Death Photo: Why Obama Is Wrong on This One

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​Yes, actually, one more thing ... 

President Obama made just about all the right moves when it came to killing Bin Laden.

Take a huge risk and conduct the operation despite having concrete proof that Bin Laden was even in the compound? Check. 

Conduct a precise ground raid instead of an air assault? Check.

Quick burial at sea? Check. 

Knock Celebrity Apprentice off the air to make the announcement? Check.

The one I don't agree with is withholding the death photo. "We don't need to spike the football," Obama said about that decision.

Of course we don't -- America is too big to gloat. But there are good reasons to release a photo. Inside, why Obama's rationale for withholding the photo is wrong.
Here's what the president said about his decision: "It is very important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence -- as a propaganda tool." 

That sounds perfectly reasonable, but it doesn't really hold up. 

The fact is that those few Islamic extremists who are going to commit violence have already been incited and, in fact, are very easy to incite. Would a photo of this dead monster incite them any more than the fact that we killed him? Of course not (though I believe that al Qaeda members are now on the run like never before). 

And does anybody really believe that the photo could be used to recruit more jihadists? If anything the photo will serve as a deterrent, a warning that this is what will happen to anyone who follows in the terrorist's footsteps. 

If anything, the bloody death photo is something those left in al Qaeda will truly understand and respect. After all, aren't they the kings of releasing gruesome photos of the heads of Americans that they've cut off? 

Hell, some guy in Pakistan has already sold gruesome pictures of three other men killed inside the Bin Laden compound during the operation to Reuters (click here if you want to see them, but understand they really are graphic). 

Al Qaeda isn't in this because it woke up one day and decided it hates America or Western culture -- that's just an easy myth propagated by politicians (especially Bush). For Bin Laden, who is more than happy to capitalize on religious extremism to bring in recruits, this has always been a geopolitical conflict; it's about sovereignty, America's military interests in Saudi Arabia, oil, etc. 

Imagine if Saudi Arabia put a military base in Texas and provided protection for the U.S. president -- you think some folks here might be a little pissed off about it? 

That isn't to excuse or pardon Bin Laden in the least. He chose to become a monster. But we might as well understand where this is coming from -- and when you look at the real issues that motivate these guys, this photo is a trifle.

So why release the photo? The paramount reason is that it's an important public document that shouldn't be withheld from the people. America is about transparency, and the government works under Freedom of Information Act laws. In fact, withholding the photo from the public is very possibly illegal. Here are two quotes about it gathered by Gawker:

"If someone brought a FOIA complaint seeking the photo, and the government had improperly classified it, I think the government would lose," said Daniel Metcalfe, former chief of the Department of Justice's Office of Information and Privacy, basically one of the foremost FOIA experts in the world. 

"As far as photos of the corpse go, there's nothing I can reasonably think of that would exempt [the photos from FOIA laws] unless someone classified them," said Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, a law firm specializing in litigating secrecy issues. 

I believe the CIA already tipped its hand that it decided the photo was not classified -- Leon Panetta was ready to release it yesterday before Obama trumped him. Last I heard, the CIA was the prime authority on what is and isn't in the interests of national security.

America is about transparency, not secrecy, and there is obviously no reason for this photo to be classified. Release the damned photo, Mr. President; it's the law.  

On top of that, it will provide the final proof of Bin Laden's demise -- and bring some form of closure with it. The idea that it's too gruesome is insulting. We can handle it. As stated before, if anything it will provide a deterrent for those who might dream of following in Bin Laden's footsteps. 

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Markal36
Markal36

Death Photo: Why Norman is Wrong on This One

Bob, you (and others) need to start thinking with your head rather than your knee (as in jerk reaction). Deciding to or not to release the photos is very much like a game of chess. One needs to think several moves ahead, not just on the very next move.

The government is not worried about releasing the photos due to provoking the extremists. It's concerned about provoking the fence sitters who could become extremists (much like politicians in this country provoking independent voters one way or the other).

By not releasing the photos we are sending the message to the extremists and the rest of the world that we have accomplished our stated goal but unlike the extremists we are better and more civilized. We will not proudly display the heads of our enemies on sticks as a warning. We will not cut out the heart of an enemy and hold it up for all to see. We will not stoop to your level of barbarism. We are better than that.

Corvus
Corvus

Bob & Joe6 got this one right. Obama answered "yes" to the Operation. He didn't plan it, execute it, or support those that did. As to the decision of an assault or a bombing ... you don't send a cruise missle into an allies very populated back yard. Even the "yes" can be written of to the spinners in the corner when they asked "Mr. President, what if it is him and it gets out that we didn't do it?"

I agree with not realeasing the photos based operational details that should not be let or leaked out. It is astounding to me the amount of operational detail the the DCI (Panetta) discussed during his popularity tour of the event. The team should have went in, did their work, and left. The credit taking could have waited until the fog of the operation had revealed all that was possilbe. If possible, it would have been better to keep the bad guys wondering for a while. Better for the shooters, better for the collectors, and better for the country.

Obama gets credit for three things: sitting in the big chair, the sea burial. Upstaging Trump is something I didn't know until reading this article. If it's true that's priceless.

Me
Me

What a bad luck only Usama's skull was smashed open !And in the forehead, suggesting he was shout from behind.All the other men are in perfect portrait condition.But probably shout in the neck.If not US citizens and germans was so easy to foul,american presidents and Hitler should have be great comedians.Bush's grandfather did his best to support Hitler in his career !Great stories about jews, Pearl Harbour, Tonkin Bay, skyscrapers, muslims, the law of momentum, gravity !

Dpetrano
Dpetrano

Every newspaper splattered the grotesque death photos of theHermann Goering & his Nazi co-conspirators. It provided closure to thecountless victims.

CLOSURE is why people are invited to executions at our FLState Prisons. .

I find NO pleasure in openly stating things like "9/11was an inside job?" I wanted CLOSURE once-and-for-all. But dumping a bodyat sea w/i hours of OBL's death does not provide CLOSURE.

Respect-for the-dead could have been maintained if theUnited Nations participated with independent forensic analysis by top-level MDsfrom top forensic study institutions worldwide.

Ponder the concept ofwillful spoilation/destruction of evidence intended to obstruct justice. Lookthe subject up as best you can and then re-examine your take on dumping OBL’sbody.

Even Rudy Giuliani would commence legal action against theUSA if he learned of ANY connection between OBL and a governmental entity thatprovided OBL with critical/ongoing med-care required by kidney failure patientssuch as OBL. An autopsy would have provided concrete clues.

Nucky Thompson
Nucky Thompson

I am sure President Obama ordered Bin Laden to be buried at sea because George W.Bush promised he would dance on his grave.

glass slipper
glass slipper

Usama Bin Ladens message to America:

If the present injustice continues with the wave of national consciousness, it will inevitably move the battle to American soil, just as Ramzi Yousef and others have done. This is my message to the American people. I urge them to find a serious administration that acts in their interest and does not attack people and violate their honor and pilfer their wealth.” – bin Laden 1998 interview

Shemp
Shemp

Instead of a sea burial off of a US Aircraft Carrier I think sending him out to sea via catapult would have been more appropriate!

Lois Bland
Lois Bland

If the president shows the pictures it still proves nothing to those who are against the president, and the others that are doubtful no matter what. I say, God help us all! We are allguilty of hatred and unforgiveness. For the editor of this article, consider all of the things that you've done that others haven't seen or heard about you and decide to air it to everyone, so that you maybe judged also. Until the people on this planet will come to realize that "LOVE CONQUERS ALL", there is no other solution!

twas
twas

I can't believe that they left with just Osamas dead body. Bet they had more passengers than that.

Raleigh
Raleigh

One reason the administration did not release the photos: OSB must have been shot in the BACK of the head. Taking facts given by the WH: He was shot twice - once in the head and once in the chest. A single bullet entry would not blow both eyes out. The accounts of the damage suggest BOTH eyes are impacted. That could not have been by an entry shot.. it must have come from behind. So.. If he was shot from behind, he would not have been offering any resistance.

skydove
skydove

@Midnight Rider

Sure he helped pay for it; we all did. But it's virtually unprecedented for government to acknowledge an obligation to grant an individual taxpayer's request to inspect a specific result of his contribution to a classified operation. Sometimes it's more instructive to watch the overall show than to look at the holes in a dead stranger's head.

DeathFrog3
DeathFrog3

I agree with the "No need to spike the football" sentiment. We as a nation, should not gloat.

This is not about gloating or spiking the football to me. It is about open government. There are autopsy photo's ad nauseum available for JFK.

The Strand
The Strand

Congratulations Mr. President and the US Military. I don’t care if I ever see the picture of UBL’s dead body – Job Well Done!I would like to see an intact picture of the stealth helicopter…..nice!

cetacean1
cetacean1

I don't care if I see the photo or not. I'm more than reasonably sure it happened. By announcing that Seal Team Six was involved the president let the world know it was a done deal. ST Six never takes prisoners. The other teams sometimes do.

Tonttot
Tonttot

If for no other reason transparency would be a good reason to release the photo. The administration keeps changing their story and then wonders why people do not believe them.

glass slipper
glass slipper

Osama bin Laden was a CIA fundraiser with no experience whatsoever in terrorist activities, military planning, weapons, explosives or leading people. Furthermore, Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator (and VT staff writer) had, during her employment, seen documents verifying Osama bin Laden’s continued service to the United States, even on 9/11/2001. He was assisting the CIA in funding covert operations while the World Trade Center was being demolished and the documents prove it.

The reports released to the public, beginning with the falsified “death photo” published by the Associated Press to the stories of bin Laden using his wife as a “human shield” are, each, wilder than the rest. Each story is carefully calculated to misdirect attention from real questions of import. Asking how real or imaginary bin Laden, most likely no more alive than a chicken leg after a microwave defrost cycle, “acted” when confronted by 25 Navy Seals is no more valid than those dedicated to 9/11 Truth bickering about explosive compounds that brought down Building 7 when the real issues of who was responsible are allowed to “slip away” unnoticed like a thief in the night.What can we say about Osama bin Laden? He is certainly dead now and has, in all probability, been dead for a decade. We can also expect that his “public” death will act as a harbinger of misfortune for the world, heralding a period of long calculated destabilization aimed at Pakistan and Iran, but ultimately striking the heart of America and NATO.What we can expect is an act of carefully staged “false flag” revenge.The frozen body of Osama bin Laden, very real “currency,” would not have been spent on less.

http://redactednews.blogspot.c...

Anyone
Anyone

One wonders if the death photo of Bin Laden (a true Kodak moment) will end Bin Laden-ism,, and stop terrorism as compared to the death photo of Che, which certainly did not end the mystique of Che, nor curb communism or Castro-ism.

Death photos of Trotsky, Stalin, Ho Chi Min, et al. , did not really change people's behaviors one way or another...

Anonomyte
Anonomyte

Respectfully disagree with you Pulp. Obama made the right move by not releasing the photos.

Christy
Christy

After almost 10 years Obama destroyed Bin laden. Obama can do whatever he wants with Bin Laden's photos. Personally I'd like to see Bin Ladens' Photograph on a new brand of Toilet paper and all proceeds go to the 9/11 families.

Foul Mouth Judge
Foul Mouth Judge

Pulp -

You are dead on. Mr President release that photo!

zONER
zONER

What was Bin Ladens last job? He was a diver........

IrvingFeiner
IrvingFeiner

Nothing funnier than a yankee politician having to try on his gift cowboy hat in public. Especially when the yankee was president of the law review at Harvard. Look at that face. Ever seen anyone more miserable?

Gatorfl
Gatorfl

I do believe we got Bin Laden. But Obama showed his true colors. He followed up a ballsy move with one of weakness. Glad to see he got back in his panties so quickly. In fact I'll be surprised if we don't see him riding a ladies bike (again) by this weekend.

The American people deserve the choice of seeing the photo or not. We had to watch our countrymen jump from the WTC towers to their deaths. We saw those same buildings fall to the ground. We saw the Pentagon burning and the wreckage of Flight 93. We saw 2 people beheaded by Al Qaida.

Who cares if it incites radicals? We should not fear them. They should fear us.

America deserves the choice of looking at the photo or not. Obama is completely wrong.

Lastly, I hope when they threw Bin Laden overboard he was weighted down with a couple Virginia hams from the galley.

Steve-O
Steve-O

To what end? To appease the conspiracy theorists? The same people Pulp has belittled for seeking an actual birth certificate of Obama?

Do we call those seeking proof of bin Laden's demise "deathers"?

Dpetrano
Dpetrano

they buried him at sea to avoid independent autopsy that would reveal the extent of medical care he received to treat his dialysis-dependent kidney failure.

An independent forensic examination would have conclusively revealedwhether Bin Ladin had dialysis or a kidney transplant; after all, major newssources reported him to be on dialysis in ‘98. It is impossible for Bin Ladin to have lived on-the-lamb and to have received13-years of dialysis and/or kidney transplant w/ ongoing med care, unless theUSA secretly provided him the dialysis or transplant to keep him alive long enoughto be an effective patsy.

cetacean1
cetacean1

I got to shoot with a team, I shoot at a law enforfment level. These guys shoot better with either hand. There is always a double tap.

Guest
Guest

I agree with you

rovp
rovp

Hey LL; don’t try to change history. If the pig is dead, he is dead.

Allen Dulles
Allen Dulles

Lance:

I'm advising you to turn your back and walk away from the dark crevices of the internet. There is nothing you can do, my friend. The layers of deception on this and virtually every story are incomprehensible to the average citizen. These are paid professionals who disseminate these stories. Even when they appear to stumble, it is intentionally done as part of the Psyop.

You are a relatively young man and probably think that this 9/11 story is a unique part of our history. I am here to tell you that this has been going on since the beginning of time. DId you know that they actually teach false flag attacks at the U.S. Army War College? This story is not new, and even the release of a photo would not be relevant because just as we had with Hussein, we employ several Bin Laden doubles. It is quite possible that one of the doubles was killed last weekend, and it is quite possible one was not killed. As I understand it, we never were able to locate a good double for UBL, and that may be why we are reluctant to start disseminating photos. (You should look at some of the videos that were released, the one of the fat UBL. I hear they had to put that fucker on a diet)

None of this is new. On April 7, 2003, we dropped a 2,000 pound bunker busting bomb on the Al-Sah restaurant in the Mansour District of Baghdad, killing Saddam and his two sons. However, for propaganda reasons, we wanted to present something more attractive to the American people, so we put one of his doubles in that spider hole, and then proceeded to put him on trial and fake his hanging. (Didn't you notice the rotten teeth and horrific overbite on the Saddam double? The real guy had perfect teeth, paid for by his enormous wealth.) The shootout with his sons was also a phony story because as I've already said, Papa and his two sons had a very interesting entree at lunch that day, a mammoth bomb dropped on their heads.

So, my friend, instead of worrying about things that are both beyond your comprehension and/or control, understand this one concept. The patriots in the U.S. government are working extraordinarily hard--especially now--to preserve our way of life. This includes, but is not limited to the following:

1) The acquisition and control of key oil and natural gas reserves;

2) The preservation of the petrodollar as the reserve currency of the world;

3) The destabilization of those nations that attempt to reject the reserve banking system under the jurisdiction of the International Monetary Fund;

4) The acquisition of essential minerals;

5) The control of the worldwide distribution of narcotics (If we don't do it, somebody else will);

The bottom line is you are still in the safest place on the planet, and we hope that will continue well into the future. I would suggest that you concentrate more on a healthy hobby such as athletics or fishing, something that brings you solace. And when you think of us, I want you to think of us like, well.......God.

Because like God, we also work in very mysterious ways.

glass slipper
glass slipper

They dumped Bin Ladens body at sea for the same reasons they took all the WTC rubble to China for scrap, because they could not let anybody do a proper forensic investigation.

Anybody who believes anything this government tells them is a delusional fool and deserves the third world yoke that is being placed upon them.

Gatorfl
Gatorfl

Christy that's fake.

Deadnormabromowitz
Deadnormabromowitz

no, he made a decision, it is neither right nor wrong. The issue is we should have a say. Do you mean to tell me that the United States of America can not come up with a mechanism that would allow those that wish to view the photograph do so? By allowing the viewing in a controlled setting, i.e. via a government website would allow those that wish to view it while also allowing us to say we did not "spike" the football. Hey, a very smart guy once told me,"everyone wants to eat steak and veal but no one wants to know where it comes from", hey, fuckin life happens, the most beautiful woman in the world still shits,farts and picks her nose. Stop living in a air-brushed world. If the photo was shown it would be a non issue, now it is a hot topic, and it should not be. It will be extremely embarrassing to the USA if and when those photos get "leaked". Remember WIKI-Leaks? If sensitive, military documents can get leaked, don't you think these photos will? How much is TMZ, the ENQUIERER, and other paparazzi type mags willing to pay for the photos??? And you believe other non-authorized photos don't exist?????? Sadder then this is that 14 and 15 year old were interviewed in NYC and most did not know who Osama was . The most searched name on the Internet Sunday night was " Osama Bin Laden' and "who is Osama Bin Laden", fuckin sad, maybe if Osama would have had more FB friends, they would know????

Deadnormabromowitz
Deadnormabromowitz

Funnier? Bullshit, I wore cowboy boots for years! Yippppeeee Eeeeeeyyyyyyyyeeeee YYYYYYoooooooooo kkkkkkiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee AAAAAAAA!!!!!! That is cowboy talk, not yidish....

IrvingFeiner
IrvingFeiner

Uh, idiot, agree or disagree, not showing the pic is a lot tougher decision than showing the pic.

glass slipper
glass slipper

Can the American public be so in the dark that they are not inclined or just plain lazy to try and learn about what this country is really about?

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Discussions at the meetings include the economy, world affairs, war and in general, world policy.After the financial collapse, the Bilderberg played a key role in proposing that the world prepare for a new world order and have a standard world currency.This was propsed shortly after by almost all attendees of the Bilderberg meeting.During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II.

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In the aftermath of the two World Wars, progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. American banker David Rockefeller joined the Council on Foreign Relations as its youngest-ever director in 1949 and subsequently became chairman of the board from 1970 to 1985; today he serves as honorary chairman. In 2002, Rockefeller authored his autobiography Memoirs wherein, on page 405, he wrote:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Thus, activists around the globe formed a world federalist movement bent on creating a "real" new world order. A number of Fabian socialist intellectuals, such as British writer H. G. Wells in the 1940s, appropriated and redefined the term "new world order" as a synonym for the establishment of a full-fledged social democratic world government.In the 1960s, a great deal of right-wing conspiracist attention, by groups like the John Birch Society and the Liberty Lobby, focused on the United Nations as the vehicle for creating the "One World Government", and contributed to a conservative movement for United States withdrawal from the U.N.. American writer Mary M. Davison, in her 1966 booklet The Profound Revolution, traced the alleged New World Order conspiracy to the creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve System in 1913 by international bankers, who she claimed later formed the Council on Foreign Relations in 1921 as the shadow government. At the time the booklet was published, "international bankers" would have been interpreted by many readers as a reference to a postulated "international banking conspiracy" masterminded by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.American televangelist Pat Robertson with his 1991 best-selling book The New World Order became the most prominent Christian popularizer of conspiracy theories about recent American history as a theater in which Wall Street, the Federal Reserve System, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and Trilateral Commission control the flow of events from behind the scenes, nudging us constantly and covertly in the direction of world government for the Antichrist.

http://www.newworldorderreport...

cetacean1
cetacean1

There only 18 teams. A seal once said to me "If they tell you six is coming for you, just shoot yourself. The result will be the same".

Dr_augusta
Dr_augusta

Dear Allen...or should I say Dan Brown....can't wait for your next book to come out! But hoew about Matthew McConaughey instead of Tom Hanks this time?

rovp
rovp

Please move to a different Country by all means. I sure nobody will stop you.

Christy
Christy

Yes, Gator your right! Pretty good fake.

IrvingFeiner
IrvingFeiner

DNA, why dont you snap a couple discrete pics of Sama at happy hour and email them up here?

The Independent Man
The Independent Man

You don't get it.Whether I think he should or should not show the picture is not the question. Morally I don't think he should show the picture. But this is just an opinion. Others have a completely different opinion. My opinion is not the be all end all. Elected officials have no business deciding what I could see or not see. I am an adult.

The only proper justification is when there is bodily injury inherent in the decision. Like you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. You have allowed you free thoughts to be surpressed. Free your mind. It's the government they don't have the right to decide anything.

DeathFrog3
DeathFrog3

The Plywood Regatta was last weekend... Not sure if you were involved this year, but thanks for your supporting the kids.

blotter
blotter

so anything that happens is okay with you no matter about the morals or the truth?

Dr_augusta
Dr_augusta

Hey I rving, don't you mean "discreet" pics?

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