Florida House Passes Abortion Bill, Tries to Stuff Its Incorrect Notions Into Doctors' Mouths

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The Florida House passed HB 277 yesterday, moving a bill on to the Senate that not only tells doctors what they need to tell their patients but forces them to tell their patients things that, according to doctors who actually know stuff, just aren't true.

Although the bill also includes a mandatory 24-hour waiting period for abortions, the strangest section comes 11 pages into the bill's text -- a provision forcing doctors to inform women seeking abortions after 20 or more weeks of pregnancy that their fetus can feel pain and explain exactly which portions of the abortion procedure could theoretically hurt the fetus.

The problem? At 20 weeks, according to the American Medical Association, fetuses can't feel anything.

The bill says that "by 20 weeks gestational age, the fetus possesses all the anatomical structures, including pain receptors, spinal cord, nerve tracts, thalamus, and cortex, that are necessary to feel pain" and requires doctors to tell their patients such. But that's a lot like looking at a chair, a gas tank, and a steering wheel and saying you've got a road trip.

The bill also forces doctors to tell patients that "there is evidence that, by 20 weeks of gestational age, fetuses seek to evade certain stimuli in a matter that, in an infant or an adult, would be interpreted as a response to pain."

Ah, good. The legislative equivalent of "Did it just flinch? I think it flinched. Kinda looked like flinching."

And what doctors aren't forced to tell patients about? That time the Journal of the American Medical Association published a clinical study specifically debunking the notion that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks, a study done because legislators were going around saying things like this -- five years ago.

A House analysis of the bill does note the study but says the bill is supported by different studies that have found evidence of hormonal stress responses and fetuses recoiling from "noxious stimuli" at 20 weeks.

Surprisingly, the staff analysis leaves out the portion of the American Medical Association study that says that "neither withdrawal reflexes nor hormonal stress responses to invasive procedures prove the existence of fetal pain."

I'm not saying this is silly because of a wild murderous hippie loyalty to the pro-choice agenda. It's silly because an elected group of lawyers, retirees, and members of local chambers of commerce is essentially picking up a medical issue, looking doctors, patients, and medical researchers in the eye and saying, without a hint of irony, "Nah, we know better than you do."

All because, according to the House analysis, "there are studies that suggest that a fetus may have the physical structures to be capable to feel pain by the gestational age of between 20-24 weeks."

Apparently, that's good enough.


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Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

 And another pro life argument has been proven utterly false, namely their idea that abortion leads to mental illness.  Turns out that study was completely fabricated.Just read about it here today.http://news.yahoo.com/abortion...

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Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Gotta love how the right fright wing just LOVES everything and will do anything to protect it..as long as it stays in the womb.  The minute its out, they start complaining about the welfare state and why hasnt that baby started to pay its own way.Im sorry, but I prefer to listen to actual doctors and scientists over these overblown blowhards who cant figure out if having sex in the bathroom is still in the closet or out of it.And to top it all off, they only want abstinence only sex ed, something proven not to work, and want to ban all forms of contraception.This is just more proof of their desire to turn this into the world of Idiocracy.  Because stupid people are easier to control than those of us who have thoughts in our head. 

FQS9000
FQS9000

More abortions = fewer Democrats.  I'm for it.

Rphl
Rphl

they also want less government, except when it comes to social issues like this

Native
Native

Based on the apparent standard the AMA is using it would be impossible to prove a fetus feels pain short of an interview under oath of the fetus.  You could apply their standard to an adult who is smacked in the face, screams, puts their hand to their face, and emits stress hormones, and conclude that's not proof of pain.

spudnixx
spudnixx

As Florida politicians have a long history of knowing more than doctors, I think we could solve a lot of problems if we mandated that when they needed medical treatment, they had to see other politicians for those procedures.

Tbonop
Tbonop

hope this is an opinion piece and not an article because it is beyond belief... you need to educate yourselfvarious scientists have estimated that pain becomes possible anywhere from 18 to 29

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 18 to 29? Oh, that is why the selective service draft age was set at 18.

Chaz Stevens, Genius
Chaz Stevens, Genius

Kindly cite your references.  Excluding some noteworthy medicals tomes such as the bible.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 The less abortions the more future residents for the legislators to hate. The hate begins, immediately, post womb.

FQS9000
FQS9000

This is a bad bill.  The more abortions, the fewer potential Democrats, as low class Democrat sluts are the ones who typically use abortions to exterminate their bastards to be.  Smarter women have heard of the pill and condoms and those ladies are Republicans.

amazinjess
amazinjess

You are Republican that should have been aborted but because of Republican Conservative ideals your mother was forced to have you and a passle of other kids that should have been aborted. 

Curiousss
Curiousss

FQS9000: Rush, is that you? I was under the impression Republicans are against the pill, preferring their women to to place an aspirin between their knees. How did you celebrate your holiday yesterday (National Pig Day)? Rooting around in you own filth, no doubt. 

FQS9000
FQS9000

Nah, the pill and condoms are just fine.  I am absolutely in favor of dumb sluts sucking their wombs out and flushing away future Democrats.  Go Planned Parenthood!!!!

Chaz Stevens, Genius
Chaz Stevens, Genius

By ladies, I presume you mean the Larry Craigs of the GOP?

FQS9000
FQS9000

If absolutely do not mean ladies of the evening like you.

Rphl
Rphl

I think he means Sarah Palin's daughter.

FQS9000
FQS9000

Palin's kid will vote Republican.  I rest my case.

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