Allen West's Response to Request That He Cut Ties With Anti-Islamic Extremists: "NUTS!"

• Gene Robinson – President – Republican Club – Margate, Florida, U.S.A. Hello Gene, I just got back from HAITI, visiting and meeting top distributors like VALERIO CANEZ, S.A., and top members of the future parliamentary cabinet, such as the President of P.A.I.N. group, Agr Hebert Docteur, who is being picked as the equivalent of Minister of the Interior. I had the honor and privilege of staying “safely” with their families, in Port Au Price, as well as In Jeremie. Thank you for the opportunity to briefly explain at our next meeting, how we can provide a “sustainable working culture and business opportunities” in Haiti, and also provide thousands of job-opportunities for Florida businesses to participate in Haiti. I will be preparing a Delegation Report to the Broward County Commissioners, as well as to the office of Gov. Rick Scott, of how we can increase job opportunities in Florida, by doing business with Haiti. But today, Sept. 11th, 2011, is an important date, and that is the reason why I am writing to you, a fellow American, and who’s father, like myself, was privileged to personally know and love, Ronald Reagan. What would President Reagan have said to me, if he had seen the “Haitian spirit of survival” and their will to do business, every day, under the worst of conditions, and the constant reminder of misery ?? “Helping them is our duty as Americans, to do business, & not thru charity….because someday, they too will be Americans” What would President Reagan have said to me after reading what Rep. Allen West’s views on not allowing the MUSLIM faith to set up in America, while allowing their religious Koran-practicing leaders in Iran and Syria, access to constantly trying to “kill the American Dream”…..which they finally did, 3,047 innocent American victims, on this day, 10 years ago ?? “They are not Americans, they are religious fanatics that are not welcomed to be part of the American Dream” Recently, a Syrian-based, Koran-practitioner of the Islamic faith, by the name of RAED BAKOUNI, accused my company, TORRES & TORRES, of “fraudulent returns”, on the City of Margate’s Commissioner’s Campaign Report. Mr. Bakouni also used my image to personally attack my name by allowing CHANNEL 7’s HELP ME HOWARD/Patrick Frazier, and accuse me, while promoting his business, JIFFI PRINT, INC. Mr. Bakouni is using the public office of STATE OF FLORIDA’S ELECTIONS COMMISSION, as a means of collecting an incorrect amount invoiced to TORRES & TORRES, supposedly being $675.86. Not only is this an “incorrect invoice” to my company, TORRES & TORRES, but has nothing to do with Mr. Bakouni’s “CAMPAIGN FUNDS FRAUDULANT RETURN” accusation!! What does this all mean ? Should we allow a Syrian-based resident, that also has U.S. residency, and a practicing member of the Islamic-Koran religion, be able to have the same rights as any American ?? Should we question, and investigate his business, JIFFI PRINT, as a possible “SYRIAN-BASED-CELL” ?? And should I, a former Cuban-Refugee, of Christian beliefs, and of the Roman Catholic faith, …and very, very proud to be an “American”, turn the other cheek, or look the other way while another attack on America is being planned, right in front of us ?? Reagan would have said: “Not on my watch”…and I would have to agree. No religion has the right, to have the same rights as “any other decent and God-fearing religions”, here in America, if they were responsible for the training of 4 religious Islamic fanatics, to attack America with 4 aircrafts filled with innocent people, and cause so much bloodshed, tears, and a life-long hurt, in America’s hearts. Not now, not 10 years ago,…not ten thousand light-years from now. Never ! See you Sept. 22; will be in Orlando that weekend, 23rd and 24th Sept./2011, for the GOP “chats”.I Thanks, Gene. Manny Torres

• oh,please!will you stop calling us phobes?quit trying to make us seem like we're evil,or something,cuz we dont support islam or the lgbt agenda.we dont have to support anything that we dont approve of.we are not condemning anyone who is gay or muslim.but we wont lie and tell people what they wanna hear.we are not fooled by any of the liberal elite.we know how they hate us.and that they will do and say anything to make us look like the bad guy.and a war criminal,is a man who places the life and safety of his country,above his own life.our country became what it is,because good and courageous men bled and died for the freedoms that we have today.just cuz west and other conservatives dont approve of islam,or the lgbt agenda,doesnt mean they're condemning people.and i'm not,either.its people's actions i condemn.and west and tom trento,and many others,are not condemning islam as a whole.they're telling us that there are radical terrorist groups who use islam to do things like what happened on 9/11.but all muslims,they are not condemning them.and the lgbt agenda,they are speaking out against the actions of these people.but how can i explain that to anybody if you really believe that we're just such terrible people?

• 8 friends,cause i choose my friends carefully.you know,you can have over 1,000 friends on facebook.and most of them could care less about their ''friends.''maybe you have a million friends[and i'm sure you do,and you probably have even more than that]but does that make you better than me?i dont need a lot of friends cause in my honest opinion,most people arent worth being friends with.they lie,backstab,use,manipulate,and like yourself,put other people down who dont share your same beliefs.just keep in mind that few people are going to turn out to be true friends.when times get hard,and you're lonely and have noone to turn to,believe me,that's when you discover what a true friend is.if you ever experience that in your life,may you be wise enough to know who that friend is.

• CAIR? Even ULTRA-LIB SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER refuses to have anything to do with CAIR! http://www.investigativeproject.org/1001/senators-praise-fbis-cair-freeze I have a better headline for you:  "BrowardPalmbeach.com asked to cut ties with ANTI-AMERICAN PRO–ISLAMIC NUTJOBS."

• What's the matter: not enough kooks in the race already for ya?

• No sir I disagree this is not your country the country belongs to the people who fought for it, like a homestead in the old west where people fought and died for the piece of land.  You sir are just a parasite born in the country.  Being born in the USA does not make you American unless you adhere to it's culture, values and borders.

• Way to Go! God (Jesus) not Allah, God Bless Congressman Allen West!

• Actually what he and most of us rational people are saying is ALL your religions are filled with hate, violence, an general insanity.  None are better than the other since they are all, in general, the same. Oh, and by the way, in your earlier post saying that muslims killed pagans..you DO know christians have been doing that since its inception right?  Go ask an Indian if you can find one.  Or some Picts or Vikings. The fact remains that IF jesus existed, you christians have not been following his teachings at all.  You pull the most obscure parts of the bible, like leviticus, in order to prove your points and hatreds.  You try to destroy anyone NOT like you all in his name. Last time I read the bible, he was said to say always to turn the other cheek, not rant and rave at people that do not believe what you believe.  Preachers were not supposed to play with their alter boys. THIS is why I say that your a pot calling the kettle black. Your hands are just as bloody as anyone elses.

• It appears nanook5 has been cool aided into Islam and cannot say anything factual to support why he did, except that his handlers told him it was the perfect religion. It's full of hate and violence, manook5.  Admit it.  You appear full of hate and violence in your unjustifiable support of it. Jesus Christ said He was the only way to the Father and he proved it by the miracles He worked and rose from the dead on the third day.  Come to Jesus Christ. Muhammad was a pedophile, robber, murderer, rapist, and just about everything bad.  Get yourself out of that evil cult.  Satan has a hold on you right now.

• Yes I do look good in a uniform.  Thanks for pointing that out. Oh an by the way, jews, christians, AND muslims believe in the same god.  They use the same books and acknowledge the teachings of all three. So I am part of a cell because I think you people have an irrational fear?  Wow..

• Model, If you studied the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and then read the Quran, you would see that Christianity and Islam are diametrically opposed in their teachings, Islam hate and violence against unbelievers; and Christianity, love and forgiveness, even love of enemies.  Christianity teaches to spread the Gospel (under no compulsion); Islam spread by the sword; pagans were given the option of converting or death, Christians and Jews were given the option of converting or paying the Jizah, a tax burden only on non Muslims and second class citizens. Islam contradicts Christianity in all its teachings.

• Olivia, I also hope and pray for Muslims to come to Christ. Muhammad and the Quran teaches hatred of non Muslims; Jesus taught love and forgiveness, even love of enemies (which is hard to do). They need to leave that evil religion/ideology. Many would, I think, if not for the death for apostates teaching.

• "NUTS" has connotations.  In WWII, the German's called for the American General to surrender in the Battle of the Bulge (I'll look up his name).  "NUTS" was his answer...Classical...like John Wayne. :) Allen West for President!!!!!!

• Your statement supports the fact that Islam's teachings (was it Mo or allah???) preaches hate and violence against unbelievers.  A statistical analysis I read showed that only about 13% or so was religion, the rest related to hate, fighting and subjugating the unbeliever.  Islam is a vile evil religion/ideology much like Nazism or Communnism. Yes, I've read the Quran in its entirety.  Suras 9-5, 9-29 and 5-51 plus many many more Suras tell me the Quran and Islam is seditious to the US Constitution (Slay and fight the unbelievers).  What a garbage religion/ideology.

• yes, it's either insulting people or letting the nazis take over. if you see everything as that black and white you really shouldn't drive at night, just a thought

• west would punch that hippie in the face for secretly sending money to iran and raising taxes! go tea party!

• What happened to manners, "model citizen"... wow how quickly you become a hypocrite! 

• So I suppose you wanted a long, eloquent response such as Neville Chamberlain gave?

• I love this man more and more... I think I'll hang a picture of him right next to Reagan!!!  YAY for Col West!!  PLEEEEEEEZE RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

• The American People support Congressman  Allen . West . Mr West is very correct to tell CIAR NUTS..** and  The American People are very SICK of the Existence of CAIR in the USA. This CAIR for all we know is a Very Radical Islamic Organisation trying all out to Destroy the Christian Values of America. and worst of all the Supporter of Islamic Terrorism in the USA...Americqan People and Allen West would Say GO TO HELL WITH YOU  CAIR  and good Riddence....** God Bless the USA..

• SMDDrPepper, I have read all your posts.  You are very uniformed and sounds like you've joined a cell. Questions: FOR YOU AND YOUR MUSLIM FRIENDS 1-Do you know the teachings of Qu'ran, Hadiths and Shari'ah law (Have you read them)? 2-Do you denounce the teachings of Shari'ah law: regarding treatment and rights of women, apostates, infidels and the compulsion of accepting Islam? 3-Do you denounce all forms of Jihad, including cultural jihad and jihad that take the lives of innocent people? 4-Will you support laws to protect our State and Federal Constitution from any foreign law including Shari'ah Law? 5-Do you support Isreal and their right to be in their land? Christians and Jews have the same God.  He LOVES us and wants us to treat others as he would like to be treated.  Allah says to destroy those who are not of Islam. Thanks but I choose God Almighty and Jesus Christ, my Saviour and Lord.

• God bless Alllen West.   A true Patriot and God fearing man.  I respect him with all that I can muster and trust our country to men like him. If he were to run for a higher office, I'd definately vote for him. What I have to offer about his response "NUTS" , is AMEN.  (I agree) Bob Soltis

• They way I express my position against Islam is to say that South American Civilization was thrown into the dark ages by Religious Fanatics who decimated Native Civilizations, Damn you all if Theocratic Totalitarians will do that to today's free world and democratic nations. Never again coming from a Quechua Native from Peru.

• Well said. Religious fanatics with a totalitarian Theocratic world view and ideology must never govern the free world. Never again! Take it from this Quechua Native American. Never again!

• I am a Quechua from Peru. I will say to everyone that religious zealots ruined Quechua civilization. Damn if Religious Zealots in the modern age do it to a democractic society anywhere in the world. Never Again!

• Sir:  I am making an assumption there. Have you read ANY history? Have you ever heard Mr. Allen speak? You need to do some remedial self-education first. Then you'll have to right to comments like those you have made.

• He wore the uniform.  He has a lot more right to use it than some civi playing arm chair quarter back. P.S.  NUTS!

• So there are multiple creators then?

• we can play that game all day. i don't think you could find a greater version of the game than the white man, who can claim all kinds of progresses at the expense of millions of native americans, africans, chinese, indians, etc etc etc. i'm not seeing you using that as proof that no one can ever trust a white man...even though the white man is still engaged in wars all across the planet, how many muslim nations have invaded another country in the last ten years? actually, it doesn't matter. because saying that any type people are stupid, worthless, and given to killing, is racist.

• More Americans need to pay attention to Pamela Geller, Brigitte Gabriel and Rob Spencer who have personally experienced the evils of Islam and its evil desire to conquer the world with their Shariah Law. How can so many uneducated people feel that Islam's Allah is the same GOD that Christians worship? They need to go to Act For America and Jihad Watch to learn what is really happening in America after the IsIam's taking over Europe.

• short and sweet, right to the point. right on, Allen West!

• That sounds like a religion that I might be interested in following.  Unfortunately, my Pastafarian belief system does not allow me idolize false salads.

• They didn't tell him - they asked him.  There's a huge difference.  Slow down and pay attention to what you're reading.

• Having manners is not political correctness.  By your logic, it would be acceptable for West to sling his own feces at fellow Americans because, you know, to not do so would be so politically correct.

• What a disgrace it is to see such childish correspondence on Congressional letterhead.

• I like Allen West!!!

• From the mouth of babies...Yeah you kind of hit the nail on the head.  They ARE an extremist group.

• His response got as much attention as it deserved! Besides, fear does not come from God. No "phobia" here!

• then you'll really like mine....BITE ME!

• The Islamic view of science, and it's scientific explanation for EVERYTHING in the Universe is "It's that way because Allah willed it to be". Well, there some deep thinking for ya! ROFLMAOTNTPMP!

• I love it!! you go Allen, baby!

• the more scumfucks like you that crawl out from under your rocks the faster west goes down in flames. more please!

• Great Job Mr. West! I am glad we are finally getting men to stand up for America and not falling into the garbage of political correctness. I thank God for you Mr. West.

• Shut the FUCK up Nanook! The truth is not racist, if it's true, and it is, it's called facts. Don't hate the messenger just because the message is true. It's nobodies fault but their own that they are uneducated, ass backwards, idiots! They are the ones that choose to honor a child molesting pervert, who was dumber than a box of rocks, and probably insane too. You just prove the point that all Muslims are religious freaks that have no sense, or place among civilized people. Now, trace this IP and come and get me. Me and my friends Smith and Wesson have something we want  to give you.

• So its ok for an Islamic organization to tell someone who they can and can not associate themselves with? This is the issues i have with islamic organizations. Get off your high horse and quit thinking you control the world. Deal with it and if you dont like it, then dont vote for the man. 

• i wrote a new holy book that says, if islamophobes aren't on the tops of the comments on an allen west story on bnt, that their underwear automatically fills up with fruit salad. the kind with baby marshmallows mixed in. JIHAD!

•  Hahah it's also like saying all the tea party folks are like the KKK and other extremist groups you simple minded yuts.

• "Since there is more Islamic Terrorism happening in America in the past two years"  you're delusional.

• 450 million readers of the Harry Potter series take it quite seriously but, alas, it is still fiction.

• The odds of you getting killed by lightning are far greater than getting killed by an islamic terrorist.  Do you go on weather blogs and warn people to run for cover when storms arise?  Quote old Farmer's Almanac sayings?

•  LOL you are a tool

• Why don't you LOVE your enemy as Matthew suggested?

• The Quran is only 1400 years old. It is not a work of fiction since 1.4 billion Muslims take it quite seriously. They take it seriously enough that they kill people for it. These are the words that they read and follow. Since there is more Islamic Terrorism happening in America in the past two years, it would be wise to read the Quran and undestand their thinking process. "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." - Sun Tzu

• because unlike you many others teach people to love jesus at the point of a gun, just like islam. the soldier out of margate that died in the chopper crash last week, his family wouldn't stop going about how proud they were that he decided his love of jesus meant had to go murder muslims. abominable.

• and who do you get paid by anyway? or do you have that fake facebook page just for fun?

• i hope with all your ranting you do realize how incredibly racist you're being... you realize that right? if you were talking about "the blacks" this way you'd have someone looking up your IP to kick the living shit out of you right now. enjoy the golden age of anti-muslim bigotry while it lasts, asshole.

• So what.  You're going to hold billions of people accountable for a statement in a 2,000 year old work of fiction?  Grow the fuck up.

• hey moron, all muslims believe in jihad. when a muslim does not believe in jihad then he or she is no longer a muslim. its one of the tenants that completes islamic faith. get over abortion clinic bombers. muslims actually believe that when they kill an infidel like you he will get 72 virgins in heaven. 

• Thats the language muslims understand you infidel. 

• Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

• Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

• Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers."  Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs.  It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims.  In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends

• muslims are not your friend. You are an INFIDEL to them, a "KAFIR". Muslims do not love USA, their loyalty is to Quranic Laws only. How do i know, because i am not white liberal christian hating, muslim loving moron. I am a Pakistani non muslim who knows islam more than a moron like you. 

• @ Soflagtor, you have room to talk or is it SoFAGer. Floridians at 600,000 and many who are muslims .... PLEASE. The popuation of muslims in Florida is less than 1 %. You want to talk about what West lack .... well what do you lack other than a brain you idiot. Double NUTS to you ....

• Allen West should have said. "Drop dead and go to hell with Mohammad , the Pedophile and Rapist"!

• @SMDrPepper Even if some of the inventions you credit Muslims with developing are legit, Muslims/Islam have added NOTHING in the past 800 years to the fields of science, literature, the arts, etc. The reason for that is that Islam has a built-in mechanism that UNDERMINES intellectual thought. EXAMPLE: Muslims had some early advances in the science of ANATOMY but they were prohibited by Islamic Law from putting that knowledge into ILLUSTRATED form, because they considered it "blasphemy". Here is a great book you need to read for more details on the intellectual STAGNATION that Islam has suffered in the past 800 YEARS: http://www.amazon.com/Closing-Muslim-Mind-Intellectual-Islamist/dp/1610170024/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1313571007&sr=1-1 THE CLOSING OF THE MUSLIM MIND: HOW INTELLECTUAL SUICIDE CREATED THE MODERN ISLAMIST CRISIS ------------------- PRODUCT DESCRIPTION FROM AMAZON.COM: "Robert R. Reilly’s eye-opening book masterfully explains the frightening behavior coming out of the Islamic world. Terrorism, he shows, is only one manifestation of the spiritual pathology of Islamism.   Reilly uncovers the root of our contemporary crisis: a pivotal struggle waged within the Muslim world nearly a millennium ago. In a heated battle over the role of reason, the side of irrationality won. The deformed theology that resulted, Reilly reveals, produced the spiritual pathology of Islamism, and a deeply dysfunctional culture.   The Closing of the Muslim Mind solves such puzzles as: * why the Arab world stands near the bottom of every measure of human development * why scientific inquiry is nearly dead in the Islamic world * why Spain translates more books in a single year than the entire Arab world has in the past thousand years * why some people in Saudi Arabia still refuse to believe man has been to the moon"

• YOu are no one of stature to invite a unwelcomed muslim trouble maker to stay - I say ship the bum out together with this dimwit Chaz Stevens, Moron -- How does it feel to be a stark raving idiotic moron? 

• Yodaddy is a Saudi Sheikh with deep pockets...are you on his payroll?

• @3d1492bb7b5738274bd3c2cdffe5315a:disqus I encourage EVERYONE to click on your phony link...it takes you to a Century Link SEARCH PAGE that lists many links with the word 'WEST' in them, but NONE of them is for your fictitious group "WomenAgainstWest"...LOL www.womenagainstwest.com You better loosen up your hijab...it is cutting off the blood circulation to your BRAIN.

• @nanook5:disqus Are you still doing volunteer work for CAIR or have they started paying you for spewing their "Islamophobia" nonsense? Here is what a group of MODERATE Muslims say about the pseudo-scientific term "Islamophobia": http://www.islamicpluralism.or... We undersigned American Muslims, have long known the true character of CAIR and its allies. Therefore: * We observe their commitment to radical aims, their attempts to chill free speech by calling critics of radical Islam “Islamophobes,” and their false, ugly accusations against moderate American Muslims who disagree with their agenda. That sums it up perfectly..."attempts to chill free speech by calling critics of radical Islam 'Islamophobes'." Secular atheist Christopher Hitchens puts it very succinctly too: "PHOBIA is an IRRATIONAL FEAR & there is NOTHING IRRATIONAL about fearing a religion steeped in terrorism"

• @Model_Citizen:disqus You apologists for RADICAL Islam love to try dredging up "moral equivalency" between ANCIENT practices like the Inquisition, Crusades & witch hunts and the ONGOING PRESENT-DAY BRUTALITY of 21st-CENTURY Islam. Here is a stunning survey of ORDINARY Muslims in the Middle East taken less than a year ago by globally renowned polling organization Pew Research Center: http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ ---- % of Muslims who want DEATH PENALTY for those leaving Islam: Egypt (86%)Pakistan (82%) ----- % of Muslims endorsing STONING TO DEATH of adulterers (98% WOMEN): Egypt (82%) Pakistan (76%) ------ BOTTOM LINE: SHARIA LAW IS SUCH A HORRENDOUS VIOLATION OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS THAT IT CANNOT BE TOLERATED IN CIVILIZED NATIONS, NOR CAN CIVILIZED NATIONS TRUST SHARIA-INFESTED NATIONS AS ALLIES OR IN ANY OTHER WAY.

• CAIR is a Saudi-funded, radical front group with numerous STRONG links to Islamic TERRORIST groups like Hamas. After CAIR was implicated in the HLF TERROR-FUNDING trial, the FBI terminated all cooperative relations with the Saudi-funded stealth jihadists. Here is a group of MODERATE Muslims COMMENDING the FBI for REJECTING pro-Sharia CAIR: http://www.islamicpluralism.org/documents/982.pdf "American Muslims Commend FBI for Rejection of CAIR" We undersigned American Muslims, have long known the true character of CAIR and its allies. Therefore: * We observe their commitment to radical aims, their attempts to chill free speech by calling critics of radical Islam “Islamophobes,” and their false, ugly accusations against moderate American Muslims who disagree with their agenda. * We reject any claim that CAIR and its supporters are legitimate civil liberties advocates. * We congratulate the FBI for adopting a firmer attitude toward CAIR, as a defense of Americans of all faiths from the menace of radical Islam, including Muslims of all backgrounds—Sunni, Shia, Sufi, secular, etc. ------------------------ CAIR is NOT a MODERATE Muslim group...Virginia congressman Frank Wolf is calling for an investigation to determine whether CAIR's generous FUNDING from Wahhabist Saudi sheikhs requires CAIR to register as the AGENT of a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. Congressman Wolf has the FACTS on his side, so hopefully these terrorist-supporting Jihadists at CAIR will soon be officially REGISTERED as an agent of the Saudi government. CAIR has already lost its TAX-EXEMPT status with the IRS because they have failed to report their overseas donations (most likely because it would increase the chances of having to register as SAUDI-FUNDED AGENTS).

• Nanook5 said "so in a purely theoretical situation, would you be more likely to believe 1.5 billion people are who they say they are, or believe the same man who has claimed to have found Saddam Hussein's long-lost WMDS? This is a purely theoretical question, and has nothing to do with the fact that this actually happened, and the gibbering fruitloop that made this claim is who you're talking about." --------------------------- The facts I stated are available for anyone to see about CAIR's reputation and activities. You said this same author claimed to have found Saddam's WMD. I don't know about those claims but I do know that Saddam had WMD, that too is public fact. Saddam didn't have Nukes which is what the media fixated on during Gulf War 2. So tell me why this guy is on a hate groups list? Riiiight..that's why I despise SPLC. They are a partisan group.

• SMDrPepper said: " Shockingly I do not see the need to interrogate my friends. However this does show that you are indeed an islamaphobe. If you have the need to question everyone you come into contact with out of irrational fear, you are indeed xenophobic. And for the record, the christians are no better.  KKK, Oklahoma City bomber, millita groups, that guy who killed kids over in Europe ALL have one thing in common.  They are christian.  So, pot calling a kettle black?  " ---------------------------- So you are afraid to ask your friends reasonable questions for fear they won't be your friends anymore for asking a reasonable question about their faith....LOL Then you resort to name-calling because you see asking someone about their faith as xenophobic... LOL Then you attempt to paint OK bomber (Atheist), Brevik (claims he is a Christian but in truth is not), KKK (um do they still exist anymore? They've been ridiculed into obscurity) and Militia group (not all groups are christian or formed for that reason so no unity here.)...LOL You are pretty desperate and even more pathetic.

• Way to go West.  Please run for POTUS.  West is a man of honor and integrity, and is not afraid to speak his mind, and by the way doesn''t need a teleprompter.

• Ahh, asking your "moderate" Muslim friends about their views of the basics of mainstream Islam is "interrogating" them? Aren't you the least bit curious about how they might answer the questions I pose? I certainly do ask many of my friends about how seriously they take their religion, asking them about how they feel about tenets considered the norm within their religion -- Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism... Why is it that none of my Hindu, Christian, or Jewish friends have ever been offended by such questions, but according to you even contemplating asking a Muslim such questions is patently offensive? BTW, Timothy McVeigh was no Christian -- see question #3 here: http://revuse.wetpaint.com/page/Ten+Questions+for+the+Muslim+Next+Door (And you might find the other 9 enlightening while you're there). And even if he were, what does that have to do with understanding what it actually means for your muslim friends to be "the farthest from extreme as you can get."

• Shockingly I do not see the need to interrogate my friends. However this does show that you are indeed an islamaphobe. If you have the need to question everyone you come into contact with out of irrational fear, you are indeed xenophobic. And for the record, the christians are no better.  KKK, Oklahoma City bomber, millita groups, that guy who killed kids over in Europe ALL have one thing in common.  They are christian.  So, pot calling a kettle black?

• Umm, no its the christians being egged on by the evangelicals here in the states.  They are killing homosexuals, kids, an all the rest.  Go look up Uganda and Nigeria.  Ethiopia has similar things as well.  Darfur isnt much better.   Was all over the news for a while.  Some REALLY good documentaries about it as well.  Just because now the evangelicals are trying to distance themselves from the insanity they created doesnt mean it isnt happening. There are also a LOT of killing of anyone not christian, even here in the states.  They kill abortion doctors, people who do not think EXACTLY like they do, even in this day and age.  Do not forget Ireland, where they is still hostilities between christian sects. Oh an there are still a lot of christians that still say women should only be in the kitchen and should have no say in their lives. Really, you right wingnuts dont know about the world around you.  If your going to argue you would think you would know what it is your yelping about.

• Here are some questions for each of your "muslim friends": 1. Do you believe the Qur'an is the literal word of God? 2. Do you believe Muhammad is the best example of humanity -- the person most worthy of emulation -- who has ever lived? 3. Do you believe in the authenticity of the Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim hadith? 4. Would you like to see Shariah be the rule of law anywhere in the world? Here are some reasonable answers, if your friends are as moderate as you say they are: 1. Literal word of God? Ha! Of course not, I just take it as a book of stories and parables -- I live by the parts I agree with, and ignore the ones I disagree with -- such as the Qur'an's sanction of beating a disobedient wife (4.34), or its command of warfare against Jews and Christians until they submit to second-class status (9.29). But literal word of God? Come on... 2. Of course not -- like anyone, Muhammad was imperfect. He did some good things and some bad things. I reject the bad things he did, and think only some of his life and message are praiseworthy and worth emulating. 3. Of course not ... Who can trust that any of these sayings are actually real. And since some of the things these hadith call for are horrible (e.g., Muhammad calling for death for apostates, see http://bit.ly/hHHUQ4 or Muhammad demanding warfare against non-believers until they submit, see  http://bit.ly/dKWAMF ), I just don't trust these hadith blindly. I only follow the ones I agree with. 4. No way -- Shariah means no equal rights for women, no equal rights for non-Muslims. I think Shariah has some good aspects/examples, but we should only pick and choose the aspects of Sharia that are perfectly compatible with full equality for all people and reject the many elements that are not. Now I suspect that in reality you'll get nothing even close to these answers. You might even find yourself being called an Islamophobe for daring to ask! But I suspect you won't have the guts to even ask these simple questions, because after all you might "offend" your friends who are surely supremely, undeniably, unquestionably, moderate. Right?

• Oh and is the Muslims in Africa Doing that SMD not christians, they are the ones being persecuted for not being Muslim, shows how much you know.

• I like how West put Cair in its place when they challanged him at a meeting hahahaha I loved it so much... Go for it West 2012 lead America as you lead its children.

• @Soflagator if you do not already know his level of knowledge then what you are saying shows you do not understand.

• so in a purely theoretical situation, would you be more likely to believe 1.5 billion people are who they say they are, or believe the same man who has claimed to have found Saddam Hussein's long-lost WMDS? This is a purely theoretical question, and has nothing to do with the fact that this actually happened, and the gibbering fruitloop that made this claim is who you're talking about.

• BUSH HAD A JOB GROWTH OF 52 MO'S BEFORE THE DEMONCRATS CONTROLLED HOUSE & SENATE THE LAST 2 YRS OF BUSH'S TERM! DEMONCRATS ARE WHO GOT US INTO THIS ECONOMIC DISASTER! PERIOD!

• JUST BECAUSE HE DOES NOT BROWN NOSE & IS NOT A KISS UP U DIMWIT LIBS DON'T LIKE IT! GOT NEWS FOR U, WEST HAS MORE BACK BONE THAN ALL U NITWITS PUT TOGETHER! PERIOD!

• KUDO'S ALLEN WEST! WE NEED YOU AS OUR FEARLESS PRESIDENT! PLEASE RUN!

• The earliest evidence of written mathematics dates back to the ancient Sumerians, who built the earliest civilization in Mesopotamia. Part of what is called the Babylonian Mathematics. People from this era were Arabs not Muslims. Islam didn't come about until the early 600's. As I've said already most of the technological advances didn't come from Muslims, they came from other cultures through theft and booty. Islam is a warring religion or political ideology. It has no use for sciences or medicines when all its followers care about is killing unbelievers and obtaining paradise. You said "For centuries, the muslims were the best at science  since they were the ONLY people who were actually trying to study these disciplines, other than the Chinese, with whom they traded." LOL Muslims? You mean Arabs. Seems you fail at History my friend. Muslims brought Islam to India in the 8th century. Over 80,000 Hindus have been killed by Muslims since they entered India. In Persian, Hindu Kush means "Destruction of Hindus " which referred to events in the area when Islam took over. The Mughal (or Mogul) Empire ruled most of India and Pakistan in the 16th and 17th centuries. So your history is a bit off on the subject of India. I like your deflection by stating "However there was many trade routes brought into being by the muslim caravans." Its like you attempt to excuse the fact that Islam and its followers killed over 80,000 Hindus but that's ok because they brought trade routes into existence. Warped thinking my friend.

•  FYI Nanook5, One of those people listed on the SPLC's hate list is P. David Gaubatz author of Muslim Mafia. This is the same book that CAIR is trying to have removed and scrubbed from the American collective conscious. If CAIR had nothing to worry about, why worry about one little author and one little book? Seems a bit of an over-reach for them to have the book scrubbed and have all copies of the book destroyed don't you think?Even so, David Gaubatz is correct that CAIR is involved with international terrorism. They are unindicted co-cospirators from the Holy Land Foundation Trial and FBI has broken off relations with this group due to the evidence presented.

• LOVE IT!

• You fail history once again.  Modern math was developed in Bagdad as well as medicine.  For centuries, the muslims were the best at science  since they were the ONLY people who were actually trying to study these disciplines, other than the Chinese, with whom they traded.  Meanwhile christians were burning people at the stake since they thought scientists and doctors were witches.  Vast libraries were burned in the name of the bible and countless people driven to extinction.  Might have heard of it, they called it the Dark Ages.  Which. coincidentally, also had a few things known as Crusades.  When the Crusaders put everyone to death, no matter what religion they were.  Also one of the key parts of why the muslims really do not like western civilization. The "Indian purge" you are referring to was the Mongols, not the muslims. since India was very isolated thanks to the Hindu Kush mountain range.  And the Mongols only attacked India thanks to the Chinese who told them it was there.  Other known conquers of the Indian subcontinent was Alexander the Great, a Macedonian, whos conquest was actually ended there since it was so difficult to maneuver there.  Later the British took the place over, but not until centuries later. However there was many trade routes brought into being by the muslim caravans. Stop listening to the right wingers for history and actually pick up a book.  You MIGHT learn something.

• You just demonstrated why people "drag Christians into their arguments".  You think Muslims should become Christians in order to be saved.  Many Muslims feel that same way about infidel Christians.  You can't see that you're no different from one another and you both pray to the same imaginary god.  

•  You mean the math stolen by Indians during the great purge of Indian culture by Muslims? There would have been no need for "saving" those books if not for the concept of jihad. Much of Spanish history during the period of Cordoba has been rewritten in favor of the victor, Islam. Much of the advances during Muslim periods came from heretics and apostates of Islam. What didn't come from them was stolen from societies that were under attack by warring Muslims in their Jihad. Islam does not encourage free thought or criticism so it would be hard to believe there were advances in Islamic culture. Just look around the Islamic countries today and explain to me why all the advances come from western cultures and not Islamic. The only advances we see from Muslims have to do more with terrorism related activities.

•  You have proven yourself to be a useful dhimmi. Congrats.

•  Jihad is not a new concept. Sorry I don't buy your BS. Jihad has been around since the birth of Islam. The Quran calls for every Muslim to engage in Jihad to advance Islam. All Muslims must adhere to that command or face being called Apostate, which is punishable by death. Not all Muslims are Holy Warriors or Mujihadeen, but all support their efforts in some way. Some Muslims in engage in Lawfare Jihad, others works to gain wealth to contribute directly to the cause, and still others contribute by their weekly zakat (contributions in the mosque). All of that goes towards the jihad. Bin Ladin was a Wahabbist or a Salafist. Their group has been around since the 1800's but it is not the only group that is involved in jihad. The Muslims involved in the Beslan school massacre were NOT Salafists or even Wahabbits, they were Sufis. Different sect than Bin Ladin's so your claim that it is a small group is false and misleading. Many of the recent terrorists have been involved in different groups, their similiar tie is that they all read the Quran and participate in Jihad as call forth in the Quran. While Christians went through their reformation, their actions during this period were in violation of the principles of Christianity. In other words, the Church became greedy and powerful within the halls of state power and abused its own citizens. Have you not ever heard that power corrupts? This is one of the many reasons western civilized societies are all supportive of separation of church and state. In Islam there is no such thing. Islam is the church (mosque) and it is the state (shariah law), all spring forth from the Quranic teachings. The Quran itself is one of the most hateful holy books I've ever read in my life. It calls for Muslims to not take non-believers as friends and to subjegate those who do not accept Islam in their lives. 60% of Islam is about non-muslims. If it truly was a religion why then does it talk so much about non-believers? The reasons why Muslims hate us have nothing to do with recent history. Jihad is an imperialistic doctrine that has ruled Muslims since the birth of Islam. The recent political greivances are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. If you read the Quran you would come to realize that.

•  ApplyCS - Even scarier is seemingly rational people like you voted Obama in office. He wasn't properly vetted by the media and he has yet to prove he's qualified to run for office.

•  Nanook - SPLC? Are you serious? That group is awful. It is a leftist organization that calls itself a non-profit organization. It makes money by suing anyone who doesn't agree with their viewpoints. They list Terry Jones Dove Outreach church as a hate group simply because the pastor burned a Quran....LOL oooooh boy better list me as a hate group too. He hasn't advocated violence against Muslims nor has he advocated violence against anyone. Rather, his First Amendment rights have been infringed upon not once, but twice. But go ahead, keep in cohoots with nuts like the SPLC. Just shows what a lefturd you are.

• The Prophets, too, among us come to teach, Are one with those from the pulpit preach; They pray, and slay, and pass away, and yet Our ills are as the pebbles on the beach. Islam does not have a monopoly on truth. ~ Abul 'aLa al-Maarri, an 11th century blind Arab poet and critic of Islam (The Luzumiyyat - Religion and Superstition, verse 35, The Prophets and The Priests) "That Muhammad could predict certain events does not prove that he was a prophet: he may have been able to guess successfully, but this does not mean that he had real knowledge of the future. And certainly the fact that he was able to recount events from the past does not prove that he was a prophet, because he could have read about those events in the Bible and, if he was illiterate, he could still have had the Bible read to him."~ Muhammad al-Warraq, a 9th century skeptic and critic of Islam and the prophet Muhammad."From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration."~ St. John of Damascus, an Syrian Arabian Christian of the early 8th century and critic of Islam

• ALLEN WEST FOR PRESIDENT! GO ALLEN!

• You rock, Rep. Allen West! CAIR need to GTF out of USA!

• Is that all you have??  The lenses were great and the western world took of with them.  Ethiopia is a very large very old christian nation,yet they are being mass murdered by muslims also.  Ever heard of Eritrea?  Now the zero and Algebra were invented in India.  Get a clue.  Also there is no such thing as islamophobia.  It was a word invented by the OIC to stop all talk of islam.  nanook you really need to get a clue.

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