Practitioners of Quack Autism Treatment in Trouble With Governor

• 73cudafan: you asked for info from the US FDA, and then Markal36 gave it to you. Based on the info both you and he/she provided, and after doing some checking on my own, I think I'll lean Markal36's way on this one... ...and how do you say it's not acceptable information when it's the exactly what you asked for???

• Thank you Brandon for a thought provoking article. 

• This is not acceptable information. Two separate citizen's petitions were filed with the US Food and Drug Administration concerning ethyl-mercury levels in childhood vaccines. Either petition required the FDA to prove the safety of Thimerosal. Essentially, the requirement was whether or not FDA could prove Thimerosal is GRAS and GRAE and also establish the safety level of ethyl-mercury exposure number. Where have we seen this before? Perhaps lead rings a bell? Lead levels were considered safe at one time, but as the sensitivity of laboratory testing for lead increased the generalized consensus of acceptable levels for lead exposures dropped. Industry was required to comply in accordance. To declare Thimerosal is safe based on decades or even centuries of use doesn't meet well-established scientific methodology required by law. Whether or not something is GRAS or GRAE according to the FDA means is the substance generally recognized as safe; generally recognized as effective. The citizen's petitions filed with FDA have an interesting history. The first one was lost, and the second one FDA refused to address claiming the issue with Thimerosal was too complicated for the federal government to handle. Watch and see the full story here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lw58rbl1NI

• The amount of Thimerosal currently given to American infants is, of course, unknown.  Abbott never sold their vaccine unit. While government vaccine authorities were telling the public that all the Thimerosal was out, they were approving Thimerosal-containing flu shots for pregnant women for the first time which, of course, affects their unborn child. You appear to have lifted a message from a message board to support your perspective. Did you seek permission from this person?

• Yes, agreed.  Do your own research.  In the only known study measuring vaccinated vs unvaccinated children, boys who received the triple series Hep B shots were 9x more likely to require special educations services by the time they were nine years old than those boys who did not receive the shots.  Interestingly, girls were 73% less likely to require special ed, when vaccinated.  this study has fodder for both sides - why has it not been picked up by cupcake reporters like Trine Tsouderos?  my guess - we look for the research which supports our opinion.  look no further than Republican and Democrats using the same databases and coming back with hugely divergent conclusions.   Again, every study rolled out by the CDC, IOM, AAP lacks one very important control group - unvaccinated children.  If you read the research (which I'm sure you have), the authors admit this.  would you measure lung cancer rates of those who smoke 1 pack a day versus 2 packs?  of course not - it's common sense.  then why would you measure autism rates for kids who received some mercury versus those that received more?  and, yes, there are plenty of unvaccinated children to compare out there so the study would be easy to do.  In fact a bill was placed in front of congress that called for large epidemiolgical studies comparing these two obvious groups, and that bill never saw the light of day?  why?  the reality is, i don't know.  but this is just one of the many reasons i smell a rat in this whole debate.  If everyone, on both sides, looked in the mirror, and had to be honest, they would admit we don't really know about mercury, vaccines & autism. we do seem scared to death of it though and the repercussions of it being true would probably be a wholesale retreat from vaccinating - another very scary thought for many millions of people.  my hunch is this is why the govt wants this to go away so badly.  "we have no clue about autism, but we KNOW its not the vaccines"?  a couple days ago, the NIH and CDC came out and said 54% of our children are suffering from chronic illnesses (autism, asthma, severe allergies, adhd, etc.).  why do our kids have a less than 50/50 chance of being healthy?  i don't think you can have genetic epidemics so what is going on in the environment?  or what's being ingested/ injected in our kids to make them so sick?  again, i don't know the answers (and neither does anyone else). However, when "science" trumps common sense, we all are in trouble.  

• I refer you to this by the FDA: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/UCM070430

• You certainly appear to have lots and lots of information. According to the US FDA, what's the safe level of exposure to ethyl-mercury (vaccine mercury) for six and a half pound infants?

• Exposures to Thimerosal have never hit zero.

• For more insight, read this Chicago Tribune article from 2009: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-05-21/news/chi-autism-lupron-may21_1_autism-one-conference-autistic-children-lupron-protocol

• Geier's credibility as an expert witness has been questioned in several court cases. In 2003, a judge ruled that Geier presented himself as an expert witness in "areas for which he has no training, expertise and experience." In other cases in which Geier has testified, judges have labeled his testimony "intellectually dishonest," "not reliable" and "wholly unqualified."Another judge wrote that Geier "may be clever, but he is not credible."Geier's scientific work has also been criticized; when the Institute of Medicine reviewed vaccine safety in 2004, it dismissed Geier's work as seriously flawed, "uninterpretable", and marred by incorrect use of scientific terms. In 2003, the American Academy of Pediatrics criticized one of Geier's studies, which claimed a link between vaccines and autism, as containing "numerous conceptual and scientific flaws, omissions of fact, inaccuracies, and misstatements." New Scientist reported that the institutional review board which approved some of Geier's experiments with autistic children was located at Geier's business address and included Geier, his son and wife, a business partner of Geier's, and a plaintiff's lawyer involved in vaccine litigation. In January 2007, a paper by the Geiers was retracted by the journal Autoimmunity Reviews. In 2011, Geier's medical license was suspended by the state of Maryland, over concerns about his autism treatments.

• No, only a biased comment by you. Gather the facts, do some research of your own and then get back to us with verifiable evidence. Then we can talk about what is and what is not bias regarding this topic.

• Oops - sorry, I have no idea how my comment got posted in triplicate.

• The CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, World Health Organization, Institute of Medicine, and the Food and Drug Administration all agree that there is no evidence that vaccines containing Thimerosal have contributed to autism or any neurodevelomental disorders. Since 1999 Thimerosal has been eliminated from most vaccines in North America and in Europe and yet autism rates continue to grow. Leave it to Charlie Crist to appoint a chiropractor (not an MD and by no means an autism specialist) to an Autism Task Force which then in turn gave over medical records to another non-doctor and a doctor who had his license to practice stripped in another state, all of which was based on fraudulent research done in England. This researcher/doctor can't even practice in England anymore due to this sham. This is the real controversy. 

• The CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, World Health Organization, Institute of Medicine, and the Food and Drug Administration all agree that there is no evidence that vaccines containing Thimerosal have contributed to autism or any neurodevelomental disorders. Since 1999 Thimerosal has been eliminated from most vaccines in North America and in Europe and yet autism rates continue to grow. Leave it to Charlie Crist to appoint a chiropractor (not an MD and by no means an autism specialist) to an Autism Task Force which then in turn gave over medical records to another non-doctor and a doctor who had his license to practice stripped in another state, all of which was based on fraudulent research done in England. This researcher/doctor can't even practice in England anymore due to this sham. This is the real controversy. 

• The CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, World Health Organization, Institute of Medicine, and the Food and Drug Administration all agree that there is no evidence that vaccines containing Thimerosal have contributed to autism or any neurodevelomental disorders. Since 1999 Thimerosal has been eliminated from most vaccines in North America and in Europe and yet autism rates continue to grow. Leave it to Charlie Crist to appoint a chiropractor (not an MD and by no means an autism specialist) to an Autism Task Force which then in turn gave over medical records to another non-doctor and a doctor who had his license to practice stripped in another state, all of which was based on fraudulent research done in England. This researcher/doctor can't even practice in England anymore due to this sham. This is the real controversy. 

• Hmmm slightly biased journalism?

• way to troll, Chris.  admirable.  it's in flu vaccines.  these are regularly given to pregnant women.  the one thing that seems obvious though is there is a lack of a control group on any of the studies which "prove" no link.  i'm no epidimiologist, but that seems like science 101.  why won't we compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated children?  that just seems so logical.  Personally, if there was independent, private research (i.e no pharma or govt influence) which compared rates of autism in these two obvious groups, and showed no link, I'd walk away satisfied.  Until then, I'm skeptical.  Think about it.  If the CDC came out and said there is a increased risk of autism if you stay with their recommended schedule, but the risk is only 1 in 110 (or whatever the number ends up being), imagine the public hysteria.  They have every reason to say there is no link.  Until then, the private markets are making the decision.  In a recent study by Pediatrics, over half of parents were afraid of serious adverse effects of vaccines.  Anecdotally, I hear parents consistently refusing Hep B at birth, delaying shots, spacing shots etc.  The reason this won't go away - Americans smell a rat.   

• So all it takes is to charge someone with lying to make them a liar?  Logical fallacy.

• Explain how much thimerosal vaccines are given to infants.  Also, how does the Abbot sale affect the other thimerosal-free influenza vaccines that are available?  Or how does that effect infants under six months who are too young to get any influenza vaccine?  If the Geiers are being charged with lying about several things, including his qualifications, why should we believe anything they say? Plus, if there is so much thimerosal in pediatric vaccines, explain this 2001 message: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27456.html 

• So people with autism look like creeps? Fuck you you ignorant waste of flesh.

• Doubtless that the author of this blog entry knows enough about the continuing persistent usage of Thimerosal-containing vaccines on American infants and toddlers to understand that in 2010 Abbott laboratories considered selling off their Solvay Biologics unit, which produces Thimerosal-free influenza vaccine INFLUVAC. It is common knowledge among vaccine industry insiders that GSK and Novartis each attempted to buy Solvay. According to business headlines, late in 2010 Abbott decided to not sell. What either competitor intended to do with Abbott's vaccine unit is debatable. Equally doubtful to the knowledge of this Palm Beach blogger is in January 2011, Dr. Mark Geier provided United Nations authorities testimony that Thimerosal has not been removed from vaccines and poses a threat to every nation on earth. United Nations authorities who extended the invitation to Dr. Geier are preparing a legally binding global agreement concerning mercury. According to sources, the United States State Department team at the conference declared, at the conference, that the US would lead the way in the removal of mercury. These facts coupled make it unclear if Abbott is being attacked by proxy or not. Abbott Labs makes Lupron. http://www.toosoon.com/ According to sources, Dr. Geier initiated Lupron treatment therapy for some ASD patients in an effort to lower hormone levels in those aggressive cases (think 'roid rage here), which otherwise would be heavily sedated and require institutionalization.

• Has anyone informed the Florida Medical Board that Mark Geier is licensed in Florida?

• This "doctor" kinda looks like HE has autism.  Overall, he looks like a creep. 

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