Trayvon Martin Killing: Why George Zimmerman Could Still Totally Get Away With It

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Zimmerman, after an unrelated 2005 arrest.
In light of the news yesterday about new evidence from Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, one might think 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman is done for. He isn't.

Yesterday's story revealed that the 17-year-old Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend when Zimmerman killed him with a single bullet to the chest last month. She told ABC, "Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for?' and the man said, 'What are you doing here?' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the headset just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."

The boy had no weapons, no criminal history, and, according to witnesses, cried out for help before Zimmerman gunned him down. Recently released 911 tapes reveal Zimmerman complaining to authorities that "these assholes, they always get away" shortly before Zimmerman pulled out a handgun and killed Martin, who was found to be carrying Skittles and a can of iced tea.

And, under Florida's new "stand your ground" law, Zimmerman could totally get away with it.

Under normal circumstances, homicide cases examine the killer's "duty to retreat" -- if he could have gotten away rather than use deadly force. Many states have "castle doctrine" laws that state you have no duty to retreat in your home or car -- laws that say if someone breaks into your home, it's safe to assume you're in danger for your life and can respond with deadly force.

Florida, however, is one of 17 states to completely eliminate the duty to retreat -- deadly response can be used anywhere. Zimmerman could have retreated -- hell, he could have done anything other than what he did and this wouldn't have happened.

Gov. Rick Scott said yesterday that "I'm going to look at it, because if what's happening is it's being abused, that's not right." The Sun-Sentinel also reports that former state Sen. Durell Peaden, the "stand your ground" bill's sponsor, said "the intent was to protect women and children... They're using it to protect someone who ought to be in jail. The state attorney ought to do his job."

Peaden ought to have done his job too, because his bill to "protect women and children" ended up giving carte blanche to Floridians to kill people whenever they decided it was necessary. It has resulted in hundreds of unprosecuted homicides in less than seven years.

Since the law was enacted in 2005, "justifiable homicides" in Florida have spiked dramatically, according to a Tampa Bay Times story from 2010. While the state averaged around 36 such cases between 2000 and 2005, there have been hundreds since, including 105 in 2009 alone. Court cases around the state have laid precedent for weak self-defense arguments to work as grounds for acquittal.

The FBI and Department of Justice announced Monday night that they would be joining the investigation into the killing; a statement from the DOJ on Tuesday said that "the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids. Negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws."

These sentiments are echoed in many of Florida's self-defense cases: Zimmerman doesn't have to prove he was acting in self-defense; prosecutors have to prove that he wasn't, even if the big, bad FBI is involved. Here are three Florida acquittals that suggest Florida law isn't on Martin's side.

1. Timothy McTigue murder acquittal
Forty-three-year-old Boynton Beach man Timothy McTigue got in a fight with Michael Palmer, a drunken 23-year-old, at Phil Foster Park in spring 2007. The fight eventually took the men briefly into water next to a floating dock. McTigue got out of the water and, as Palmer pulled himself up on the dock, McTigue pulled a gun and shot Palmer in the side of the head.

There was no warning, no showing Palmer the gun. He was just dead. It's possible McTigue could have escaped, but that question didn't matter -- he had no duty to. Last May, McTigue was acquitted of second-degree murder.

2. Mark Fields conviction reversal
Juries -- and those instructing them -- seem to have a hard time getting Florida's self-defense laws straight. The Fields case is only one of many in which verdicts were overturned because jury instructions were flawed.

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Fields, after the saloon incident.
​What both sides agreed on was that Fields went to Jesse Black's Saloon in Leesburg with a friend named Alvin Conrad, and a shotgun got involved, as did a six-foot-six bouncer named "Big Ben." Fields said Big Ben knocked his friend off a barstool, then knocked out Fields; when Fields regained consciousness, he saw a crowd of people beating his friend and ran to get a shotgun to defend him.

In the story from prosecutors, Big Ben told Fields to apologize for insulting several women. Conrad responded by punching the 300-pound bouncer. Both Conrad and Fields were booted, but prosecutors said they came back wielding a shotgun asking, "Where's the big guy?" Fields tried to break open the cash register but broke his shotgun instead, at which time bar patrons and employees reportedly attacked Fields and Conrad, holding them until authorities carted them off.

Anyway, Fields claimed self-defense, and the jury instructions inappropriately used the phrase "beyond a reasonable doubt," even though there can be plenty of doubt. The relevant passage from the reversal:
...law does not require defendant to prove self-defense to any standard measuring assurance of truth, exigency, near certainty, or even mere probability; defendant's only burden is to offer facts from which his resort to force could have been reasonable...
The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense.

3.The Steak n' Shake Stabbing
Michael Montijo was convicted of manslaughter with a deadly weapon after stabbing a man in an Orlando Steak n' Shake parking lot in 2008. Montijo, talking on his cell phone, reportedly cut off a car with four people in it, including Hunter Rosier. The car followed Montijo to the Steak n' Shake, where, according to court documents, "its occupants, highly agitated, cursed and screamed at Montijo... Montijo retreated into the Steak n' Shake and the staff locked the door behind him."

What happens next isn't clear, the report says, "because many of the witnesses had been drinking." But somehow, Montijo got a knife, ended up outside the Steak n' Shake -- even though police were on their way -- and stabbed Rosier to death.

The conviction was reversed, again after improper jury instructions, but language in the decision reinforces the statements from the Fields ruling:
When a defendant claims self-defense, the State maintains the burden of proving the defendant committed the crime and did not act in self-defense. The burden never shifts to the defendant to prove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. Rather, he must simply present enough evidence to support giving the instruction.
There is already more scrutiny over the Martin cases than there was over these. While these cases involve more straightforward altercations than the tragedy in Sanford, one thing is clear: Floridians -- Zimmerman included -- have a lot more leeway to use deadly force, without any repercussions at all.

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RMJK
RMJK

You make Trayvon out to be a saint and he isn't. My take is Trayvon sucker punched GZ and was beating his butt. Is it possible that Trayvon paniced and wanted to get the first punch in. Sounds like what a kid might do. And it back fired on him. Yeah GZ was agressive and dumb in his confrontation but that what you do when you suspect someone is a potential burglar. He didn't break any law by asking the kid what are you doing here; however, Trayvon assaulting GZ is breaking the law. That's what kids do all the time in school ie., they get into fights. Trayvon came from a rough neighborhood where there were lots of temptations and drugs. His parents were worried about his getting suspended 3 times. He took his hood attitude and sucker punched GZ ( my take). GZ fired while Trayvon was beating his butt. Very sad day when two people's lives are ruined and it was the fault of both parties IMO.

Heimlick3
Heimlick3

good luck george. we pray 4 u buddy

John New York
John New York

So Zimmerman claims self defense and then it becomes perfectly legal in the state of Florida to take that person's life. Well I may agree with the law, that a person should have the right to defend themselves where ever... and within reason. There is a need and it should be a timely, proper investigation into the matter to review all evidence and statements. It seems too much time is passing, which is unfavorable to all. A grand jury should have been convened within a week of the incident to review the matter. Allowing all this time to pass on, has only brought more questions and grief. If the life of my family or myself and even friends, was in immediate danger.. I will do whatever is necessary to protect their lifes, no matter what state I am in. I would then hope and place my trust in the judicial system to clear my name... in a timely fashion.

John New York
John New York

It is unfortunate that this teenager did not survive his injuries to offer his side of the story

Angela
Angela

This is absolutely insane.  You can actually leave the scene of the fight, get a gun, return to the scene and even try to rob the joint and that's self-defense?  I know one state I'll never visit.  These people are nuts and I'm from Texas. 

Googoo
Googoo

..AND A DRUMROLL PLEEEEEASE !!

As it turns out, the Florida Senate, back in 2005, voted UNANIMOUSLY, 39-0, to pass what is now called the Stand Your Ground law. That includes above-mentioned hypocritical windbag, Frederica Wilson.

If you want to fact-check that, Google "2005 Florida Senate vote on stand your ground law".

Results return an article written by columnist Mike Mayo, Ft Lauderdale Sun Sentinel from March 24, 2012, in which he asks why the ENTIRE Florida Senate voted in favor of this law.

So, Frederica...you want to explain that to all of us? And please, do it as publicly as your melodramatic diatribe quoted in this paper. 

neocarl6188
neocarl6188

When armed, you must avoid confrontation to get immunity under the self protection law; especially if no crime is being committed, unless you are an official member of law enforcement.  Once Zimmerman exited his vehicle, with his weapon, he set all the other events in motion, which could have been avoided.  Everything that happened after that, are consequences of Zimmerman not obeying the law to "AVOID CONFRONTATION WHEN ARMED!" and exiting his vehicle with his gun.

Guest
Guest

If a black man goes out of his way to kill a white person, it's wrong, i won't side with it, but it is so out of the norm it's ridiculous and you guys flip out like it happens every single day. Your black panther party ( the police force ) doesn't have to put a reward on someone because they have the law of the land to back them up, shooting people for no reason, robbing people due to what they have, they enact what you guys are. Jealous and a fearful kind, If it doesnt look like you, you're already frightened from the get go, and lord forbid if they have something of worth that you don't, game over. It's not even just blacks, have you noticed you all hate or have problems with EVERY race other than your own. Shit and even your own that like other races you condem and kick around like scum. YOU ALL have the problems, not everyone else. You know what we should see when we see this crime, an older man kills a younger child, who was unarmed, should be charged, convicted thats it. Instead we see, " What was the black guy doing? We don't have all the facts but, There's blood, zimmerman must of been attacked" none of that should of mattered, an older, bigger, liscensed to carry a gun man, shoots an unarmed kid. How you feel threatened when YOU are the aggressor, bigger, stronger and carrying a gun...right. Also people, he assaulted a police officer at 21, which is a felony but didnt because he got a pretrial cop out. I don't know where you can attack police officers and get away with it, but if he didnt get to cop out, he wouldn't of been able to have a gun, think about that and how justive does the world good, right?

Googoo
Googoo

 Hey Guest, I couldn't reply to your post below, so I'll do it here..

I think it's interesting you talk to me about working...you're the one who was apparently writing on here in the middle of the afternoon on a weekday.

I think calling me names like "racist hillbilly ass", just shows your argument (as well as your command of the English language & its spelling), are morally & rationally bankrupt. And yes, calling me names like that does make you a RACIST. Don't care if Al Sharpton tells you otherwise.

And why does our "whole southern pride shit need to stop?" Does it threaten you? Or do you think "pride" is something only minorities are entitled to? But, it's racist when white people do it? Like I said, a morally & rationally bankrupt argument.

No other comment needed, I don't think there's anything I can teach you.

Emceeology
Emceeology

Also for you fools trying to defend Zimmerman. He didn't identify himself as a cop, because he's not, but he still could of, even though that's a crime, but still could of to get him to listen. He didn't identify himself as a community watchman either. He just ran up on him and asked what he was doing here. A huge guy runs up on you asking you what you're doing here for no reason, and you were already a little worried/aware that you were already being followed? What world do you guys live in where people run up on you for no reason, threatening you and you don't stand up for yourself? Get real, if you're gonna try to hide your racism, atleast do it a little better.

Paul
Paul

Guest are you privvy to info that none of the rest of us have?  How do you know he did not identify himself as neighborhood watch?  Were you there?   You say a huge guy runs up on you.  Well Treyvon was 6 feet 3 inches tall.  Do not go by that 3 year old pic of him the parents (with their lawyer) gave out to media.  This is a tragedy at the very least but do not jump to conclusions oh hearsay info especially from either lawyer who has not been sworn to tell the whole truth in a court of law. The US Attorney who reviewed the case has said it will be very difficult to prove its a hate crime.  If they cannot then they have to prove based on the goofy new Florida "Stand your ground" law.  

Googoo
Googoo

All these hysterics without proof or evidence... even on the part of this so-called reporter, who rather than report facts, only reports his opinion.

There were no witnesses to this actual shooting, other than Martin & Zimmerman. All "witness" testimony thus far, is coming from people who arrived or were interviewed AFTERWARDS. If you didn't actually witness an event, you're speculating & LYING if you say you did.

I am challenging this reporter to also cite two or three examples of situations where Stand Your Ground actually saved the life of a person who was attacked. You know, where a criminal was killed or wounded by their innocent prey, whom the criminal assumed to be unarmed? Or does that not fit in with this reporter's personal opinions?

Despite the media frenzy & the usual race baiting grandstanding of the black community & their alleged leadership (Al Sharpton & the New Black Panthers, really?)...we still have the rule of law in this country.

The Constitution dictates citizen's entitlement to DUE PROCESS...you know, where you go to court & are tried & convicted/acquitted based on the evidence. Not in the media...

I'm also going to Google a few stories where black assailants attacked & even killed white people because they were white & post those links here. Let's see how "outraged" Al Sharpton will be when he reads about those hate crimes.

Angela
Angela

Well apparently folks like Zimmerman and the three guys mentioned above don't believe in due process or the people they killed wouldn't be dead.  If indeed Martin did punch Zimmerman, why didn't he just wound the kid instead of killing him?  Zimmerman was judge, jury, and executioner.  Of course, Zimmerman could have also stayed in his car like he was asked to do instead of thinking he's the neighborhood Rambo or he could have left the kid alone.  Seems to me Mr. Pseudo Cop was just itching to take the law into his own hands and find out how it feels to fire that nice little old gun of his.  Bet he felt like a real badass.

were is the truth ?
were is the truth ?

They also left out .The kid was shipped here cause he was kicked out of school.He is also 6 foot three.He also struck first with a puch thet broke the nose of zimmerman.He then got ontop of him and smashed his head on the ground 6 or 7 times.There was a struggle for the gun.Why do they keep showing pictures of him when he is 12 or 14.You should see the pictures of him at this age.It wouldn't be good for the story or show that this has been made out to be.

Angela
Angela

Zimmerman sure looks in good shape at the police station for having his head smashed 6 or 7 times.  Must be a real hard headed dude.  Didn't even faze him.  I myself have a hard time believing that a guy who gets his head smashed 6 or 7 times would even be conscious much less reach for a gun.

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

"I am challenging this reporter to also cite two or three examples of situations where Stand Your Ground actually saved the life of a person who was attacked. You know, where a criminal was killed or wounded by their innocent prey, whom the criminal assumed to be unarmed? Or does that not fit in with this reporter's personal opinions?"

I'll be posting one tomorrow morning. And, yes, we do still have "rule of law," and no one is disputing that. The outrage is not that Zimmerman was given an unfair shake in court. It's that he was never taken to court in the first place.

Paul
Paul

Has it ever occurred to the reporter that zimmerman though overzealous and maybe somewhat dimwitted, is getting the raw deal?  Though this is tragic, the fact remains unless disproven, that he followed the law.  Now A/A can say the law stinks, good, demonstrate against an unfair law, but like the US Attorney said, its going to be awfully difficult to prove that this was a hate crime. I can understand the parents grief, but I cannot understand Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson being in town other than to help with fundraising (for their own organizations)!

Angela
Angela

I didn't know that following someone for no apparent reason since he isn't a police officer is following the law.  I'd also like to know why Martin should have known that this stranger following him with a gun had nothing but good intentions.  Is it normal for people in Florida to get followed by other people while they're walking down the street in the dark?  Because I can't think of one good reason why that kid shouldn't have gotten spooked by being followed by a dude who looks like a thug himself. 

Kenpodoc63
Kenpodoc63

Good reponse!  Not living in Fla. I don't know the specifics of the Stand Your Ground law, but judging by the postings, it seems to elicit strong feelings.  But either way, it neither proves nor disproves Zimmerman's guilt.  What is disturbing in all this is the way the liberal media, the black activist communty, anti-gun activists...and then  a bunch of people with few facts at hand in general, start rushing to judgement to make the facts (or lack thereof) fit their opinion.  Square philosophical pegs pounded into round factual holes by the hammer of ignorance. 

What do we know? A few facts pulled together about two kids who had some form of disagreement; tragically, one is dead. One is black, the other is half-hispanic.  Obama said he looked like he could be his son; Gingrich and Santorum wondered why Obama sought to comment on this crime and what difference did it make to the community if he was black. David Plouffe responded by insulting Republicans in general.  Good Grief.  What a mess.

There are no winners here, it may have nothing to do with race, it clearly isn't stereoptypical white on black or black on white hate crimes, it has nothing to do with the Republican party or The Democratic party, or Obama or Santorum or Gingrich.  And to the crazy lady who posted that she isn't coming to Florida until they get rid of the gun law she didn't like....Stay the hell out of Arizona as well.

Paul
Paul

Now ya tell me Arizona?  I was there in Southern Arizona this summer going from California to Tombstone.  You should see all the signs on the interstate 4 and 6 lane highways telling you to stay in your car due to smugglers, alien gangs (from Mexican drug wars) roaming Southern Arizona.  You would think this was Kosovo!  Now I can understand the gun law in Arizona!

Googoo
Googoo

 Google "british tourists killed in Sarasota", "white boy set afire in kansas city" & "channon cinnamon & chris newsom".

Horrific black on white crimes...completely innocent white people attacked & even killed by black thugs. But did you read/see/hear about about this in the lamestream media, 24/7 for days on end?

Question asked, question answered.

Angela
Angela

Seems the individual who killed the tourists was found guilty of murder so I see no connection here.

Googoo
Googoo

 Rich Abdill...just tried to post a response, but since it has a link to a TV station story in Kansas City, it "has now gone to a moderator for review". Which means it probably won't see the light of day in this column. None of my other ones did. Hope you can make that happen...

Bottom line...the black assailants who tried to burn a 13 y/o white boy to death in KC, earlier this month, have not even been apprehended as of yesterday, much less put on trial.

And Zimmerman may or may not go to court. His arrest will be based on whether or not the facts (not the hysteria) warrant an arrest. The facts of this story are still coming in. I'd say you rushed to judgement with the article here. Your headline alone gives away your lack of impartiality.

Googoo
Googoo

 Rich Abdill...not apples & oranges at all. Same exact situations, color scheme reversed. And for your information, the black assailants who tried to burn a white 13 y/o to death in Kansas City earlier this month, have not even been apprehended, much less are they going to court. Here's the link:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/172...

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

You didn't answer anything, Googoo. You're comparing apples and oranges. Yes, those were all horrifying crimes. Congratulations on being sufficiently outraged about them. But those are all going to court. George Zimmerman is not.

Makoman72
Makoman72

ANOTHER CHILD KILLER ON THE LOOSE IN FLORIDA I WONT BE BRINGING MY FAMILY THERE FOR VACATION ANYMORE UNLESS THIS REPUBLICAN LAW IS REPEALED

Googoo
Googoo

 That's WONDERFUL! Please stay away, we don't need you here...

Black_is_Beautiful
Black_is_Beautiful

Why would Trayvon attack this for no reason? When he had a mission in mind of heading back to his fathers house? I'm sorry but if some unknown guy is running up on me I will fight back also. How do you know if he wasn't a predator or something to that nature? He didn't know all he knows is some man was following him and didn't understand why. Ok so say he did attack him zimmerman is bigger then him he could have restrained him without using deadly force, he had him by 100 pounds. Karma is a bitch and eventually he will get was he deserve. God is the only one who can truly judge him and for how it looks he doesn't look in his favor. Thou shall NOT kill....   

Bawbrooks
Bawbrooks

Zimmerman may have had blood on his nose and back off head, but shooting someone at very close range would result in blood splatter.  Whose blood was on his nose and head, probably Trayvon,s. We will never really know the answer to that thanks to the incompetence of the police department

Googoo
Googoo

 So what are you, a crime scene forensics expert now?

Jeral55
Jeral55

If george zimmerman does not get charged i will drive to floida and kill him in self defence real talk

Angela
Angela

Hell, all you have to do is follow him around a bit and when he wants to know why you're following him, you can get into a brawl and then pop him.  Then you can get the lawyer he has in case his nutty father decides that in his case it's murder.

Makoman72
Makoman72

calm down bro allthough I do agree with you 100% he needs to be charged and convicted two wrongs dont make it right. trayvon and his family have 90% of the country on their side and this racist bull needs to stop up north were all one the southern hillbillies need a good lesson in equal rights

Royalteaful
Royalteaful

im with ya110% and he probably gave himself those injuries

Googoo
Googoo

 Jeral55...I've reported your comment to the police & the FBI. Threatening online to kill someone is a very serious offense.

Makoman72...you really think 90% of the country is on your side? Think again. Calling us "Southern hillbillies" shows YOUR racism.

Angela
Angela

I wasn't aware that hillbilly was a race.  Damn, you learn something every day.

Emceeology
Emceeology

 look another pathetic person, you're one of those people that live in fairy tale land. Im sorry but reporting his little comment isn't going to do shit. You know how many people have already threatened that? They don't have time to worry about one guy who probably doesnt even live in the same state as Zimmerman. And yes 90% is with makoman, showing how ignorant and racist your hillbilly ass really is. You don't kill someone and then try to hide and cry like a little girl. He needs to be charged, and convicted that's all we are asking for. People have been charged and convicted for wayy less. And this whole southern pride shit needs to stop. A lot of the southern people I know, that are white, are nice, humble, hardworking, family orientated, they're good people. Then there's people like you who are the exact opposite and claim all that south mess. The southern people who are good you give a bad name too, they're all about working and you're all about bringing your racist values back, and easy labor but then claim you're a real american. Make up your mind, you either a real american, that works hard and is dedicated, or you're fake and want easy labor, can't have both.

JoeA
JoeA

I have to ask, why is it that the 'news' media leaves out the part about Zimmerman having a bloody nose, and was bleeding from the back of his head when the police arrived?

why would they do that?  don't you think that is an important detail?

somebody gave him the bloody nose.  -it would seem there was a fight.

Zimmerman may very well be guilty, but leaving out that detail is very telling.

Paul
Paul

There are witnesses to the beating part, so I have heard.  But all this has to be evaluated by the US Attorney.  She already said yesterday after reviewing the evidence, it will be difficult to convict or even charge zimmerman on hate crime.  That is very telling to me that this was a combative situation and it falls under Florida's new gun law which I do not agree with, but even if they took that law off  the books tomorrow, Zimmerman has to be charged under the existing law.  

Makoman72
Makoman72

zipperman needs a bully beatdown

Black_is_Beautiful
Black_is_Beautiful

Because they came out in the second  police report. If all some random guy comes to you trying to bully you would you not fight for your life? Why isn't there any medical records for zimmerman and his injuries? Maybe because the police want to make him to seem as innocent as possible. To them it's another black male off the streets one less the have to "look out for"   

Bob
Bob

are you stupid? they got into a fight

Has2rt
Has2rt

probably becuas he is not the one dead and is 100 lbs heavier and had a GUN perhaps?? not sure though...your call

krakalaka
krakalaka

Here is what sucks, They kill themselves on a daily basis and because of the no snitch rule no one says a thing, even though every one in the neighborhood knows who did it. Now mention a white guy did it, and he sure don't look white to me, all hell break loose.

Paul
Paul

Finally someone smart and astute!

FQS9000
FQS9000

If ya start a fight in Florida, ya need to remember this is a 'will issue' state where your victim has the right to kill you if he gets scared.

This is thinning out the violent punk population.  No loss.

In all three of your examples, violence was used and the punks who started it did not do well.  I am in utter agreement with this.

whatnowgop
whatnowgop

 Perhaps punks should kill people and claim the Zimmerman law protects them. Who is the punk. Who's definition of a punk do you accept?

blah blah
blah blah

 Word was that Zimmerman was going back to his vehicle after police instructed him not to follow him. Police arrived and Zimmerman had grass on his back, blood on his face and the back of his head. Sounds to me like he may have been attacked. If I were arguing defense on Zimmerman's behalf, I could stand on that alone.

RMJK
RMJK

From what I've seen Trayvon weighed 159lbs and was over 6 foot. He played football and lifted weights. He was very athletic and could handle himself in a rough neighborhood. George Zimmerman was 180 ish and 5 foot 8 inches tall and sedentary (not athletic). He had a gun from an incident with an aggressive dog . He was told to get one. A bunch of idiots get bull dogs or attach dogs and can't control them; anyway, he was licensed to carry it and broke no laws in having one. Trayvon got physical and paid the price. 

Angela
Angela

What seems to escape people is that Martin did not know this guy, had no idea why the guy was following him, and was walking alone down a dark unfamiliar street.  Zimmerman looks like a thug with his shaved head and probably spooked the kid.  Trayvon was also a teenage boy and teenage boys don't necessarily think like adults.  My question is this, if this guy was chasing you down the street, how would you react to that?  Would you think this is a nice neighborly guy or would it give you the creeps?

Emceeology
Emceeology

 thats a load of crap, because he has grass on his back, blood on his face and the back of his head that means he was attacked? Bullshit. He already had a problem with blacks, he already was following the kid, you guys fail to realize that you follow someone who does suspicious activity...walking is not suspicious, being black while walking to him was. Pathetic people like him, instigate fights, knowing they're wrong but since they have a gun they feel strong. He's older, stronger and carrying a gun, and he feels threatened by a kid who hasn't even graduated high school. If you consider him a threat then you must be pathetic yourself, and think so badly about yourself and race to think that constantly young black men can constantly kick the shit out of older white or hispanic men. 

Has2r
Has2r

would you attack if someone chased you down with a GUN for no apparent reason?  IDIOT

whatnowgop
whatnowgop

 The real punk got out of his car and chased Trayvon while he was armed with a 9mm. Big bad punk weighing at least 100 pounds more than Trayvon didn't like it that a black teen armed with Skittle and ice tea was able to walk through a mixed neighborhood. Cops told big bad punk not to pursue or follow him. Big bad punk ignored that and said I will stand my ground and kill the kid if he objects to me hounding him. GOT YA.

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