Pro-Life, Anti-Honesty: Mandatory Sonograms for Women Seeking Abortions

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Ten weeks. Not a person.
As I write this, Floridian women in the second and third trimesters of a pregnancy must submit to a sonogram before procuring an abortion. In Tallahassee on April 20, Rep. Liz Porter of Lake City stumped for a bill that would extend the requirement to women in the first trimester.

As broadcast on WFSU in Northern Florida, Porter's pitch went like this:

If you had a brain tumor, the doctor would perform an MRI. He would show you the results; he would explain it to you. This is the same thing. [Abortion] is currently the only kind of medical procedure where you can just walk into a clinic and with little to no counseling at all request a surgical procedure, walk to the back of the clinic, and have it done without having seen or discussed any of the medical tests performed on you.

It's extraordinary that an elected official could think her constituents so stupid.

Rep. Porter's argument, in summary, is that it is somehow irresponsible for a doctor to perform a surgical procedure without first performing a full battery of tests and sharing the results with the putative patient. She implies, but doesn't quite say, that with unwanted pregnancies as with brain tumors, this must be done to ensure the patient's safety. Rep. Porter doesn't say it because it's obviously untrue. She wants women to see their sonogram results not out of concern for their safety but out of concern for the safety of their fetuses.

There is no one on the planet who believes a tumor has the right to life. When one is shown an image of his brain tumor, it is not to see if perhaps the tumor is worth keeping around -- if its cute little tendrils of malignancy won't awaken some parental compassion in the patient's heart. It is simply politeness on the part of the doctor to show the patient what he's dealing with. Such revelation is not required by law. A patient may elect not to see his brain tumor.

Porter's conflation of tumors and fetuses is defeated by this fact, and her argument would be better served by honesty. Porter is not irked because abortion providers behave irresponsibly toward their patients; she is irked that abortion providers seem to have so much regard for their patients' feelings. Abortions are never easy things, and forcing a woman to view a sonogram against her will makes it even more difficult. First-trimester fetuses are not people in any sane sense of the word -- their organs cannot function independently, and they possess submammalian levels of cognition, if any. Yet they look vaguely like babies. Adult humans, with our visually oriented neo-cortices, will automatically ascribe them human characteristics. That's an inescapable fact of our biology.

Porter's true goal, then, is to slip a piece of pro-life propaganda into the abortion clinic, to give her side's argument one last pictographic airing before the deed is done. And that's a fine goal. There is a moral argument to be made about the value of objects, such as first-trimester fetuses, with the potential to become people. That argument has been made and will continue to be made. But if it's as strong an argument as Porter thinks it is, then it should stand on its own, without aid from the dissembling of politicians.

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kmk
kmk

SO when are people people? If I leave my 10 day old born baby outside in the front yard, he would not survive. If I left my two year old out there, he wouldn't either. In fact, my six year old isn't equipped to survive on his own very well, although he's up to his 4 times tables.

Credentialled, not educated.

deanna
deanna

Here is a link with many DIRECT, DOCUMENTED quotes from the doctors who do abortions admitting freely that the fetus is fully human from the earliest stages and that they know they are taking a human life. This is not pro-life propaganda. It is FACT. The propaganda of "it's not human, only a potential human" comes from ignorant (meaning unlearned) pro-choicers who don't know a thing about what they are talking about. Check out the link if you don't believe me! One of the doctors even goes so far as to say that if pro-choicers saw and knew what the doctors knew that they would jump the fence into the arms of pro-lifers. Get educated people! http://clinicquotes.com/site/s...

observing
observing

First: It is life. But to claim it is a "human being" is a misuse of opinion by pretending it is fact. The term "human being" is an opinion.The proper question is: "Is this life a person?" Doctors have no more competence on the subject of personhood than do you or I--we are all entitled to our opinions, but please don't pretend that opinions are facts.

Samuel
Samuel

Wouldn't it just be easier (and more honest) to admit what everyone knows - that we're dealing with human beings here - but that some human beings (unborn) have a right to life and some do not? That in order to live life as I want, it is necessary to kill another human being? It's my "choice," after all.

Is this too "scary" to say out loud? It's what's being said anyway.

observing
observing

You are correct to note that a fetus is "human life" but you fail to acknowledge that what distinguishes "human life" from a "person" is the social element of sentient conciousness-- Our laws protect the life of "persons," not tissues that technically are "human life," because tissues, even when they look like E.T., are not persons.

Are you too scared to say out loud what either you or else most of the anti abotion lobby really care about: the belief in a magical "soul"???

Margot
Margot

Samuel, sadly people like Paulfeal's hearts are sealed shut. The bottom line is they are going to behave however the hell they like, no matter who has to die.

Brian
Brian

That no one would give a tumor a right to life while millions of Americans would give a right to life to a fetus neatly dismantles Thorp's entire argument. It is a scientific fact that a new human being's life begins at the moment of fertilization -- regardless of WHAT or WHO the zygote or embryo or fetus looks like. When we look at a sonogram of a fetus and see a face, it's not some weird coincidence, like finding Mother Teresa's image on a piece of Melba toast. We see a face because there is an actual face developing.

Cowboy Papist
Cowboy Papist

You have got to have been hit on the head recently; to claim that "First-trimester fetuses are not people in any sane sense of the word – their organs cannot function independently, and they possess submammalian levels of cognition, if any" is moronic beyond words. If the same description of a life form was found on Mars, the world of science would be going nuts because new life was found! You're logic is flawed, and thus your reasoning is in error.

C'mon - to claim that life doesn't begin at conception is to ignore basic Biology 101 in any high school.

If you're going to be pro-abortion, (or pro-choice if that term eases your conscious), find some other logical argument than the flawed 'first-trimester fetuses are not people" mistake. Fetuses are babies in every sense of the word; at least where science is concerned.

maria
maria

This is one of the stupidest and most ignorant pro-abortion "argument" I have ever heard. What a crock of crap.

Margot
Margot

Brandon, if you really cared for women, you would want them to have the FACTS before they made their choice.

Zach
Zach

1. Why are abortions "not easy"? Why shouldn't an abortion be just like pulling a tooth? If it is not a person then who cares? Abortion should be really easy. Not convenient for sure, but certainly not very gut-wrentching. On the same level as getting a haircut or removing a tumor.

2. What is a sane definition of personhood? I know many people who have organs that can't function independently and have very little cognition. Should we be able to kill them too? Claiming that we can kill people based upon a very vague definition of personhood seems horribly cruel.

3. If they look like babies and have their own distinct DNA shouldn't that lead us to believe that they are actual persons?

4. Let's say that we concede that we don't know exactly when personhood is arrived upon by a fetus, shouldn't that lead us to caution and not wholesale legal killing? If we don't know and murder is on the line shouldn't that lead us to exercise humanitarian compassion and err on the side of caution? It might be a baby! So why not be safe and cautious if we don't know for sure?

5. The "if you don't like abortion, don't have one" comment doesn't work. Again, it assumes that the baby in the womb is not a human person? But again, we must be able to demonstrate that it is not a person. Why do you believe that? Is it because they are smaller, more dependent, less developed, or living inside another person?

Little Whispers
Little Whispers

First of all, a sonogram is standard procedure for a safe abortion b/c you need to ascertain fetal age to determine the appropriate procedure. In addition, a sonogram is standard procedure on any newly pregnant woman to help potentially identify ectopic pregnancies which can quickly become life threatening.

Second, all this law does is provide a woman with a sonogram (which the dr should be doing anyway) and an OPTION to view it. No one is forcing her to view the sonogram. If she would rather have the abortion with blinders on b/c the truth might upset her, then she is perfectly able to do that. But think of it this way. If a woman is upset by what she sees on the screen and it causes her to change her mind, don't you think this just might be the kind of woman who had uncertainties or may have come to regret her decision? All this does is give a woman an option to educate herself. Nothing more.

Third, it looks vaguely human b/c it is human. It's in a stage of development that all human beings go through. It has the same genes and chromosomes that it will have when it's a newborn, toddler, teenager, and adult. I don't care how vaguely like a person a brain tumor of mine looked - it wouldn't cause me a moment of angst to have it removed b/c a tumor is not a human being and no resemblance can make it one.

ANTONIO
ANTONIO

of course men and women should be able to decide what to do with their bodies.But they should'nt be able to decide what to do with someone Else's body.We allhave reproductive rights, but once someone has exercised the right to reproduce, then the issue becomes the baby's right to live.This first and most important of human rights =the right to life=has everything to do with common senseand defending the rights of the unborn who can't speak for themselves except perhaps through an ultrasound.

JoyofLife
JoyofLife

Sex isn't consent to pregnancy. It's also not a punishment. Just as women can be relieved of other ailments in modern science, this too is an option. If you don't like it, don't have one. Until yours is the body being sucked on for the support of another, you really can have no say.

deanna
deanna

Oh but you are wrong. Sex IS consent to pregnancy! One leads to the other. It is a biological fact! I get very tired of the whole ridiculous argument of "if you don't like abortion then don't have one." This statement is condescending and has very little to do with pro-life arguments. Our argument is not about your body, your choice, or your sex life! It is about the right of every human being ever conceived and that right is the right to live it's life without someone coming along and cutting it short! Once that child is conceived it is a separate distinct human being with it's own DNA, heartbeat, brain, body, fingerprints. The fact that it is forced to reside in your womb without a choice was not it's fault and no one has the moral right to kill it just to make their lives easier. You mistake our argument to be about you! It is not about you! You make it about you but it is not about you! It is about that innocent baby that someone is trying to justify murdering! The writer of this article assumes that all women are ignorant by his attitude. His basic idea was this: don't show women with second and third trimester pregnancies an ultrasound of the fetus because it looks like a human and those women, being stupid and all, may mistake it for an actual human and decide not to kill it! That is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin. It is an insult to all women everywhere. It is an absurd argument. If those women see that it is a baby, which it is, and they change there mind then GREAT! At least she has made an informed CHOICE! All you people who argue for choice don't really want choice, what you want is abortion! If you are going to argue for choice then at least give the women the real choice of informed consent. Not some lie from a Planned Parenthood representative that is pushing an abortion quota. As for the author..he needs a new line of work!

ANTONIO
ANTONIO

WE all have reproductive rights , but once someone has execised the right to reproduce, then the issue becomes the baby's right to live. the first and most important of human rights= the right to life =Has nothing to do with religion or politics with common sense defending the rights of the unborn who can't speak, except perhaps through an ultrasound

Paulfeal
Paulfeal

This type of proposed law is used by the religious right politicians to appeal to their base. The basebelieves a soul is somehow magically infused into the fetal tissue at the mkoment of conception. They won'[t publicly discuss this because they know the overwhelming majority of people will find such an argument to be rediculous.Under such a law, it seems persons who lack health insurance will be further burdened by the cost of getting the extra test. I think many of those who demand sonograms, are also the people who oppose the effort to provide healthcare coverage to more people.

Margot
Margot

Um, there is no "extra test". Ultrasounds are regularly done on abortion patients. It's just a matter of turning the screen so the woman can see it. I call speciousness on your silly "argument".

SMDrPepper
SMDrPepper

I have said it once, I have said it a million times. If you dont want an abortion, then dont have one. But dont try to make everyone else conform to your decision since it is not any of your business. It is their decision to have or not to have one.All this is boils down to trying to make abortion illegal by causing mental suffering to those who want to have one without taking into account that they already are suffering by having to make a decision in the first place.No one, no matter how much the pro lifers yell it, ever just go out to have an abortion an pick up a coffee on their way home. It is a painful choice, one I have seen women make.Just back off an live your own life and stop telling others how to live theirs.

Brian
Brian

"If you dont want an abortion, then dont have one. But dont try to make everyone else conform to your decision since it is not any of your business."

This is quite similar to this:

"If you don't want to rape anyone, then don't do it, but don't try to make everyone else conform to your decision since it is not any of your business."

Still pleased with your position, SMDrPepper?

Margot
Margot

Why is it painful?

SMDrPepper
SMDrPepper

If I have to explain it to you, you are too obtuse to get it. Just think about it and hopefully it will sink through the skull for you.

Little Whispers
Little Whispers

So much nonsense, so little time. 1."Its isnt a person, its a ball of tissue...Do you not think the mother has to agonize over this decision?" I wonder what's so agonizing then if it's just another surgery. I've never agonized over removing tissue. Gave a lot of thought to my surgeon and all my options, sure. But no agony involve.

2. "Until you are willing to adopt all those kids..." There are tens of thousands of couples waiting to adopt. All kids - the myth of the unadopted black or disabled infant is just that. In the foster care system there are fewer than 42 children available for adoption under the age of 5 in the entire country. Yes there are more older children and sibling groups, but not everyone is able to jump from no children to parenting a teenager. Believe me, mothers who choose adoption will not want for eager adoptive parents.

3. "How does it affect YOU if someone decides to have an abortion? It DOES NOT!" The same way it affects me if someone starts serially killing homeless people. My day to day life is unaffected, but that's not a reason to allow another human being to die.

4. "Its a false analogy to compare slavery or abuse to abortion." Only if you presuppose that human beings only acquire the rights of humans when they are born (or at some arbitrary pre-birth moment of miraculous personhood).

5. "However it IS an abuse to deny someone the right to decide what they do with their own bodies" The fetus's body is its own. It merely lives in her body for the first 9 months of life - as all placental mammals do.

6. "Oh and for the Planned Parenthood angle, yeah thy do a whole lot of em..3%" Forget the percentage they arrive at w/ the way they bundle services. There's no way to definitively get to the bottom of it - they say 3%, it's probably closer to 10% of total services, and it is 90%+ of services to pregnant women. But raw #'s -they perform over 300K abortions a year. 1/3 of the nation's total. They are not some minimal player on the abortion scene.

7. "You torture these women with your protests when they are already agonized over this. No one JUST decides to go out one day to get knocked up and abort it a few weeks later." You keep going on about this, but you never address the question. The fetus is a human being. It's a stage we all pass through as we grow. Given that, what difference does it make that someone really really agonized before they terminated a human life. Does that make it better?

SMDrPepper
SMDrPepper

Wrong, its painful because its a choice THAT person has to make. Its isnt a person, its a ball of tissue. But its the choice, possibly the most important choice that person has to make. Did you ever think that they might not be ready to have kids? Or even be able to take care of them? Do you not think the mother has to agonize over this decision? I have seen friends go through this, once because she was raped! People like you and your holier than thou mindset need to stay the hell out of their business. Until you are willing to adopt all those kids. Course the minute the babies come out its always someone elses problem. So nice of you to care for their existence for those nine months.As for your talking points, you go down a very slippery slope with false logic. How does it affect YOU if someone decides to have an abortion? It DOES NOT!Its a false analogy to compare slavery or abuse to abortion. However it IS an abuse to deny someone the right to decide what they do with their own bodies. So how dare you tell anyone how to live their lives. You torture these women with your protests when they are already agonized over this. No one JUST decides to go out one day to get knocked up and abort it a few weeks later. It just does not HAPPEN like that.You people really just want to tell everyone around you what to do, not caring about the ramifications. I wont even go into the fact that the world is heavily overpopulated.Oh and for the Planned Parenthood angle, yeah thy do a whole lot of em..3% is it. The senator admitted to lying about them doing 90%. I have seen a great many people aided by that organization considering how well you people teach your kids that abstinence is the only way.You people should be ashamed of yourselves. You want scripture? How about those without sin throw the first stone?

Janet B
Janet B

SMD, why won't you answer Margot's question? Shall I answer that for you? Alright, I will. The choice is painful because it's a "choice" to kill an innocent person.

Now as far as "don't want abortion don't have one" goes, let's unpack that talking point, shall we? We'll do that by applying that logic to other scenarios. How about "don't like slavery, don't own one." How about "don't like spouse abuse, don't beat yours but mind your own business". Does such logic work with those scenarios? Of course not. Neither do they work with the murder of babies, and for the same reason.

Wordsmithy
Wordsmithy

If a first-trimester fetus is a human being, then the yellow blooms out in my garden are tomatoes and the little worms on the bottom of my tree leaves are butterflies. Abortion is a fully legal medical procedure. Get used to it.

SDG
SDG

Wordsmithy: What Birds and the Bees said. Also, no one would say that an embryonic elephant or dophin wasn't an elephant or a dolphin. What else would they be? Likewise, what IS an embryonic human being, if not a human being?

Photos of embryonic elephant and dolphin: www.jimmyakin.org/2006/11/this...

ANTONIO
ANTONIO

A PERSON IS A PERSON , NO MATTER HOW SMALL YEAH THE HORTON

KennyPowersSays
KennyPowersSays

Fetus defenders have their own set of logic, most of which is logic defying.

SDG
SDG

Let's talk logic. Brandon says fetuses "possess submammalian levels of cognition." Yet fetuses ARE mammals. Whatever level of cognition they possess is "mammalian" by definition, at that stage of development. They possess subMATURE levels of cognition, certainly. So do newborn babies. Perhaps we shouldn't look at them either, since they "look vaguely like adults."

Margot
Margot

Funny, Brandon is calling ultrasounds "propaganda", and you're calling lovers of life "logic defying".

wally berger
wally berger

Lover of life, my ass. Thank you for enforcing my point.

ANTONIO
ANTONIO

of course men and women should be able to decide what to do with their bodies.But they should'nt be able to decide what to do with someone Else's body.We allhave reproductive rights, but once someone has exercised the right to reproduce, then the issue becomes the baby's right to live.This first and most important of human rights =the right to life=has everything to do with common senseand defending the rights of the unborn who can't speak for themselves except perhaps through an ultrasound.

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