Jonatha Carr, FAU Student Who Threatened to Kill Teacher, Got Tasered Three Times, Hit a Cop, and Said Really Racist Stuff, Police Say

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Update, 3/30: Carr's family has commented about her history of mental illness. 

The Pulp just got hold of the police report in the case of Jonatha Carr, a 24-year-old Florida Atlantic University student who inexplicably started screaming during a biology class Tuesday. Her tirade, in which she threatened to kill the teacher and hit another man in the forehead, was captured on video. In it, you can see her stomping around the classroom yelling things like "I will kill the fuck out of you" before she's eventually carted out of the room.

After that, according to the report, it got way, way worse.

The first time of three instances in which police used a Taser on Carr was while they were first attempting to apprehend her outside the classroom. Then, on the way to the police station, the report says, "Carr started screaming to let her out and take the handcuffs off of her and kicking the roof of the vehicle, the door and the windows."

They ultimately decided to bypass processing her at the police station and take her directly to South County Mental Health Center. Before they left, they attempted to restrain her legs. She wouldn't let them and got hit with the Taser again. She was tasered a third time when she "refused to stop swinging back and forth" in the police car.

When they finally got to South County, Carr refused to get out of the car and had to be carried in. Inside, she refused to walk to a room and was carried there too. There, police say, she fought with the staff and had to be held down by three police officers and medical staff.

On the rest, the report can really speak for itself -- it's not clear what set off Carr, but police say she required multiple officers to restrain her behavior every step of the way. The report's at the bottom, but here are the big items, in the words of FAU Police Officer William Hernandez:
All of a sudden she just started to yell at the instructor and at the entire class saying things like "white people suck, Jewish people who think this world is theirs which it's not, I will fucking kill you at the Holocaust events all over the world.
"Evolution kills. Haven't thought about Asians yet." Carr kept going on and on about killing people.
Upon my arrival I observed a black female lying face down in the grass area just south of building #2, I also observed two white males holding her down until I arrived. I then held her down with my hands on both of her wrists and I calmly asked her to calm down and she refused. Sergeant Boldin and I attempted to place her in a sitting position at which time she started punching me with a closed fist on my chest.
Once the handcuffs were placed on her wrist, she started kicking and calling everyone "sand niggers", "white niggers" and "black niggers". She also stated that she will "kill everyone white people sucks".
Carr aggressively resisted by lying on the ground and stiffening her body, Sergeant Boldin, Officer Cowart, Corporal Stewart and I had to lift her and place her inside the vehicle. She was not injured at this stage.
While placing her in the vehicle, she started kicking and screaming, then stiffened her body and refused to put her legs inside, I then attempted to grab her legs and place them inside but she kicked me on my right thigh.
She increasingly became more uncontrollable. At this point she gave me no choice but to tase her, after I advised her I would, I then initiated a drive stun on her left thigh at approximately 12:20:11 for approximately 3 seconds, she then placed her legs inside the vehicle.
And here's the report:


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Jrobe
Jrobe

This asshole should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. She is sub-human and should not get a pass on a psychiatric diagnosis. Her presence on a college campus is an insult to humanity.

Jen
Jen

i don't know this student, but I do know someone that recently had a complete mental breakdown. She was a productive member of society one day and over the course of 2 months, became a total paranoid, conspiracy theorist who attacked a woman because the "black ops in her ear" told her to.To watch it unfold was like being on "Punk'd"..she was sent to the state hospital and has been deemed incompetent to stand trial. She believes the FBI and the police have targeted her because she is a witness in a terrorist case (she is not).I don't know what Ms Carr's diagnosis is, but if she is like the woman above, the chances of rehabilitation are not good. You can't force someone who doesn't think they are ill to have treatment.As I said, it is sad to see someone who was "normal" and productive become a monster overnight but it can happen.

Peoples champ
Peoples champ

Everyone claiming this was a "psychotic" episode-I'm going to debunk this by quoting this girls own words. "Go ahead and put this on YouTube."I'm sorry but you cannot and will not convince me that she had completely lost her mind but still had the mindset to tell multiple cameras in her face to upload the video for the world to see. This girl had these thoughts in her head long before that day, and when she started babbling bullshit she clearly became embarrassed (if I said that shit in class I would be too) and obviously had passed a point of no return trying to get her point across, as ridiculous as it may have been. She deserves whatever punishment she has gotten/will get.

Sherilous629
Sherilous629

Well she obviously is disturbed and is harboring a lot of anger. As you saw on the previous day she was upset about the trayvon Martin tragedy. It also appears as if she holds a hatred towards other races ,something I'm sure was instilled in her from her upbringing. I still can't hate her however!!!! I don't think she needed to be expelled.

Kiara Catlin
Kiara Catlin

People are making this into a black and white thing. She seemed to be killing everyone to me. "White niggers, black niggers and sand niggers." At least that's what I heard.

Pamela
Pamela

She didn't hit a black young man, in the head. She hit a white young man, in the head. You think, it is okay to assault white men, while screaming, you are going kill white people? You think, it is perfectly okay to assault and to verbally abuse white people? That would make you a Racist.

Bob
Bob

I like how people invent a new card it seems every week to excuse this type of behavior.  Since John Stewart said the race card is all played out I guess we've got to break out the crazy card.  Don't worry, it'll soon pass up its credit limit and a new one blaming someone else will be made up.

Marie Lebeaux
Marie Lebeaux

If it were a white person, they'd be charged with a hate crime, given 10 years in jail, have their lives ruined by the felony hate crime conviction, etc, etc. The biggest hypocrisy is how the media treated it. If it were a white person, the news would be spread world wide. Obama would make a statement on it. Sharpton would would be squealing in front of a camera and the media would gobble it up and build it up. Pro athletes would be paying 'tribute' to the student konked on the forehead. But nooooooooo.....    It's a quiet you tube video. Black racist? No such thing? Liberal hypocrisy rules the day.

Pamela
Pamela

It isn't being charged as a hate crime, is because white people, don't demand it, rally protest and threaten to riot. There is absolutely, nothing keeping the white victim, in this hate crime, by going to the police department and demanding, she better be charged with a hate crime. White people must use, the race card, just like black people do. Learn from the Trayvon Martin case. They are so good at it, they have convinced the public, that Zimmerman is white, when he is a "brown" hispanic.

Chris Paris
Chris Paris

The story IS all over the news, and people like you are having a field day being able to drum up a fake case for reverse racism.

She hasn't been charged yet, we don't even know what the charges will be, or if it will include hate crimes.

Sorry the "liberal media" doesn't have a time machine and can't pause the rotation of the earth to force the legal system to work the way you want it, in only a few hours.

And FYI: unlike the hate crimes you are talking about, no one got murdered.

Googoo
Googoo

 "A fake case for reverse racism"?

There are no such things as reverse racism nor reverse discrimination. Those are socialist, PC, bullcrap constructs. Racism & discrimination have definitions, which aren't altered depending on who's practicing it. Look each of those words up in the dictionary, tell me if you find different definitions, based on the color of whomever is practicing it.

Your indirect reference to little (6'3") Trayvon's death, is yet to be called a "murder" by anyone but the race obsessed media & their hysterical PC supporters.

If there WERE a thing called reverse racism or discrimination, it would definitely apply to the media's general apathy of black on white crime, even in the cases where the white victims are murdered. Google "two British tourists killed in Sarasota", to see what I mean.

Chris Paris
Chris Paris

I'm not going to argue definitions with a guy who doesn't know what "socialism" means. The workers own the means of production? Wha...?

Second, I never described Tray's height, so I think you are responding to someone else, or something you imagined.

third, the case you mentioned was all over the news, and the reason it doesn't get much play is because THERE WAS AN ARREST. The unique thing about the Zimmerman story is that he still hasn't been arrested, which is very strange no matter WHAT race the victim and attacker were. the story also took almost a full month to get picked up by the "liberal media" and the Carr story just happened.... assuming you ignore the fact that it's already been covered everywhere and "gone viral."

Finally, racism requires an institutional component to it. A Black student getting up and shouting epithets does not result in discriminatory hiring laws, judicial system, decades of Klan-like race-based lynchings, wage disparity, or anything close to slavery, Holocaust or Native American genocide.

Is CARR a racist? Sure. But that doesn't make it a story about social RACISM. It's an anecdote, and one that proves nothing.

The attempt by white racists such as yourself to use this as an excuse to justify white racism against Blacks -- and put us back decades as a human society -- is pathetic, and it shows how desperate you have become. But until Blacks form organized groups that murder whites for decades with the full permission of the US government, and until whites lose complete power in government, and until whites truly face a societal level of discrimination, you have 0 credibility.

(Cue racist nutjobs telling me that's exactly what's happening now, but it's just the "liberal media" keeping this modern Holocaust a secret from us all, and how we just didn't notice tens of thousands of white people being slaughtered and enslaved by Blacks, and how none of us noticed that our Hispanic looking maids and lawn workers are actually just overtanned Norwegians.)

Bob
Bob

Fake?  I guess the part where she rants about jews and whites and then assaults a white male in the front row escaped you.

Chris Paris
Chris Paris

I meant a fake case for PERVASIVE reverse racism, as if this is a massive problem that the media refuses to cover.

Anyway, if you don't like racism directed at whites, then imagine what it must feel like to be BLACK.

Thisperson
Thisperson

Um. I'm a bit concerned that none of the personally identifying information in that police report is redacted O_o

Tanner32k
Tanner32k

 Here are my thoughts. I live with an alcoholic. She goes on rants such as we saw in the video. My girlfriend calls me every bad name ever invented when she has been drinking. (she is bipolar also by the way). The names, thoughts and actions she does while drinking do NOT suddenly pop in her head with that first drink. Those ideas I believe are lingering in her mind and the rant/rage/episode just make it easier and a doorway for those thoughts to come out.

Political Dookie
Political Dookie

Hmmmm, where's the mainstream media on this? Is she going to be charged with racial intimidation? Did Obama call the teacher and make him feel all better?

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

You people who talk about hating her - insane. Here's a repost of my comment from another blog. As someone who ACTUALLY KNOWS the student in question.

Jonatha should *not* be punished but should receive the proper medical attention for her mental condition.As someone who has worked with her on a daily basis in the past, the behavior you see is NOT Jonatha. I spoke with several other work friends (we all know/knew Jonatha) and she's obviously having a mental breakdown. The behavior is nothing like how she really is -- it's almost like she's in a seizure or a trance. I would describe her personality normally as pleasant, level-headed, and measured. I *never* saw her worked up. She has always been extremely professional, mature, and personable. It upsets me that people see a 4-minute video and ASSUME that it accurately reflects her personality. That was NOT her. 

 Anon
Anon

Isn't it sad and telling?  Jontha is going to jail, Sarah. She's kicked out of college, she is a YouTube star, her police report is out for all to save on their computers, she has shamed her family and friends with her terrorist threats and physical violence, she has wasted money attending college, she has brought very negative attetion to the Trayvon tragedy, made herself look very low.  You know, LOW?  They have a word for women of color who act like she has.

You can type here 'till your fingers fall off, it won't improve her life.  But it does at least make you look like you are destined to follow her lead.  And there is a word for that as well.  It would make you blush.  Maybe.

Waste your time.  You were someone's sup?  JESUS H CHRIS talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.  We Are All Doomed. 

poor sarah...

Anon
Anon

Guys. Look. I have a confession. I am filled with hate. I'm going right now to ask Jesus for forgiveness, although I know it's too late for me. I'm stopping right now. I'm going to stop sitting around, spending my time insulting women from an anonymous profile with words like "cunt". When I did it, it made me feel like a really big man. Putting women and people with problems down was fun for me, and made up for how miserable of a person I was. I'd like to apologize for everyone here for making you all lose faith in humanity.

Anon
Anon

oh my gosh. i'm really losing it. my multiple perrsonality disorder is coming out again. here i am, saying things like "xx chromosomes" in a sad attempt to seem smart. see guys, when i went to school, i didn't do very well. no one told me i was stupid, but i could tell they thought i was.

so now, i hang out on internet threads, and my life is really sad. while no one else is even on this thread anymore (especially no one else who has nothing to do with the situation), i'm here trying to prove that i'm smart, except it keeps backfiring. can you hear me?? listen to me! i have important stuff, and things, to say! like, how black people aren't smart. when i say that, it makes me feel smart, see??

remember! i'm still here! still here arguing, even though no one cares anymore. ISNT ANYONE LISTENING???

 Anon
Anon

Women use the word cunt as well, we have more right to use it since we have one, and are much better able, due to the XX chromosomes, able to tell a cunt from a prick.

You, sir, are a prick.  OR maybe, you have been eating the kitty chow???  In that case, meowmixy, invite all your friends.  Type and type.  Because you are the type

Sarah Wells
Sarah Wells

I don't understand a bit how it is not very plain to all that she is having psychotic episode.Her question alone,  let alone the outburst that followed, is proof enough bizarre thinking has taken hold.   Both the language dysfunction and implicit paranoia are a classic  exhibit of thought disorder;  her fury that her jumbled language and fantastic ideas are somehow being deliberately and maliciously avoided is also typical of schizophrenic psychosis.

It's tragic that she will likely continue to worsen,  and that her avenues of treatment will be very, very limited - and that  even her family will wear out dealing with her, and in future years jail is likely to be her mental hospital.  Management of this disease is so inadequate.

gofugyourshellfish
gofugyourshellfish

fucking idiot.

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

So Kenny, if you agree with someone and they say "fuck" you "like" it, but if they are smarter than you and making points you find difficult to argue you wag your finger for cursing? Lulz.

 Anon
Anon

THIS HAS GOT TO BE VERY HARD FOR SARAH.  OBVIOUSLY SHE IS ASHAMED.  AND NOW WE SEE HOW THE INTELLIGENT SELF SATISFIED SELF RIGHTEOUS FALL FROM THE PEDESTALS THEY PUT THEMSELVES ON.

MAYBE SARAH IS NEXT?

WE LUV YOU SARAH.

CUNT.

Josh Turner
Josh Turner

while that's understandable, she still needs to be held accountable.  I saw at least three counts of assault & battery, disturbing the peace, etc... schizophrenics still go to prison. We may not know her character, but you can't stand up and say that it's unreasonable to draw the conclusions that many are making.  You can't go on a racist, violent, and threatening rant, and not be labeled just that: racist, violent, and a threat. 

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

I can see why people would say that, and when I first saw the video, I had no idea that was her, so that was the conclusion I drew also -- that she was a violent, aggressive person. Since I actually do have knowledge of her, I'm trying to point out that drawing conclusions based on a psychotic episode is a type of illogical thinking (that I did as well at first). However, even if it wasn't someone I knew, I wouldn't be online talking about "people like that" or making inferences about black people and society and FAU students. It's an isolated incident and not representative of society/a race/a school. 

However, since I found out I know her, I feel compelled to defend her because it is really upsetting to see her talked about like that. If it was someone you knew and respected, you'd probably do the same. 

Darren Thornton
Darren Thornton

Just a heads up -- that police report has a lot of people's personal info on it -- maybe you should take down the link!  (Even though it's public record, I'd guess the individuals listed on the report wouldn't want anyone making their info easier to find.)  

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this one; it's an important point. Newspaper policy is that we post documents in the redacted state we receive them -- if the police or the courts blot something out, no problem, but it's a slippery slope once we start doing it too.

 Anon
Anon

Evolution doesn’t kill black people—black people kill black people.  And sometimes it is suicide by mouth.  I grew up in a town that at the time was more than 50% black, with irrational, under-educated and disenfranchised people like her. Sat in the same classes, played in the same parks, shopped at the same stores, walked on the same streets. I moved hundreds of miles from that town when I turned 18, haven’t been back, it is just a horrible memory now.  To obtain peace and justice you must practice peace and justice. This is a Biology class.  Not Sociology, Economics, History—no, not even Political Science or Law.  Her question (but NEVER her actions) would have been appropriate and even topic-worthy in one of those subjects.  But here in Biology class: her argument is invalid, and her logic absent.  And racist, self-righteous insanity is not a substitute for either.  What a waste.  FAU student Jonatha Carr should not be taking up space in college.  Is there anyone that thinks she helped her cause with this insanity, even in the least?  She made things worse for all concerned.  Hope Momma is proud!

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

You have no idea what you're talking about. Jonatha is not "under-educated" (she's way smarter than you, I'm afraid). She has been a tutor for Calculus and Chemistry (I know because I was her supervisor). 

She was having a psychotic episode. That was NOT how she was normally. You saw a 4-minute video. You know nothing about her. The real person that she is would NEVER do that in a sane state of mind. You people need to go about your business and stop drawing conclusions about "people like her" when you know nothing about her.

 Anon
Anon

I see.  You are a family member.  I am very sorry for you.  You Sarah dear, are now in my prayers.  I hope you feel better soon. 

 Anon
Anon

And no one said that JoJo is under-educated. Read, S L O W L Y.

ass

a college educated ass.  USA is doomed.

 Anon
Anon

Don't worry about it, sarah just needs some more of that finger licken chicken.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 Defending the indefensible is an arduous and futile exercise. What Jonatha displayed was what she is capable of. That was her. You can classify this as a random act of violence all you want, but that is not a viable defense for what she did that day. Maybe you don't know her that well.

Kozles
Kozles

Dear Kenny Powers,

You are why the internet is such a shitty place. Why are you sitting around bashing some girl having a breakdown? Get a life. She wasn't defending her behavior (it obviously was not acceptable behavior, that goes without saying) but trying to help people understand that this woman's mental illness doesn't define her as a person, and the real person that she normally is day-to-day was not in control. She was sharing this information because she knows her personally and others don't. She was trying to help others understand mental illness, which she herself is just learning about because of this.

mike
mike

i agree that she needs help.  the help she should get is consistent, repeated taser applications until she realizes that bad behavior gets bad results.  if that doesn't work, put her in the zoo with other un-tame-able beasts. (and before anyone inserts racism into this...don't. bad behavior is bad behavior. don't project your small-mindedness onto others)

Rachel Corrie
Rachel Corrie

 "Jewish people who think this world is there's which is not, I will fucking kill you at the holocaust events all over the world".

She wasn't far off the mark.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

Where is the skittles and iced tea protest for this? 

uh-huh
uh-huh

what the fuck? do you really not see the reason for the out-rage? how can you compare that to a black chick flipping the fuck out? I get that you're trying to be funny but, it wasn't. it was class-less.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 No, I wasn't attempting to be funny at all. Racism is multi directional. Any act of racism or perceived racism will attract attention. I would like to know where the universal outrage is for this event. This was not some murky form of racism. It was blatant.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 Oh Kozles. How is it that you are able to diagnose Jonatha with deniable plausibility, yet will not extend George Zimmerman the same level of your abilities.

Kozles
Kozles

Dear keny powers again,why would there be outrage for a person with a mental illness, having a breakdown they are not in control of, ANYWHERE NEAR the type of outrage for a murderer walking the streets? you make no sense.In this case, she's been arrested, charged, and expelled from school. that's more than murderer zimmerman. and that's why there's no protest. 

Christopher Neal
Christopher Neal

I am shocked that the above information is made public. So after her murderous racist rant we now know her home address, just in case some other crazy racist MFer wants to go give her a beatdown. Nice.

Political Dookie
Political Dookie

Are you serious. This ghetto ho freaked out and threatened people and you are worried about her?

Christopher Neal
Christopher Neal

I am in no way making an excuse for her actions, but there are some crazy as f*ck MFers out there who now know Jonatha's home address. I expect nothing good to come from this. Do I hate her? No. Am I worried about her due to the world now knowing where she lives? Yes.

Carol
Carol

are you just trolling or are you seriously that much of a douchebag?

Vettekid
Vettekid

She started it, she deserves what she gets. I really find it sickening that people are trying to defend her, making statements on her "good" character. Guess what, hate like that isn't born in the instant in which she snapped. That was obviously breeding and brooding for a long while. Its one thing to have an emotional outburst in class, everyone gets stressed, but it is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable to assault fellow students, and police officers in an institute of higher learning. Unfortunately this isn't an isolated instance, it has now got a multitude of attention from across the globe. I wonder what Al Sharpton and the rest of the NAACP have to say about this one, after all, they are the one supplying the proverbial koolaid. In which the youth of world has happily kept up. If you are truly against racism, stop using it as your proverbial scapegoat for furthering your own hate. If this video shows anything, black's are just as racist as white's this double standard needs to end. If the president comments on this, then its just going to be fucking rediculous.

Kiara Catlin
Kiara Catlin

I don't think either ethnicity should be collectively judged based on this video. Very few people are racist. People misuse the word. Racist people believe in superior and inferior persons. Most people are just prejudice but when it comes to the token of RACISM, like hate groups, crimes, etc I don't think any minority group is really leading in that area. The only solid racist groups in this country are Aryans/KKK etc. Everyone should be judged as individuals. She is racist or mentally ill or both. What do the president, Sharpton and NAACP have to do with this?

Anon
Anon

"The only solid racist groups in this country are Aryans/KKK etc"Last time I checked, arent the Black Panthers still around?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

Black people can be racist too, enough to form reform a hate group.  Much like the kkk eh?

/Thread

Christopher Neal
Christopher Neal

By the way, the president did comment on this yesterday and yes, it was fucking ridiculous.

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

Of course it's unacceptable behavior, and she would never do that in a sane state of mind. It's clearly a psychotic episode, and if you'd ever met her before (and she wasn't black, as I'm guessing you're a racist fuck), you'd agree. Get a life and stop trying to bring down mentally ill college students from your anonymous internet profile.

scrub_basher
scrub_basher

Sarah you sound like the typical pathetic modern psychiatrist hypocrite.  You are calling him a "racist fuck" yet YOU, being the gigantic hypocrite that you are, defend someone whose words were advocating genocide.  Go slither back to your dark hole.  

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

Anon: Well, here's a thought: your phrase "cognitive thought" is a tautology, because by definition thought is cognitive. The word 'cognitive' is redundant. Or, someone like you might say "a redundant tautology," if he had the vocabulary to do so.

And Heather: Jonatha is not enrolled in school anymore, and that's probably best for her right now. You don't have to be online worrying about it. However, let me assure you she never got a free ride. As an SI leader (like all of the SI leaders), she worked extremely hard to hold study sessions for traditionally difficult courses in chemistry and math for very little pay. For over a year I worked with her, and she was an asset to FAU for providing these services.

If I haven't made this clear, I COMPLETELY understand seeing the video and making the assumption that she is just a nasty person all the time. I'm trying to share my experience so people will understand. What I DON'T understand is seeing a 4 minute video and then sitting around online making fun of someone and drawing conclusions about black people or her generation.

Christopher Neal
Christopher Neal

@ Anon: Speaking of cognitive thought, my math skills tell me that "kittens" answer was five words, not four.

Anon
Anon

Wow kittens, really?  You think your sorry four word excuse is a valid rebuttal?  You seem to be able to form a cognitive thought just as well as Jonatha Carr.  Are you going to plead temporary insanity as well?

gofugyourshellfish
gofugyourshellfish

nutjobs don't get free passes in college. that's what you want, and it ain't happening. "It's not okay, but I'm okay with it". Idiot.

Anon
Anon

Niggers, that is all.

Kittens
Kittens

Anon: you're a dumb fuck

Anon
Anon

 Oh and one more thing, by the way you speak, you obviously know her, or are possibly are friends with her.  Don't you think you can do more to help her than, defending her on the internet.  Which isn't, nor was it ever, a "politically correct" place to hold a conversation.  Oh and your "black and white" comment below made me chuckle, because Janatha Carr saw the world pretty "black and white" that day eh?  What do you expect when your parents were killed by evolution?

meowmixalots
meowmixalots

KPII: If someone YOU knew to be a kind, humble, thoughtful, intelligent person 99% of the time be vilified on the internet like this, I'd like to see you maintain your composure at all times. I know you are having a hard time accepting this, but the world isn't always cut-and-dry, black-and-white. It IS possible for someone to have a psychotic episode where they are not in control of themselves. It is possible for that person to otherwise be a wonderful person. This is hard for me to believe too, and I had never seen it before this. You need to accept that you are wrong, try to see something from someone else's point of view, and move along. Perhaps you should get back to complaining about the uproar over a child being murdered. The internet needs you.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 Racist fuck? Nice tactic. Now you are making the case against yourself as the voice of reason.

Anon
Anon

YOU GOT TROLLED

Yolove71
Yolove71

Now i know people pull stuff clear out the rectum...put things in perspective. the woman is obviously insane. what would you like al sharpton and the NAACP to say? both of the names you mentioned are a non factor in the black community. 

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