Allen West Says Military Leaders Should Be "Very Careful" About Following Orders

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Rep. Allen Bernard West
In Rep. Allen West's view of the military, there's apparently a choice to follow orders handed down to you.

Everyone's pretty aware of West's "incident" in Iraq, but now he's saying other people in the military should "be careful" about following orders, or possibly quitting because they don't like what's going on.

In another one of West's regularly scheduled appearances on the right-wing airwaves, West was complaining about President Obama yet again, this time on the subject of the new military strategy announced last week.

"And you know I've had a lot of people ask me about that because the responsibility of our senior generals has to be to the men and women in uniform," West said. "They have to be very careful about blindly following a commander in chief that really does not have the best intent for our military."

The show's host, Mark Levin, then went on to clear up West's comments so the "liberal haters don't screw this up."

"What we're saying is they should consider stepping down," Levin said.

West replied, "Well, yeah."

As you can imagine, what West appears to be advocating isn't exactly legal, but what he's saying is strange to say the least.

Check out the audio and transcript from that one.

Also, make sure to watch West's analysis of the Denver Broncos game this weekend, and what he thinks Tim Tebow could teach people in Washington.


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LibturdsAreAllDrones
LibturdsAreAllDrones

Where were the WMD's in Libya?  Nobamas getting that oil. The Globalist NWO leader bypassed congress to get that oil. He knows the government will make over $1 a gallon in taxes if he gets that oil. Oil companies only make  7 cents per gallon. yeah big bad oil companies.. I see drones like  Pecker Pete  trying to lamely justify Nobamas illegal war there.  Our planes participated and you know the CIA and Special forces were on the ground as "advisers" Notice how Pete  down palys our involvement like we were not even there..LMFAO. Yet it was Nobamas idea. He should have been impeached for bypassing congress. Why didn't Nobama attack Iran during the two uprisings under his watch? I would say they are ready for regime change along with Syria. If Nobama had a brain he would approve the oil pipeline from Canada.. it makes nothing but sense. Then we can get out of the Middle East  completely and drop all ties with terrorist supporting Saudi and  remove our troops there.  The Empty Suit is an utter and complete failure.

laughingattheleft
laughingattheleft

Apparently the author is wildly ignorant about what is and isn't legal for the military.  Blindly following orders, particularity those that are illegal (as in un-Constitutional), requires they refuse to obey, even at the risk of their life or career.  This is basic soldiering 101when I was in.  So if they feel the CIC is making illegal demands, or ones not in the best interests of America, they should speak out, and step down.Based on the comments I have read here, there's some very ignorant folks posting.

Philip lewis
Philip lewis

Rep West is correct.  Look at the Vietnam history of the military "blindy" following orders..  In one event an entire village was killed by America military.  The men that did that used the defense that they were following orders.  The Court disagree and they were convicted of murder and sent to jail.  I have not heard if any of them have been released.The Court ruled that members of the military have the responiblity to not obey any order(s) that violate the law.

Froggleggers
Froggleggers

 Like you said Delusional people out there. How long have "you" been this way? Your version comes with a heavy does of arrogance as well. Go suck on a Teabagger, you seem to have a infatuation with em. That might knock the edge off for ya.   

Daniella Gabriel
Daniella Gabriel

Most all these comments are crazy, except Sally Ryde! This is why Allen was beaten on and made to bow out!! WAKE UP!! He was bringing out the truth, like this, that many people are in denial about. I very much liked him! He was ALL about small govt and free market everyone! OPEN YOU EYES! Now we got Rick Santorum and he has great morals, believes in small govt and free trade! He has a great plan to make US made products cheaper and more competitive to like China because he has plans to stop the taxes on small businesses and stop ALL the stupid regulations that cost so much!

Jonathan Willard
Jonathan Willard

You libtards always crack me up. None of you hardly ever join the military and those that do never ever truly become soldiers and have real understanding of the military. Let me, a 14 year vet clue you in. You do have a choice in following orders. See, theres two kinds of orders. Theres "lawful" orders and theres "unlawful" orders. According the Uniform Code of Military Justice servicemen are duty bound to disobey unlawful orders. You are required to disobey them. 

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs... 

Educate yourselves libtards.

robin Grace
robin Grace

You folks didn't read the article..all of it.  you are headline junkies and news outlets love you for it, because they can lead you down any path they want you to go. 

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Sigh..Cant fix stupid.  Tea baggers seem to have their own current history in their head brought on by paranoid delusions brought on by their corporate right wing masters.  Special forces in Libya?  Never happened.  And even if it did, shouldnt they be happy?  Meant the end of another country that sponsored terrorism, an ACTUAL one, not like Iraq. 

No, it was the United Nations and elements of NATO who did the air strikes while the US did at best support.

You would think they would love Obama for taking down other terrorist networks, but no since they think that proves he is working with them.

Delusional people out there.  Though, as is usual, only a small handful that are very apt at screaming.  Funny since these are the only ones who are willing to support a war criminal like Alan West. 

For the record, yes, he WAS drummed out of the military for committing war crimes.  He was just lucky that Bush and Cheney were trying to get away with it at the same time or he would still be in Leavenworth Prison.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Sigh..Cant fix stupid.  Tea baggers seem to have their own current history in their head brought on by paranoid delusions brought on by their corporate right wing masters.  Special forces in Libya?  Never happened.  And even if it did, shouldnt they be happy?  Meant the end of another country that sponsored terrorism, an ACTUAL one, not like Iraq.  No, it was the United Nations and elements of NATO who did the air strikes while the US did at best support.You would think they would love Obama for taking down other terrorist networks, but no since they think that proves he is working with them.Delusional people out there.  Though, as is usual, only a small handful that are very apt at screaming.  Funny since these are the only ones who are willing to support a war criminal like Alan West.  For the record, yes, he WAS drummed out of the military for committing war crimes.  He was just lucky that Bush and Cheney were trying to get away with it at the same time or he would still be in Leavenworth Prison.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Sigh..Cant fix stupid.  Tea baggers seem to have their own current history in their head brought on by paranoid delusions brought on by their corporate right wing masters.  Special forces in Libya?  Never happened.  And even if it did, shouldnt they be happy?  Meant the end of another country that sponsored terrorism, an ACTUAL one, not like Iraq.  No, it was the United Nations and elements of NATO who did the air strikes while the US did at best support.You would think they would love Obama for taking down other terrorist networks, but no since they think that proves he is working with them.Delusional people out there.  Though, as is usual, only a small handful that are very apt at screaming.  Funny since these are the only ones who are willing to support a war criminal like Alan West.  For the record, yes, he WAS drummed out of the military for committing war crimes.  He was just lucky that Bush and Cheney were trying to get away with it at the same time or he would still be in Leavenworth Prison.

Shotpusher
Shotpusher

Any one who takes our Founding Documents seriously (evidently our current temporary president and senate does not), would see no problem with the stated opinion of Congressman West. The whims of a transient politician is not necessarily constitutional. Our military is charged to uphold the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. The Hague is frequented by people who blindly "follow orders".

Jim Biggar
Jim Biggar

You liberal, kool-aid drinking idiots (especially you Pete Pepper), are a bunch of spineless cowards that would not last 30 seconds in any branch of our fine military! You know nothing about History, Military law, or current events....let alone the Constitution of the United States.I'm a retired Army Officer and Combat veteran of Iraq, and I would have been proud to have served under the command of LTC Allen West.

Jim Biggar
Jim Biggar

To all you military hating liberal idiots, and those that have never served; here's why Allen West's statements are factually correct:

The difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders!!Officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States!!

Steev127
Steev127

Go Allen West ! You pukes can try to twist all you want but the fact remains Allen West is a true patriot and public servant and knows people like you are trying to destroy the country to usher in your sick socialism /communism . That you would try to smear Allen Wests name makes you a disgusting little pimple .

Bill Dawson
Bill Dawson

Soldiers take an oath to defend the Constitution. If the Commander in Chief gives unlawful orders, orders which violate the Constitution, then soldiers should not follow those orders. It never ceases to amaze me when Obama supporters criticize others for (as they see it) breaking the law. Obama trashes the Constitution in word and deed, the latest instance being his "recess appointment" made while the Senate was in session. If Congress had any backbone, they would impeach and convict Obama on any one of several high crimes he has committed.

Shane Comeback
Shane Comeback

Some here are not worthy to spit shine West's shoes.

Shane Comeback
Shane Comeback

Some here are not worthy to spit shine West's shoes.

El_jujo
El_jujo

epic treason by west already has been done. Anyone who thinks that voting for the NDAA was right in any way,shape or form............is a military control freak and not a lover of the REPUBLIC. Caesar wore a uniform too. 

Sam
Sam

typical...bunch of idiot no nothing liberals once again running off at the mouth...

Sam
Sam

apparently?  Whoever the moron is that wrote this article, he/she should be forced to attend a Law of the Land class...We are taught moron NOT to follow ILLEGAL orders...

MD
MD

This is def. a liberal/progressive site!  West is no traitor and this Marxist we have in office has you all glamoured.  Military officials have an obligation to follow and protect our Constitution.  Something Barry is dismantling while you watch football.  So, what most of you are saying is that our soldiers and those in high ranking positions should be good 'lil Nazis and follow all orders regardless of their moral obligation...typical lib mentality. 

JohnNFlorida
JohnNFlorida

Of the 26 officers and soldiers initially charged for their part in the My Lai Massacre or the subsequent cover-up, only Calley was convicted. Ultimately, Calley served only three and a half years of house arrest in his quarters at Fort Benning. He petitioned the federal district court for habeas corpus on February 11, 1974, which was granted on September 25, 1974, along with his immediate release, by federal judge J. Robert Elliott. Judge Elliott found that Calley's trial had been prejudiced by pretrial publicity, denial of subpoenas of certain defense witnesses, refusal of the United States House of Representatives to release testimony taken in executive session of its My Lai investigation, and inadequate notice of the charges.

nanook5
nanook5

west's buddies committed similar atrocities in iraq, and he's done nothing but commend them.

Retired Soldier
Retired Soldier

He is not a war criminal; he was not convicted of any crimes.

You are too much of an ideologue to understand the real issues at hand. You are the type who would blindly follow orders from a Stalin because he supported your left-wing ideology. Would you blindly follow orders to fire upon American citizens who were peacefully protesting the current administration? Yes, it is a rhetorical question. That is why the military remains non-ideological, to prevent things like that from happening. The military takes an oath to support and uphold the Constitution of the United States. It is not to the President or to the Congress or to the Supreme Court.  May I suggest you spend some time in the military so that you might learn to understand these things?

MD
MD

Take down the terrorist networks??  Obama openly supported and cheered for Egypts "revolution" that has now lit the whole Middle East region on fire.  Good job Barry.  The Muslim Brotherhood is now in place along with other terrorist countires jumping on board and taking advantage of the chaos. And in comes Sharia Law. This is his purpose in office.  Read his book.  If I were a soldier under Lt. Col West, I'd kiss the ground he walked on for protecting his own troops from being killed.  He fired his gun...big f'ing deal!!  It's not like we are killing, hanging, charring bodies and dragging them thru the streets of Fallujah.  Big war criminal, huh?  The thing is, that is all anyone has on him.Libya is now in the same situation as Egypt.  Great job supporting NATO as well.  And I'll say it again.  Special Forces were on their soil.  Stop being lazy and look it up.  CNN won't tell you.  BTW, the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization sponsored by Hamas and Al Quaida.  So much for ridding the bad guys!  If anything, he empowered his brothers where they are also wreaking havoc in France, Australia, England...Your eyes are wide shut and I'm not sure if your just a troll trying to rattle cages or if you are really un-informed and pathetic.  Not 2 weeks out of Iraq... and guess what??  Thanks Barry, job well done assisting global unrest.  BTW, why is his name Barry?

Poncho
Poncho

You are pathetic Petey Pecker. Self righteous people like you who think you know all are a major problem in America. You know nothing about the military (obviously) yet you roll your "facts" off you glib tongue in an extremely arrogant fashion. Why don't you go flush yourself Pete....you strike me as something that would fit it well in a septic system.

Toni
Toni

peter peeper........   go drink some more kool-aid.

Toni
Toni

Peter Peeper...a real liberal moron.

Poncho
Poncho

100% agreed Jim. Vietnam Veteran myself. Thank you for your service my Brother. Sad to understand you and I and many, many more REAL Americans served, and many of our Brothers and Sisters died so that idiots like Pitiful Petey Pepper could sit in a nice warm home and spout off about subjects he knows nothing about. Wouldn't mind meeting Petey some day.........

Diogenes6670
Diogenes6670

Your statement that "Officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States!!" is taken verbatim from a Wikipedia article and should at least have been attributed to its original source, which is an article, not any body of case law.  Actually, as a retired military JAG officer, I can say with some certainty that ALL people in the service of the United States (officer or enlisted, combat arms or not) are duty bound to disobey illegal orders.  There is a large body of decisional law that supports this position.

Diogenes6670
Diogenes6670

Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

Bebep
Bebep

President Bush made 171 recess appointments.

Did Glenn Beck babble about this on the radio?

It's cute when you mindless drones learn new words.

Bebep
Bebep

Pot meet kettle.

Rose
Rose

yep they got diarea of the brains

Sam
Sam

oh yes...read the moronic statements and you find not one of them understands the Law of the Land as it applies to the military..

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Once again I am forced to ask knowing I will NEVER get an answer.  How is President Obama dismantling anything?  The fact remains that all that you have is right wing propaganda. 

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Actually he WAS convicted, but they beat it down to lesser charges.  And no, he was NOT honorably discharged, just discharged and fined.Funny you mention shooting opponents, is that not what tea baggers are all calling for?  Remember those "second amendment solutions" dont you?And I know you have no concept of who or what Stalin really was or you would not even think about comparing our president to him.And the oath the military serves under DOES include the President (the Commander and Chief) as well as Congress and the Supreme Court.  Those were all formed BY the Constitution.Have you not learned whats actually in there?  Damn man, your sounding very illiterate.

Toni
Toni

peter peeper knows nothing about islam or shariah law...he's too stupid.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Oh no, those mean old tea baggers are calling me names since they cant debate properly.  Whatever shall I do? 

Philip Lewis
Philip Lewis

In recess Yes, but NOT while the Senate was In SESSION.

Poncho
Poncho

Pete Pepper Pecker.....You are one of the dumbest individuals I have ever "met". You arfe part of the OWS crowd aren't you? You know absolutely nothing about the United States military and you prove it every time you put your little pinky of the key board. Special Forces....shut your mouth. You have no right to even mention those men. You will never amount to as much as a pimple on the ass of a SEAL or a Green Beret. Careful little man...one could be living next door, and you may piss him off. Illegal orders is a fact. The examples given here sound extreme, right? Don't bet on it bubba.

Shotpusher
Shotpusher

Bypassing congress with executive orders, most of the things he has ordered the EPA to do against us, going into Libya w/o approval of congress, suing Arizona because they want to do the job he has failed to do, making recess appointments when congress is NOT in recess, killing US citizens abroad without due process. And all these terrorists he is killing should be grilled first for intelligence not immediately killed, grilled on foreign soil so self hating Americans won't start a ribbon campaign for them.

Sam
Sam

I'll tell you...Obamacare...Class warfare...Not enforcing our border laws...I could go on but I rather talk to a fence post.  That object would have a higher IQ and aptitude then you will ever have...

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

What session?  They went in for 30 seconds and literally ignored the call to actually work by the dems.  Sorry, but republicans throwing temper tantrums is not an actual session.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Well as usual, when shown the facts that NONE of what you claim is going is actually happening, you resort to frothing at the mouth and gibbering about nothing.  I fear no man, no matter what his service.  Did I ever say anything wrong about the Special Forces?  No, I did not.  What I said is they were NEVER IN LIBYA DURING THE REVOLUTION!Damn fools.Now, as to bypassing Congress, that is utter BS.  Executive orders are in fact part of what the office of President actually DOES.  EVERY President has done this.  An as for Congress being in session..yeah for ten seconds?  The repubs, maintaining their policy of "no" to everything, are playing, not actually working or really in session.  What Arizona pulled is unconstitutional, which is why that law is being struck down.  And you fools know as well as I do that there is no taking any of these terrorists alive.  They are willing to blow themselves up, how do you think they will react to Special Forces showing up?  Remember the original idea WAS to catch Bin Lauden alive, the SEAL team had no choice but to shoot since they were being shot at.The way I see it, tea baggers need to remove head from ass and actually start paying attention to what is going on instead of parroting whatever they are told.  It makes you look really bad.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Well as usual, when shown the facts that NONE of what you claim is going is actually happening, you resort to frothing at the mouth and gibbering about nothing.  I fear no man, no matter what his service.  Did I ever say anything wrong about the Special Forces?  No, I did not.  What I said is they were NEVER IN LIBYA DURING THE REVOLUTION!Damn fools.Now, as to bypassing Congress, that is utter BS.  Executive orders are in fact part of what the office of President actually DOES.  EVERY President has done this.  An as for Congress being in session..yeah for ten seconds?  The repubs, maintaining their policy of "no" to everything, are playing, not actually working or really in session.  What Arizona pulled is unconstitutional, which is why that law is being struck down.  And you fools know as well as I do that there is no taking any of these terrorists alive.  They are willing to blow themselves up, how do you think they will react to Special Forces showing up?  Remember the original idea WAS to catch Bin Lauden alive, the SEAL team had no choice but to shoot since they were being shot at.The way I see it, tea baggers need to remove head from ass and actually start paying attention to what is going on instead of parroting whatever they are told.  It makes you look really bad.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Well as usual, when shown the facts that NONE of what you claim is going is actually happening, you resort to frothing at the mouth and gibbering about nothing.  I fear no man, no matter what his service.  Did I ever say anything wrong about the Special Forces?  No, I did not.  What I said is they were NEVER IN LIBYA DURING THE REVOLUTION!Damn fools.Now, as to bypassing Congress, that is utter BS.  Executive orders are in fact part of what the office of President actually DOES.  EVERY President has done this.  An as for Congress being in session..yeah for ten seconds?  The repubs, maintaining their policy of "no" to everything, are playing, not actually working or really in session.  What Arizona pulled is unconstitutional, which is why that law is being struck down.  And you fools know as well as I do that there is no taking any of these terrorists alive.  They are willing to blow themselves up, how do you think they will react to Special Forces showing up?  Remember the original idea WAS to catch Bin Lauden alive, the SEAL team had no choice but to shoot since they were being shot at.The way I see it, tea baggers need to remove head from ass and actually start paying attention to what is going on instead of parroting whatever they are told.  It makes you look really bad.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Well as usual, when shown the facts that NONE of what you claim is going is actually happening, you resort to frothing at the mouth and gibbering about nothing.  I fear no man, no matter what his service.  Did I ever say anything wrong about the Special Forces?  No, I did not.  What I said is they were NEVER IN LIBYA DURING THE REVOLUTION!Damn fools.Now, as to bypassing Congress, that is utter BS.  Executive orders are in fact part of what the office of President actually DOES.  EVERY President has done this.  An as for Congress being in session..yeah for ten seconds?  The repubs, maintaining their policy of "no" to everything, are playing, not actually working or really in session.  What Arizona pulled is unconstitutional, which is why that law is being struck down.  And you fools know as well as I do that there is no taking any of these terrorists alive.  They are willing to blow themselves up, how do you think they will react to Special Forces showing up?  Remember the original idea WAS to catch Bin Lauden alive, the SEAL team had no choice but to shoot since they were being shot at.The way I see it, tea baggers need to remove head from ass and actually start paying attention to what is going on instead of parroting whatever they are told.  It makes you look really bad.

Pete Pepper
Pete Pepper

Well as usual, when shown the facts that NONE of what you claim is going is actually happening, you resort to frothing at the mouth and gibbering about nothing.  I fear no man, no matter what his service.  Did I ever say anything wrong about the Special Forces?  No, I did not.  What I said is they were NEVER IN LIBYA DURING THE REVOLUTION!Damn fools.Now, as to bypassing Congress, that is utter BS.  Executive orders are in fact part of what the office of President actually DOES.  EVERY President has done this.  An as for Congress being in session..yeah for ten seconds?  The repubs, maintaining their policy of "no" to everything, are playing, not actually working or really in session.  What Arizona pulled is unconstitutional, which is why that law is being struck down.  And you fools know as well as I do that there is no taking any of these terrorists alive.  They are willing to blow themselves up, how do you think they will react to Special Forces showing up?  Remember the original idea WAS to catch Bin Lauden alive, the SEAL team had no choice but to shoot since they were being shot at.The way I see it, tea baggers need to remove head from ass and actually start paying attention to what is going on instead of parroting whatever they are told.  It makes you look really bad.

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