin wasn't lurking around waiting for a lame goatee to punch -- he was being followed.

All this proves is that Martin stood up to a stranger, a stranger with no legal power to enforce anything other than his own weird fantasies of catching an evil-doer. Martin was a big guy -- at least big enough to thoroughly womp Zimmerman. Whatever happened during that scuffle, it could have been avoided. Trayvon Martin would still be alive if Zimmerman had just minded his own business and let the police do their jobs.

And if you were in that position, you'd have tried to kick Zimmerman's ass too.


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Joseph Todd Staton
Joseph Todd Staton

Before you start talking about what Zimmerman was and was not allowed to do under the law, maybe you should actually look up Florida's self defense laws. Not only can it not be proven that Zimmerman continued to follow, confronted, or acted aggressively towards Trayvon, under the law it also doesn't matter. Florida law says that even if you are the first aggressor in a fight you still have the right to use lethal force in self defense if you reasonably fear for your life and if you have no means of escape. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground and was being beaten by Trayvon, so he had a reason to fear for his life and could not escape. 

1_thuglife_1
1_thuglife_1

seems as tho Travon got killed for standing His ground...imagine that!

Jaime Andres Pretell
Jaime Andres Pretell

Wrong.  There is no evidence that Zimmerman was following Martin for any extended period of time.  You have the 911 call where he is in his car. So not following him. A 20 second run after Martin ran, where Zimmerman was unable to determine where Martin was. That is it. No evidence of an approach, or any confrontation. 2 minutes later we have a confrontation almost right were Zimmerman was, so he didn't move a great distance. Martin had a phone, he didn't have a right to commit assault. He had the right to call 911, just like Zimmerman did.

Sunao Greiff
Sunao Greiff

Does anyone know what happened to TV's 'phone?  The friend was cut off suddenly and heard scuffling or something.  Was he able to put it in his pocket or did he drop? If on the ground..how far away from the body? Was there grass or dirt on it in or out of his pocket?  I haven't heard anything on this...can anyone help?  Thanks

Sunao Greiff
Sunao Greiff

The last I knew there ARE laws against stalking!

Regina Taylor
Regina Taylor

Zimmerman started this whole tragic event when he got out of his vehicle and starting chasing Trayvon!!! He is not a police officer and so he had no authority to chase anyone. When the confrontation between them happened, Trayvon had every right to Stand His Ground!It does not matter who threw the first punch, Zimmerman was the aggressor from the moment he left the safety of his vehicle! When he told the parents of Trayvon that he did not know if Trayvon was armed or unarmed, that is a depraved mind at work, and the main reason not to pursue someone that you do not know. The same reason that Trayvon ran, is because he did not know who Zimmerman was or his intentions. When his friend on the phone heard Trayvon ask Zimmerman why he was following him, that was his chance to identify himself as neighborhood watch. And if you listen to her taped 22 min interview with prosecutor, this happened after Trayvon had thought he lost Zimmerman, as he chased him the first time. She said that he was scared and out of breath, and then saw Zimmerman behind him once again. Zimmerman will have to answer, and if anyone has a right to Standing his Ground it would have to be Trayvon!!!

Sunao Greiff
Sunao Greiff

 I am not for either side yet.  Still weighing and learning so some other post might be for Zimmerman.  Love a good debate...

Sunao Greiff
Sunao Greiff

Are we all missing something here?  What happened to Trayvon's right to stand your ground?  He was being stalked and according to the 'phone conversation was afraid.Just because one received more injuries than the other doesn't change how it started.  It did not start at the point that Mr. Zimmerman wants us to pick up on. Trayvon was doing nothing to make anyone think he was acting out of the ordinary.Trayvon had every right to believe he was in a protected community and was safe.  Isn't that what a gated community is? Mr. Zimmerman had no right to approach Trayvon.  He was not acting in his so called official capacity.  As neighborhood watch he shouldn't have had a gun.  I believe Neighborhood watch should have to wear something readily identifiable from a distance and some form of identification to show.  Perhaps something from the police dept that has to be renewed periodically.  In all probability they would both be alive today had Mr Zimmerman not been too quick on the draw.  This sounds like the neighborhood bully torturing people then screaming  and crying.....It's not my fault....What should have been a schoolyard fight ended up deadly.We teach people and especially children not to talk with or let strangers approach for a reason so why should a person who looks like a regular Joe think he has a right to question people. I am a woman and as such would not like anyone approaching me without my knowing them.  Where do you draw the line?It sounds to me as though Zimmerman is a cop wannabe who overstepped his directive.

Eric Bishop
Eric Bishop

We all knew Zimmerman was telling the truth from the beginning. 

Jam
Jam

If I pick a fight with someone and then midway through the altercation realize I'm losing I can't logically,(or legally), conclude that I have the right to kill them. 

J.A. Woodard
J.A. Woodard

Honestly, I would've headed for the hills if I was Trayvon.  Sure, that probably makes me a pussy.  But if Trayvon was as big a wimp as I am, he'd probably still be a live.

On the other side of the coin:

Honestly, I would've stayed the F in the car and driven back to my house and re-evaluated my life choices and locked my gun in the safe if I was Zimmerman.  Sure, that probably means I'm not a vigilante dumbass.  But if Zimmerman was as big a non-vigilante/dumbass as I am, Trayvon would probably still be alive.

no disagreement
no disagreement

"Martin wasn't lurking around waiting for a lame goatee to punch"

If only Martin had been lurking around waiting for a lame Gotye to punch. Then everybody would be happy.

Dogguy555
Dogguy555

I have not seen one intelligent comment about this incident from anybody on either "side".  There are no "sides".  The law is clear on this point and has been for thousands of years.I suggest all of you blowhards on both "sides" research the common law defense of Necessity. The facts in evidence from the 911 call, martin's last call and the autopsy make it impossible for Martin to carry the common law Necessity defense, which underlies "stand your ground" law.

Junior Samples
Junior Samples

In Florida, the law reads this way: "a person is justified in using deadly force (and does not have a duty to retreat) if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony, or to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." [Florida Statute Section 776.012.]"The use of deadly force is further justified when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which the person is located." [Florida Statutes Section 782.02]

Christopher Neal
Christopher Neal

With all due respect, Rich, this article would have been better without editorializing it.

"Just the facts, ma'am."--some cop on some old tv show...

Justin Cyr
Justin Cyr

Some people get in a fight take it like a man and are drinking together the "next" day.  Trayvon screaming for help disproves a lot of what Zimmerman says. What's confirming about the screams is that they have been proven to be Trayvons, You got beat, pull yourself together, if there is any medical - pain and suffering, then sue.

Justin Cyr
Justin Cyr

  YOU CAN'T GO LOOKING FOR TROUBLE GET BEAT UP AND CRY ABOUT IT. IT'S SICK; GEORGE IS GUILTY OF MURDER.TRAYVON MARTIN STOOD HIS GROUND HE WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE AND DID WAS PROTECTING HIMSELF AS THIS LAW PROTECTED HIM NOT ZIMMERMAN. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. THE FOLLOWING POINT JUST SOME OF THE REASONS' HE'S GUILTY OF MURDER.

Was it his Private property? Zimmerman1), was surveying for certain looking individuals, He saw Martin.2) Profiled him, told the operator what he was wearing down to his shoe's color.3) He followed up.4) He was told my experienced operator given instructions on not to follow him.5) Zimmerman continued to pursue...6) Zimmerman said, "he's running..." Running away not to, but away from George. Listen to the 911 tape and the exterior noise.7) He then confronted Trayvon.

The following is indesputable8)As a neighborhood watch you are NEVER  to be armed.

9) You are to NEVER follow anyone as a neighborhood watch volunteer.10) You are to by no means confront ANYONE.

Trayvon had every right to pummel and bash his head to the ground. Trayvon was Standing His Ground. He did not have to retreat, he did not have to leave. he did not have to stand still and let ZImmerman continue to beat him After all, Martin is the one screaming for help in the background, this has been proven to be   98% truth. George was not the one screaming for   Trayvon was scared for his life.by two of the best voice anazysts in the WORLD... Not one, but two impartial conclusions with scientific

Justin Cyr
Justin Cyr

This is a horribly written Article.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Zimmermans "injury's"  are VERY suspicious.  The fact that there were no injuries shown on the camera when he was at the police station and that the cops did not take him to get looked at should be obvious.  He then goes with his well connected family to their personal doctor and suddenly there are injuries.As for Martin, I JUST heard the actual report on how he died.  He had a cut on his hand, and was shot in the chest at a moderate range.I generally ALWAYS have some cuts to my hand, yet not because I was fighting, something Martin was well within his rights to do since he was being hunted by Zimmerman.Something the right fright wing always glazes over is that simple fact.  Zimmerman precipitated the entire event the second he got out of his car with that gun, especially since the cops told him not to.While I do not agree about the racial bits in the story, the fact remains that Zimmerman murdered this unarmed kid who was doing nothing but going home.

gimmesamore
gimmesamore

I loooooove everyones' short term memory on this -- immediately following the shooting, we get a mug shot of a bloated Zimmerman blown out to the international media.  On the flip side, we get a fresh faced 4-5 year old photo of Martin who looks like a little kid.  Further, we have Ben Crump (who by the way will cash in on Martin's death via a wrongful death suit against the homeowner's association and the police) stating that Martin was defenseless, attacked, unequipped to deal with Zimmerman's power, etc...  Now, after the only real forensic evidence is revealed, Crump now states Martin was "fighting for his life," conceding that he got some blows in against Zimmerman before Zimmerman shot Martin. 

But this same forensic evidence shows that Zimmerman had no injuries to his hands or knuckles.  More importantly, Martin had no trauma, but for scratches on his knuckles and the fatal bullet wound.  If that doesn't raise an issue of who was "winning" this engagement, I don't what will.  Plus, the only eye witness to this event states that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman while the two were on the ground.  Unless lying on your back and taking shots to the head is a new fighting style, I'm not sure how anyone could determine that Zimmerman had the upperhand. 

Sharpton, Jackson, the entire Rainbow Coalition and the national media pounced on Zimmerman; remember the entire world stated Zimmerman was not injured AT ALL-- in fact, recall that the purported "leaks" of Martin's autopsy report allegedly confirmed that Martin had no marks or injuries to his knuckles.  We all now know that was complete fabrication. 

This case is about one thing at this point - whether Zimmerman can prove that he acted in self defense.  Nobody but Zimmerman and Martin know whether Martin attacked Zimmerman or vice versa.  In that instance, the court will likely rely upon the forensic, objective evidence, rather than the objective testimony of Zimmerman. 

Nobody knows whether the hunter became the hunted.

It is obvious that the forensics of this case certainly help Zimmerman's self defense case, as the entire world thought the direct opposite of what the evidence actually shows. 

My prediction is that the judge is going to shut this circus down at Zimmerman's self defense, evidentiary hearing -- this case will not even make it to a trial.

But watch closely --- immediately following whatever outcome there is in the criminal case, Ben Crum will file a wrongful death suit against the home owner's association and the Police Department he browbeated into an arrest. 

He will allege that the dispatcher should not have merely advised Zimmerman that "we don't need you to do that."  Crump will state that the dispatcher should have specifically and unambiguously demanded that Zimmerman retreat to this home immediately.  In fact, if I were Crump, I would posit that the dispatcher should have inquired whether Zimmerman was armed.  Thing about it -- you have a neighborhood watch member advising the Police that he is following a potentially dangerous suspect, alone and at night.  Common sense dicates that there is reason the watch member is not in fear for his own safety; i.e. he is carrying some sort of personal protection, which heightens his sense of security.  The dispather should have been trained to properly filed these types of calls. 

The funny thing is that Crump has already gone on record that the dispatcher's words were clearly a demand for Zimmerman to disengage.  But watch him flip the script when he seeks money from the Police Department.  Also, there is a $200,000.00 cap on damages under the new sovereign immunity laws in Florida.  However, if Crump obtains a verdict in excess of that amount against the police department, he can petition the Florida Legislature for the amount in excess of the $200,000.00 cap.  So, do you folks think we will see Sharpton, Jackson and the Rainbow coalition rain hell fire down on the Florida legislature at that time?  You can bet your ass they will make sure the world watches the legislature's decision. 

The homeowner's association likely has a million dollar policy, which it will immediately cough up to Crump -- Also, there is a chance the police station will voluntarily cough up more than $200,000.00 to simply avoid costly litigation and further embarrasment.  So that's that....

Dive
Dive

One other thing.  this was a gated (restricted) community, and private property. 

only guests and owners have a right to be in the community.  Zimmerman had every right to questions someone he didn't recognize as to whether they had a right to be there.  -especially at night.

GZ did not have any rights to  detain him, but is did have a right to question who he was, and if he was a guest of an owner, or tenant.

and TM had no idea GZ had a gun...

xoxo
xoxo

People who are defending Zimmerman don't understand that he caused the death of a teenager by profiling, following, and chasing him.

This is a perfect example of what not to do when you see a person in your neighborhood you don't recognize.

Zimmerman being on Adderall may be key to his unreasonable behavior. He was on to Trayvon like a pitbull.  

xoxo
xoxo

zimmerman went to his family doctor per the report he told him about the shooting so his family doctor documents his injuries to justify self defense. No x-rays!  Trayvon had 1 small cut on his ring finger below his knuckle so he did not land a punch.

Why was Zimmerman on Adderall? I said why was Zimmerman on Adderall?

Perhaps his mental illness and or his meds are the reason it made sense to him to follow, chase, and shoot a teenager.

Discovery was turned over to O'Mara the same day the medical report was released. O'Mara must know the prosecution evidence is powerful. Why else would he attempt to upstage the evidence by leaking the medical report?

O'Mara show us ALL the evidence! Cherry picking while saying you need time to redact witness info is going to backfire.

Zimmerman and his family have told to many stories that don't add up, is Zimmerman an adderall tweaker?

Gary
Gary

"-- if you were walking by yourself at night and realized a man was following you, a man who could be -- and in Martin's case was -- carrying a gun -- what would you do?.I'd go 75 yards home, tell my father and then finish my skittles and call my girlfriend back,"Looks like Trayvon didn't foresee a gun. But, Martin lost his stalker, then doubled back and gave him a real good sucker  punch to the face and then try to knock the shit out of flabby, old slow Zimmerman.  Zimmerman turned the other cheek and got a second black eye.  Then after having his head pounded into the concrete, Zimmerman could not remember more advice from the Bible, saved his life.Too bad Trayvon didn't think someone might be armed.

And to Rich: If you where having your head pounded into into concrete, would you be afraid for your life? Would it matter that your attacker had only a bag of skittles in his pocket? If they were wearing a hoodie and a gold grill in their teeth, would that matter?

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

 Umm, all the evidence points to him stalking Martin.  Hence the reason the dispatcher told him to NOT FOLLOW HIM and to STOP FOLLOWING HIM!  Which, he did not listen.

gimmesamore
gimmesamore

Justin - where is the confirmation it was Trayvon's voice?  What -- a couple of sound hacks who want national exposure say they eliminated Zimmerman as the screamer and all of a sudden we have concrete facts?  Remember, the only eye witnesse places Trayvon on top of Zimmerman while Zimmerman is lying on his back.   A report released hours ago specifically states Trayvon's wound had 2 inch stippling marks, which only occurs in a very close range shooting.  That same report confirms that an "unfiled" part of the police report confirms that the back of Zimmerman's sweatshirt was covered in grass stains and was wet.  I think we can all at least agree that the new evidence coming out demonstrates that Crump and the national media got it wrong in the beginning...

Justin Cyr
Justin Cyr

YOU CAN'T GO LOOKING FOR TROUBLE GET BEAT UP AND CRY ABOUT IT. IT'S SICK; GEORGE IS GUILTY OF MURDER.TRAYVON MARTIN STOOD HIS GROUND HE WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE AND DID WAS PROTECTING HIMSELF AS THIS LAW PROTECTED HIM NOT ZIMMERMAN. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. THE FOLLOWING POINT JUST SOME OF THE REASONS' HE'S GUILTY OF MURDER.

Was it his Private property? Zimmerman1), was surveying for certain looking individuals, He saw Martin.2) Profiled him, told the operator what he was wearing down to his shoe's color.3) He followed up.4) He was told my experienced operator given instructions on not to follow him.5) Zimmerman continued to pursue...6) Zimmerman said, "he's running..." Running away not to, but away from George. Listen to the 911 tape and the exterior noise.7) He then confronted Trayvon.

The following is indesputable8)As a neighborhood watch you are NEVER to be armed.

9) You are to NEVER follow anyone as a neighborhood watch volunteer.10) You are to by no means confront ANYONE.

Trayvon had every right to pummel and bash his head to the ground. Trayvon was Standing His Ground. He did not have to retreat, he did not have to leave. he did not have to stand still and let ZImmerman continue to beat him After all, Martin is the one screaming for help in the background, this has been proven to be 98% truth. George was not the one screaming for Trayvon was scared for his life.by two of the best voice anazysts in the WORLD... Not one, but two impartial conclusions with scientific

sean
sean

sure, for people who are racist!

Dive
Dive

he WAS treated on the scene by paramedics.

Who said TM was being stalked?  or chased?  where is that proof?

he followed him, then lost him, and was told he didn't need to follow him, then said OK and stopped.

-you can have your own opinion, but not your own facts

Regina Taylor
Regina Taylor

The person that reported that Trayvon has no marks on his hands was the funeral director. Second If Zimmerman was so afraid, he should have stayed in his vehicle, and drove to the mailboxes and met the police there, like he discussed with the 911 dispatch from the early part of his call. If he was so afraid!

Rakeem1
Rakeem1

You sound like a lawyer who used that tactic before.....

Dive
Dive

He said 'OK', when the 911 operator said he didn't need to follow TM, then  the wind  sound in the phone stopped.   That would indicate, as he stated, he did stop following Treyvon.

regarding the medical records.  Who would have paid the hospital bill if he choose to go there instead of a cheaper family doctor?

These records have been available since the shooting. 

same as the eye witness 'John'  that was interviewed by local TV news... 

and our former governor  Lawton Chiles was on anti-depression meds...  

The facts stand for themselves Treyvon was beating up on  Zimmerman, and was clearly winning. 

its also in the 911 audio that Treyvon approached GZ while he sat in his car.

Dive
Dive

According to a Black woman (owner), there were black boys breaking into houses in the neighborhood.

 a lot of people take adderall...  it helps you focus.  its very popular for college students studying for exams. 

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

 Oh thats amusing, you actually think the picture of a gang banger from a hate site was actually the picture of Trevon.  And you are making things up about doubling back from his familys house.  It never happened, much like Zimmermans "injuries" which are highly doubtful.

erikw1974
erikw1974

holy fucking shit. are you serious. Zimmerman stalked him. you mean their were other instances where Zimmerman followed trayvon. In order for him to stalk Trayvon he would have had to follow him on more than one occasion. Even if he ignored the 911 dispatcher's advice which was that he didn't need to follow him-he was never told to stop following him-than that would have all been a single act, and therefore not stalking. But, apparently you are aware of other instances where Zimmerman followed trayvon. Please, I would like to know where you got that from. And, Holy Shit, You have video footage of Zimmerman continuing to follow Trayvon after he was advised not to. Or were you there when Zimmerman continued, as you claim, to follow Trayvon. If you have video footage, would you please post it on youtube. If you were there, why did you not testify in court to this?

Biggadon2000
Biggadon2000

So how does GS get to scream while being "pummelled" in the face and head? Ever try screaming with a "broken nose" with blood gushin down your throat? And how come the screaming stops immediate at the same time of the gun shot? If he had his gun out and preparing to shoot TM, why would he be screaming for help? Why not pull the gun out to avoid the actual physical confrontation and keep TM there for the police, if you thought he was doing something wrong? And to you NAZIS who keep saying he has the right to ask him what he was doing there, GTFOH with that! I'd love to see you walking down the street in a private community and ask you what you were doing there just to hear your response. I bet it would involve a few expletives and a particular finger. He was following the kids, with the intent on "catchin an a$$hole that usually gets away" and decided to take matters in his own hands. Didn't expect the kid to resist and shot him. There is NOTHING int he law that says a crime watch 'captain' ahs the right to stop ANYBODY or ask ANYBODY ANYTHING. By definition we WATCH and report. In fact, the Police routinely tell them NOT to take any action other then observe from a safe location and report to law enforcement. They dont encourage walking up to someone who you think is up to no good and asking him "What are you doing here?" I'd respond, "Im looking for your mother's house. SHe promised me a "special massage. WTF are YOU doing here?"You people who want to believe GZ was a good somaritan doing his job are just so eager to ignore the facts. Undisputed facts: He saw the kid walking in "his" neighborhood, didn't recognize him and assumed he was a criminal (probably cus he was a young black kid- whom he referred to as "a$$hole), called the police and was told to stand down. Continued following him. TM asked him "Why are you following me?" GZ asked him "Why are you here?" TM is shot to death. GZ had some injury but refused treatment on scene. GZ is taken to the police station and does not appear to have any visible facial injuries. An officer looks at the back of his head (unknown whether he saw something or was looking for something and didn't see anything). That's all we know for sure.Honestly, given those facts, is there a doubt that GZ instigated this encounter; that if GZ stayed in his truck TM would not be dead today? C'mon! TM was walking home, minding his own business. GZ was cruising the neighborhood looking for something to get into. (This is how it sounds to me). Assuming TM approached the truck to aske why GZ was following him, GZ still could have rolled up his window, locked his door and called the police. TM would be alive to explain to the Cops that he was just walking him.BTW, potheads/stoners rarely give a damn enough to get into fight (Sidebar). LOL 

DRT
DRT

 The 911 was proof that Z was following TM.

gimmesamore
gimmesamore

Nah - I work on big cases, but always keep a low profile.  I get in and get out without too much fanfare or publicity.  It is just a different way to practice.  Crump has done well with the publicity, so my hat off to him for that... He's no fool. 

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

 And that gives him the right to hunt black kids?  Wow, if only I knew I had this right..Look, I have guns and my house has been broken into as well.  I am not going out stalking the kids in the neighborhood because ITS THE WRONG THING TO DO!Its common sense, something Zimmerman lacks.As for adderall, it is addictive and if taken in excess can effect mood and decision making skills. 

nanook5
nanook5

ironically, it's also very popular for cold-blooded maniacs who feel the need to murder people they feel are racially inferior. amphetamine first made it big in the luftwaffe leading up to WW2. just stating a fact.

Dive
Dive

hopefully the GPS tacking on phones will prove the truth.  who was where, and when.

and the bloody pictures of the back of his head were photo chopped?

and what was TM twiter handle again?

Gary
Gary

Yes there is are photos of Trayvon, that he put on the internet of himself showing tattoos and a gold tooth grill.  Those are real pictures.  The right wing site found them first, but they are Trayvon,  there was another picture that was not Trayvon Martin, where you cannot see the face..  One tattoo is of his mothers name.If you listen to the full 911 tape then you would know Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon and then started walking back to his car.Next:    Enter Mr. Martin from the rear side with a sucker punch to the face.  Mr. Martin dies from self defense wounds to his knuckles and then gets shot.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

 Another good question, if his nose was broken that night, and Zimmerman has all this damage done to him (with none to his hands), where is all the blood?  When a nose breaks, it bleeds A LOT!  As in it gushes out from the nose.  Plus with black eyes, it may take some time for the black to appear, but there should be some bruising.  Looking at those pictures of Zimmerman, I see absolutely no evidence of any altercation with Martin.  That little slice on his nose looks old.Where are these so called injuries?

Dive
Dive

 Oh, I'll agree to that, up until the point the operator said 'you don't need to do that' and GZ say 'OK'.

then the wind noise over the phone dropped off to zero.  -which I interpret to mean he was running, up until he said, OK, then started to walk back to his vehicle.

once again, he had the right to follow someone that he didn't recognize at night, on private property.

-and you can follow anyone you want, legally, especially if you are on private property.

what you can't do is detain someone.  or put a hand on them.  I have yet to hear any Evidence that GZ put a hand on TM, or tried to detain him.

Dive
Dive

So,  what is pot used for?    mma style fighting?

Dive
Dive

From the evidence, so far on the record, IF had Zimmerman not had a gun, he would have ended up in the hospital. -his head was being pounded into the sidewalk.

-or is that a lie by the right wing conspiracy ?

do you really doubt the medical report the day after the incident?  and the eye witness 'John'  that said TM was on top delivering a beating, and GZ was on the bottom yelling for help? 

My major problem with this whole story is how the media has chosen to report on only some of the stories.

John the eyewitness was on a local TV interview the day after, along with Tracy Martin, but it was like it never happened....  or at least never reported... unit Sharpton, and Jessie were creating rallies.

-OTOH, I do think they should have arrested GZ, and let a grand jury decide the facts, not the State attorney.

Zimmerman may be guilty, or not, but the reporting of only 1 side of the issue is the real crime...  -and it was  (IMHO), reason a old man was dragged out of his car and beaten with a hammer by 2 black youth, hours after one of Sharpton's rallies. -in sanford....

Then there was the looting of the walgreens by teens that skipped school in support of TM.....    which of course totally undermines the cause.

why was this not reported for 6 weeks?

nanook5
nanook5

 dive, adderall is prescribed for attention deficit disorder, not for stalking people with a loaded gun.

Dive
Dive

millions of kids are on Adderall. 

are we now making the jump that all of these kids (and adults) are killers?

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