Allen West Suddenly So Concerned About Due Process, Condemns New Black Panther Party Ransom on George Zimmerman

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Allen West: Buddy-buddy with Outlaws motorcycle gang, not OK with New Black Panthers.
​Congressman Allen West took to Facebook this afternoon to "vehemently condemn" the $10,000 bounty put out by the New Black Panther Party for the "citizen's arrest" of George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon Martin.

West called the ransom "reprehensible" and called on the Department of Justice to prosecute the group, which he's said in the past should be put on the terror watch list.

"To openly solicit for the death of an American citizen, with reward, is not in keeping with the laws of due process which governs this Constitutional Republic," West wrote. "However, this is to be expected when irrational voices dominate our public dialogue and are fueled by an ideological driven media."

Ah, yes. It's the media that's driven by ideology and irrational voices. Congress and the Tea Party are certainly immune.

West also supported federal investigation of the Martin case last week. But for all this talk of due process, West was silent when it came time to speak out against the National Defense Authorization Act, which, depending on whom you ask, totally has the potential to officially codify the U.S. military's ability to detain everyone, including American citizens, suspected of terrorism without a trial. Screw due process.

There's no point in repeating the arguments over NDAA and indefinite detention -- Salon's Glenn Greenwald broke it down, with bountiful citations, a few months ago. If you don't feel like clicking on the link, here are the Cliff's Notes:

-- There are two separate sections of the NDAA that deal with indefinite detention.

-- Section 1022 contains the most clear-cut language for indefinite detention of Americans: It states that anyone the president determines to be part of a terrorist organization who "participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners" must be held "in military custody pending disposition under the law of war."

-- The section does say that "the requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States." But even though the bill is brutally long and specific, there isn't anything that says indefinite detention is not an option.

There were two amendments proposed in the Senate to make this language more specific. Both were thrown out (with Marco Rubio's help).

In any case, West totally voted for the bill, and Obama signed it on New Year's Eve. Though West didactically read from the bill to supporters in an attempt to prove he wasn't helping the government do a salsa all over habeas corpus, it doesn't sound like anybody's been convinced about the bill's danger. And where is the commitment to due process he's supporting in the Trayvon Martin case when it comes to Americans or the 150-plus "enemy combatants" being held in Cuba without charges?


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FQS9000
FQS9000

Terrorists are not common criminals who deserve due process, trials, limited prison terms and eventual release.  Criminals kill when motivated by greed, lust or insanity. 

Terrorists are not soldiers who deserve treatment according to the Geneva Convention.  Soldiers kill when authorized by the sitting government of a nation and wear a uniform.

Terrorists murder innocent people to win political goals they can not gain thru the political process because the vast majority of people do not agree with them.

Terrorists are vermin.  They deserve the consideration given to rats, termites, mosquitoes and fire ants.  They should be instantly killed whenever they are found, as they are a mortal threat to every woman, child and man, can not be cured and threat of punishment does not deter them.

West is right.

Anyone who thinks a terrorist deserves help, a trial, a prison term and eventual release is a fool and should be manacled to a terrorist so they can get to know them intimately.

I vehemently support any measure that strips a terrorists of rights and treats them like the vermin they are.

Philogical
Philogical

Reading this Blog is like reading Pravda or Izvestia. Thisis a typical hatchet job by a member of the hate filled Liberal fringe. Lt. ColonelWest was and is a hero to his men he is and will remain an honorable man. Onlya lily livered coward and an anti-American leftist sleaze ball would even endeavorto attack a man of his stature. The Leftists among us don't know what real menare, so they feel threatened by that aura which they can't quite identify. Duty,Honor, Country, Responsibility, Commitment, and Sacrifice, they wonder aboutthose familiar sounding yet baffling words since they have no reference point theycan look to within their own liberal ranks who reflects these traits. What sadlittle people they are.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

Ummmmm............. posse comitatus? anyone?

Then there is the good old habeas corpus suspension.

Did Westy actually commit a random act of lucidity?

VVV PR
VVV PR

 That makes 2 honest comments you are blocking.  Payback, I can assure you, WILL be a bitch.  And there will be nothing Nutcase Allen West can do to help you.

VVV PR
VVV PR

 That makes 2 honest comments you are blocking.  Payback, I can assure you, WILL be a bitch.  And there will be nothing Nutcase Allen West can do to help you.

VVV PR
VVV PR

That makes 2 honest comments you are blocking.  Payback, I can assure you, WILL be a bitch.  And there will be nothing Nutcase Allen West can do to help you.

VVV PR
VVV PR

Who owns this publication?  Post our previous comment, or expose yourself. TRUST US:  If you do not do the former, we WILL do the latter.  You have 12 hours.

Banole
Banole

Allen West is a classic "American negro"..............those who don't quite understand the use of the the term "classic American negro" should ask somebody to explain it to you.It is far worse then a "classic Uncle Tom".

VVV PR
VVV PR

Allen West belongs in an asylum, not Congress.  Why?  Because he is not only crooked - like everyone else in Congress - but crazy as a loon.  Allen West is a mad dog, and should be dealt with accordingly...

David Gross
David Gross

This guy needs to be stepped on like the COCKROACH that he is

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

It seems like you're mixing up "terrorists" and "accused terrorists." Somebody blows up a school bus, fine, fuck 'em, you can be as mad as you want and use your manacles and have a great time; I'd probably be right there with you.

But I think it's an absolute embarrassment that the United States, a country where politicians use the word "freedom" more than most pronouns, can allow the military to simply decide who gets locked away in towers without anyone having to prove anything.

Lifelong Dem
Lifelong Dem

Like Timothy McVeigh, the Unibomber, and the fanatics who murder abortion providers? Terrorists like those?

nanook5
nanook5

 west tortured a man and shows absolutely no regret for it. fits the definition of a terrorist to me.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 Just threw up on my keyboard. Damn you Phil.

Chaz Stevens, Genius
Chaz Stevens, Genius

>> Lt. Colonel West was and is a hero to his men he is and will remain an honorable man

That's some good usage of the English language!

Next time, try the "comma".  Don't be shy...  It's your friend.

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

I was startled by how offended I was by this comment. Usually stupid people come here yelling about how I eat paint chips and it just rolls off. I'm genuinely annoyed by you, Philogical, congratulations.

You've hit all the hollow talking points of people who can't argue any better, but I think all us "sad little people" could use some facts to back up your name calling. If you're going to copy and paste meaningless comments that don't address the issues, fine, but don't expect me to be swayed by them.

If you've got any actual points to make, this particular anti-American leftist sleaze ball is all ears.

nanook5
nanook5

 and war crimes. real men commit war crimes. but you're wrong. there's plenty of leftist war criminals who justify atrocity through empty phrases like "honor" "responsibility" and especially "country."

MoralRecession.com
MoralRecession.com

   Perhaps you should have used this forum to explain "American negro" to the ignorant. Not sure how much time I'm going to spend looking for someone to define it for me.

FQS9000
FQS9000

When an act of terrorist occurs, the government should prove to the Supreme Court that it is an act of terrorism.  If that finding is made, all that the terrorists are due under the law is to demonstrate they knew what was going to happen and their identity.  It should be acceptable to torture terrorists to expose the extent of the ring.

Terrorists should not ever be given a normal trial, as they have NO RIGHTS to one.  No jury, just a judge.  No right to a counsel.  No rights to an appeal.  No revue by the Supreme Court.  No right to confront witnesses.  No right to a pardon.  Sentence imposed immediately.  And to get the attention of these vermin who are willing to die for their cause, all of their blood relatives are also executed.

Terrorism has to STOP, as it is affecting all of our lives by limiting our freedom.  Just go the airport and look at the budget of the TSA.

The penalty for committing a terrorist act must be so dacronian that these insane, evil people decide that their cause is not worth sacrificing the lives of their families.

    

Chaz Stevens, Genius
Chaz Stevens, Genius

The United States wasn't just a signer of various Human Rights treaties.  We were the leader...  We set the standard.  The world looked up to us in envy.

Now?  Not so much.

Leemart
Leemart

West got the information he needed to save his platoon. I applaud him for using whatever scare tactics he used to get that information. Note that he used scare tactics, not physical force.The fear of a bullet in the crotch is very powerful! Just as waterboarding should never have been outlawed. It gets the desired results withoutnactually causing physical harm. Go West!!!

FQS9000
FQS9000

If true, good for West.

Prof. G
Prof. G

Rich, rule No. 1 is: Never get into a battle of wits when your opponent is obviously unarmed.

Prof. G
Prof. G

The Supreme Court of the United States of America has already ruled that the noncombatants confined at Guantanamo Bay have certain legal rights of due process. It's the law of the land now, so get used to it. America -- love it or leave it.

Chaz Stevens, Genius
Chaz Stevens, Genius

You are just plain fucking freaky...

Do you dress up as Ted Kazinsky for Halloween?  Bet you already have the aviator glasses.

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

It seems like you're just making up a new justice system for people accused of a specific crime -- why don't terrorism suspects, particularly American citizens, have a right to a "normal trial"? Is everyone accused of terrorism automatically guilty? You want to kill a person's entire family without any legal oversight? I'd rather have terrorism. At least we'd still be the good guys.

FQS9000
FQS9000

Chaz, like always, you are long on personal insults and absent on intelligent comments.  Once again, you have demonstrated that you are a fool and a dullard.  It must be very sad to be you.

KennyPowersII
KennyPowersII

 or never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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