Ilene Lieberman Is Back in the Building!

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Lieberman is second from left
Ilene Lieberman, after months of no-shows and call-ins to Broward County Commission meetings, has finally returned to public service. She's on the dais now -- after fellow Commissioner Chip LaMarca made it an issue last week and more heat came from the media.

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Ritter today
UPDATED 10:58 AM: Almost an hour in and Lieberman has spoken only one word, no, in regards to pulling any agenda items for discussion. More coming on this, including better photo.

UPDATED 11:19 AM: Commissioner Stacy Ritter just recused herself from the debate and vote on the county's settlement with her arch-enemy, Brenda Chalifour. The county is set to pay Chalifour $20,000 to settle her lawsuit after her wrongful arrest at a county meeting in 2007.

"Because I'm trying to be a good girl today, I will try to refrain from commenting," said Ritter.

It passed unanimously with Ritter abstaining.

-- There was at least one voice of dissent during Rick Scott's unveiling of his state budget plan before a crowd of right-wing Tea Party zealots in a church in Eustis. From the Orlando Sentinel:

When the governor complained that Medicaid was killing state budgets all over the country, one man yelled out, "It lined your pocket though, didn't it?"

The heckler was roundly booed. The crowd sided with Scott's insistence that he had nothing to do with the Medicare fraud case against Columbia/HCA, the giant hospital chain he put together. That fraud investigation led to his ouster as CEO in 1997 and ultimately resulted in $2 billion in fines against the company, though Scott was never charged with wrongdoing.

The Tea Party people have a knack for looking the other way at Scott's shady past. If they are all about fighting corruption, as one commenter claimed yesterday, why do they forgive the massive fraud committed by Scott's company? 

Yesterday the Tea Partiers cheered Scott's budget proposal to drastically cut education for the state's children, health care to the catastrophically sick, and the jobs of thousands of state workers, among other things.

The Orlando paper quoted an attendee at the event, Evelyn Logas, as saying, "I don't need the government. I can take care of myself. I want government out of my life."

Wow, that's quite a line. I called Logas, a Tea Party activist, this morning to chat. Inside, see what she said. Hint: She needs government.

Logas, 81, told me she worked much of her adult life as a... government-paid social worker in health care. As for her claim that she doesn't need government, she is now living on social security and limited savings and admits that without Medicare, she couldn't afford any kind of substantial medical care.   

She worked for a time at the now-defunct Florida Crippled Children's Association, which was funded by the state of Florida.

"It was an agency that took care of those that needed help," she said. "Children that had polio and things like that. The state had this agency that took care of them. It was a great agency. It was state-funded."

I told her that part of Scott's budget slashing would come at the expense of people who are catastrophically ill. "Oh, that's not true," she said. "He didn't say that yesterday. That's just the media reporting it to make him look bad."   

Logas says she also saw waste in the system, which prompted her to leave that agency. At one point, she went to Greece, where both her parents immigrated from before she was born. "It was wonderful," she said. "I was born for European living. Their life is very simple, uncomplicated. They work hard, but they know how to play too."

I told her that was surprising, since the Tea Party seems to have all kinds of disdain for Europe, especially its health-care system. She backtracked a bit on the greatness of Europe at that point, saying that people from Greece don't go to the hospitals there because they are "afraid they are going to die."

"They come to America for health care," she claimed.

Both of Logas' parents are immigrants, but she says she's getting sick of the way ethnic groups are dividing the country.

"Our religion is Greek Orthodox, all those people that came from Europe from all the countries came over here and assimilated and embraced the American way of life," she said. "That's what made America great. Now they have divided us. Now it's Italians and it's black Africans and it's the Latinos, and it's terrible. We are Americans. You know, the ACLU, all this crap and all this baloney."

Logas said she became dead-set against government handouts while working for Orange County Department of Social Services.

"I remember when I was working for the county, there was a woman, black, and she had six children and was living on welfare, on social security," Logas said. "Her husband who would come in and impregnate her got killed, and now all her little kids are living on social security. I knew things had to change."

She said that despite the fact that she lives off of social security and some savings now, she wants to end the social program. She also backed George W. Bush's plan to "privatize" social security by tying it to the stock market. And she says that though she now relies on Medicare, she wants to do away with that too.

"Why do we need Medicare and insurance to get in the way between patients and doctors?" she asked rhetorically. "Let people pay their own way, and let agencies step in when they can't. That's the way it used to be done."

Logas said she wants to end the Department of Education and get the federal government out of public schools altogether. Only local and state governments should fund public schools, she said. When I noted that Rick Scott was slashing $4.8 billion from the education, she balked. "He said there would be no more cuts in education," she said. 

Here's the thing: Logas cares, there's no doubt about that. She's involved in the public debate, and for that, she should be commended. But she's misinformed on serious issues, and she hasn't a clue as to how to fix the problems facing the state. Logas' own solutions -- ending social security and Medicare -- would make it impossible for her to afford hospital bills and likely force her into near-poverty. Welcome to the Tea Party; drink at your own risk. 


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Maureenvass
Maureenvass

I, too, commend this lady for at least being involved. However, some of what you reported her saying is scary. We need people to be WELL informed!!! When we have a Govenor who goes to Eustis to unveil his budget we should automatically worry. He knew what would happen if he did this in Tallahassee he would have had more than a Tea Party on his hands, he would have had a revolt this state hasn't seen in years.

rayboyusmc
rayboyusmc

Hey, Pulp, where is your scoop on the suit that Michael Marchetti is filing against our crook in jail and 25 others for contracting crap?

rayboyusmc
rayboyusmc

What you heard from this woman is too characteristic of what I am seeing of many in the Pea Party. They don't want to be confused by facts that don't agree with their reality. They scream against government as the take medicare and social security.

Whoever said you can fool some of the people all of the time was right on. The current RNC spin machine has no parrallel in our country. When you get people on government programs to scream against these same programs and not even realize it - that is good spinning.

Scott took the 5th ammendment 75 times. That means 75 times he had information that if he had answered could have incriminated him. Only in Floriduh could this guy get elected.

They fired him, gave him 10 million in cash, 300 million in stock, and then kept the person they fired on as a consultant at 1 million a year.

Justwondering
Justwondering

Pulp -- please explain Stacy Ritter's recusal from voting on the Chalifour settlement. My understanding is that she has a duty to vote on every issue unless she has a conflict of interest. What is the conflict of interest? Did she just not want to vote on the issue because she would have had to vote yes the County wronged Chalifour?

Goldilocks
Goldilocks

Brenda brought Ritter up on state ethics charges. She has an axe to grind and cannot be impartial.

Justwondering
Justwondering

Brenda filed an elections commission complaint because Ritter violated the Elections Law -- as was confirmed by the Elections Commission. This does not create a conflict of interest for Ritter. Ritter has a duty to vote on the Chalifour settlement. Again, specifically, what is the conflict of interest Ritter is claiming so she didn't have to vote? This is just another case of a County Commissioner making up rules to satisfy their own personal agenda. Apparently, there is nothing wrong with this?

Guest
Guest

Ritter is very unprofessional. "I'll be a good girl..." You're not a girl, Ritter, you're an elected official (perhaps a soon to be charged corrupt criminal) Start acting like it!

City Activist Robert Walsh
City Activist Robert Walsh

She's back huh? i was going to do a Delegation next week about all this. I think that being said i think Comm.Larmarca's comments about her last week made her think twice and get back in the arena. Have you had any luck Bob besides the speculation with the Shingles and all?. I 'm sure she wasn't weeding all this time at her Botinical Gardens, now was she??The biggest joke was when one blogger stated that she was upside down on some real estate deals(probably) and the hubby losing his job as the lead Att. in Sunrise. Her broke -no way. I hope now she concentrates on why she is sitting on that Dais, in the first place. I mean "health issues" for the better of 6 months. You try it people-case in point.I'm glad she is back for the respect of the process. She clearly took advantage of the Charter. Charter needs reform after her actions.

BillAndivey
BillAndivey

You know, Pulp, you do a great job of localizing national issues. Matt Taibbi found the same thing in Kentucky (http://bit.ly/hKHmsB). The Tea Partiers are mainly old people who live off the government, and more than likely spent their whole lives working for the government. I laugh when I drive by the Oakland/Federal Target on the weekends. As for Greek Orthodoxy, Michael Lewis re-traces how the church's land trade with the government triggered the national crisis (http://bit.ly/baMbrE). His most interesting observation was that the finance minister's office looked like a janitor's closet, while the director of the Greek Orthodox monastery he visited had an office that looked like a finance minister's. Even the Greeks agree in this piece that the country's current culture is based on crookedry.

Ind_Thinker
Ind_Thinker

I think the political left underestimates how many people in this country are sympathetic to the tea party views but not the "tea party" itself. When the tea party first started gaining popularity, I was thrilled that there was finally a political movement that stood for fiscal responsibility and smaller gov't. The republications talked that game for years but never followed through and in fact did the opposite. The tea party looked like it was going to offer an alternative to the republican party which has been controlled by the moral majority religious types. Well, after 8 years of Bush, the term "republican" had a horrible affiliation. When the republicans saw the tea party movement gaining ground, they suddenly became tea partiers. Now, both the tea party and the republican party are both dominated by the overly religious types.

I know alot of smart people that are very concerned about the financial future of this country. You can call them evil, selfish, . . . whatever. The fact remains that our entire economic system is on the brink of collapse and most people can't begin to understand why. It's easier to yell about the evil rich not paying their "fair share." What exactly does that mean? How much is enough? If the rich have to pay their "fair share," what about everyone else? Ever looked at what percentage of taxpayers in this country don't pay any federal income tax?? Why would they care about spending issues, if they're not paying a single dollar into the system?

Pulp (and other media) does a great job of talking to every screwball tea party activist to try to marginalize the tea party views. I certainly understand that there are plenty of targets to choose from. Now let's do the same thing for the democrats. I've been to democratic events and seen countless wanna-be hippies, crazy environmentalists, and even college age anarchists, all of whom consider themselves democratic activists. I would love to see Mr. Norman interview some of them and post that. Won't happen.

I'm not the biggest Rick Scott supporter but I'm glad to see him start addressing public employee pensions and the DROP. It's about time someone has the balls to have a serious discussion of those issues.

Sheriff Lamdirti
Sheriff Lamdirti

I couldn't agree more with you. Last week someone said they were leaving this blog because Bob compared the Tea party to terroists.

I have come to the conclusion that those that profess the need for change in fact don't won't change at all. They want more of the largess from government. Even if it means bankrupting the country.

I can no longer participate in this blog because it is obvious that this blog has a political agenda that I don't agree with and think is destructful.

So for some of those that enjoyed my posts. Hasta Luegoes!

Ind_Thinker
Ind_Thinker

Don't go Sheriff - we need you around here! After reading one too many tea party comments, I could not sit by and continue lurking without saying my piece every once in a while.

I have tremendous respect for Pulp and his journalism skills. I prefer the local corruption stuff, but it's his blog and he can write what he chooses. Sure, he has political beliefs but you should not take your ball and go home because you disagree with them. As long as he's giving you the opportunity to comment, do so.

People need to hear more from you and other like minded individuals so that they realize that everyone not on the political left is not walking around in revolutionary war garb waiting for Palin and Rush to give them talking points. Just think how much it will piss them off to read an articulate response.

Knowitall
Knowitall

I enjoyed your post and agree with 99% of it, except the DROP. The issue is this, you, like others do not understand it. The DROP works this way, once you decide to retire from the pension system, you do. However, you never receive a retirement check. You recieve nothing from your retirement account, your retirement is now frozen, meaning you gain no other benefits or pay increase. Now, the retirement check you would have received goes into another tax deferred account, a 457. Each month your retirement account goes into the 457, while you continue to work at your present job, making the same salary. The reason for the DROP was to keep senior, more experienced workers employed. Most government agencies have a 5 year DROP, some 7, and some even allow 8 years. The miss conception is they are erroneously called "double-dippers", they are not, they receive their normal paycheck only. Plus, if one dies while still in the system, sorry, no soup for you, they and the family get nothing, except the value of the DROP money. Check out the life expectancy tables, all these calculations are based on it.

Ind_Thinker
Ind_Thinker

I actually do understand the DROP but I understand your point and why some erroneously think it's always double-dipping. My real issue is in two places.

First, you do have some employees who "double-dip" by participating in the DROP and then when the final retirement dates comes they "retire" for a day or week. Then, they start over as an employee and continue to draw a paycheck after receiving the benefits from having received the lump sum DROP money. There was an article a while back about a few of the local judges who are doing this.

Second, is the guarantied return on the pensions (maybe not technically a DROP issue and more of a public-sector union issue). I know that several of the municipalities have guarantied minimum returns on the pension investments, regardless of what the market does. Therefore, if the market loses 10% in a year, the pensions earn the guarantied minimum. If the market return the next year exceeds the minimum, the excess goes to the pensions (not to offset the previous year's shortfall). In other words, there's zero downside risk to the pensions. That's crazy. How many private retirement accounts have a guarantied return? This may be limited to police and firefighter pensions, but it should not exist anywhere.

Wanna see where this ends up, check out Vallejo Cali. - Here's a sample link: http://online.wsj.com/article/...

Knowitall - it appears you have some specialized knowledge in this area. If I'm wrong, I would appreciate your thoughts. /IT

Knowitall
Knowitall

Just got in from cruising the inter coastal in my yacht...thanks to my DROP money...hehehehehehe, only kidding. The FRS drop is tied to the stocks,bonds and other investments you have you money going into, none of it is guaranteed, just like deferred compensation, which is akin to a personal IRA, except the money is pretax dollars and then you pay the tax when you withdraw it, hopefully at a different tax bracket as you become older. I do know some municipalities that have a guaranteed return, but that arrangement is with the plan manager, almost like buying an annuity, you are given a guarantee return of, usually 6-8% regardless if the market drops 45% like in 2008 or surges as it did last year. Remember, money managers and insurance companies that sell annuities are in the business of making money, if they are giving you 8% they know they will be making much,much more, besides they get to play with the money for a number of years before they actually have to start paying out, so the potential of making great sums of money exists. Just to let you know, nothing the gov does with FRS will effect me, I am not a double dipper or a triple dipper, actually there are very,very few of them, usually one would have to be a very close insider and have photos of the boss in compromising positions to get it. The worker bee normally does the 5 year drop and gets outta Dodge, happy as a little girl. And I understand the public upset with public pensions, but what many fail to realize is for decades public salaries for the masses was extremely low and the benefits was away to attract people into staying, I mean State Attorneys only make in the mid $30's to start, child abuse investigators start in the low 30's, Troopers make in the mid to upper 30's depending where you live and the majority of Deputies,School Teachers,etc make in the 40's-50's. Raises are not automatic unless they are contractually agreed to and are mostly 3%. I just get a little upset that the public pension and those earning one have been made out to be the bad guy and the root cause for all our problems, it sidetracks everyone from the real issues........

BillAndivey
BillAndivey

"The reason for the DROP was to keep senior, more experienced workers employed." No it wasn't, it's so the senior more experienced workers can get paid more for longer. If senior, more experience workers need to be employed, they can remain hired. If there is a person lower in the chain who can do the job cheaper and better, the senior more experienced person needs to go. The idea that only one person -- the most highly paid -- can possibly perform the job is a misnomer. Plenty of people can do their boss's job. All they need is a chance, and DROP precludes that chance. And by the way, it's obvious that you are or want to be a DROP user.

Littlejohnny
Littlejohnny

The only good thing about DROP is after the years, they have to go. Good riddance.

Patti Lynn
Patti Lynn

I believe that Alan West was supported by the Tea Party...and he selected "...if ballots don't work, then bullets will..." Kauffman to be his chief of staff. So, in addition to the religious right trying to foist their Christianity on US citizens, we have the gun toting tea partiers telling us that if we can't change our government constitutionally, then we'll just kill those who disagree with us. Oh yeah, you're an independent thinker all right. And how do YOU feel about a woman's right to choose?

Ind_Thinker
Ind_Thinker

Glad you asked Patti, but I can tell from your post that you won't like my response. It's fascinating how you can judge me based on my first comment on this blog.

Since you asked, I believe that a woman has the right (and responsibility) to choose what happens to her body. I may not personally want someone I know to have an abortion, but it's not for me (or our government) to tell someone what they can do with their bodies. Abortion is not a clear cut issue either way, but I think the U.S. Sup. Ct. did as good a job as possible in Rowe by balancing the rights of the mother and the fetus based on viability.

Let me dispel a few of your other [suspected] presumptions based on the wording and tone of your reply. I don't think the government should be intruding on every aspect of citzens' personal lives. If someone wants to do drugs - fine with me. If someone is gay - fine with me. I really don't care what other people do, as long as it doesn't affect me directly. It should be no concern of the government either. If someone wants to get drunk - fine with me. If they then decide to drive and potentially endanger lives, that's where the law should come into play. You see Patti, it's possible to genuinely believe that a large federal government is not the answer to either social or economic issues.

I think I can anticipate your next response, so let me address government intervention and involvement with business. I'm dead against it, and I believe in free market economies. We don't have that. We have crony capitalism. Our system in Washington (and Tallahassee) is broken. Guess what, BOTH parties are in on it. Do you think things have really changed much since Obama took over? There's no difference between D's and R's. They throw out issues like abortion and gun control to keep the masses fighting against each other. After 8 years of pro-life GW Bush, how much did abortion law really change? Finally, I think Joyce Kauffman is an idiot and I don't understand how anyone can listen to her for more than 30 seconds. Having said that, I am a "gun toting" individual who believes in the inherent (and constitutional) right to defend myself and family. I also believe that with that right (and all others) comes a responsibility. Therefore, I am more than proficient with a pistol and a rifle and I would venture a guess that I am probably a better shot than most police officers.

In hindsight, you might be right that those are not truly "independent" thoughts but I'll stick with them.

Zigytwo
Zigytwo

ind thinker u could not have said it n better, thanks

Gator
Gator

"Pulp (and other media) does a great job of talking to every screwball tea party activist to try to marginalize the tea party views."

Pulp and other reporters don't have nearly enough time to talk to every screwball tea partier -- fortunately some save him the trouble by posting their comments here.

Tea Party Responds
Tea Party Responds

Tea Party Platform (Official)

The Tea Party movement is a grassroots movement of millions of like-minded Americans from all backgrounds and political parties. Tea Party members share similar core principles supporting the United States Constitution as the Founders intended, such as: • Limited federal government• Individual freedoms• Personal responsibility• Free markets• Returning political power to the states and the people As a movement, The Tea Party is not a political party nor is looking to form a third political party any time soon. The Tea Party movement, is instead, about reforming all political parties and government so that the core principles of our Founding Fathers become, once again, the foundation upon which America stands.

Patti Lynn
Patti Lynn

Gee...How do you feel about a woman's right to chose???

Patti Lynn
Patti Lynn

Sorry...CHOOSE

TwoCents
TwoCents

Nothing has changed about Freedom of speech in 2011.

Linda
Linda

That was then and this is now. The core principles were written in 1776.It's 2011 and a whole different world.

Guest
Guest

TypicalTea Party follower. Hypocritical, Ignorant and Blinded to reality with a chunk of predudice mixed in..While the apathetic are sitting back these no nothing sheep are positioning the extreme right wingers in power. Before long we're all going to look back and say how could we have let this happen? It's very scarey!

Aol
Aol

But isn't what you say true of both the republican and the democrat party as well? How many vote the "party line?" How many would rather cut off their arm the side with or agree with an opposing party member? What is missing form this country is a true third party. The dems speak about the evils of the repubs, the repubs do the same, both use scare tactics, half-truths and their own "experts" to prove what they are doing works or to show how the other party's plan doesn't. Many of the tea partiers are like a lot of old people I know or have met, they just want things they way they were, which is fine for them, many came from the "my country, right or wrong" era, they are not right, but they are not wrong either, we just want different things, that's all.

Guest
Guest

TypicalTea Party follower. Hypocritical, Ignorant and Blinded to reality with a chunk of predudice mixed in..While the apathetic are sitting back these no nothing sheep are positioning the extreme right wingers in power. Before long we're all going to look back and say how could we have let this happen? It's very scarey!

Totally Blonde
Totally Blonde

Glad to hear Brenda Chalifour prevailed today. For the Commission it was just another arrogant disregard to the law the night they arrested Brenda at a public meeting. Each and every Commissioner sitting on that dias needs to personally give her an apology and also apologize to all of the citizens who were at the meeting that night. But we will never hear it from them since they still can't see the error of their ways. I think they got off pretty cheap on this law suit. I would have sued each and every Commissioner individually for stepping on my rights. We really need to get rid of the remaining bad seeds sitting up there. Congratulations Brenda! Kudos to Chip LaMarca for pressing on the absentee issue. Why should Lieberman be there if she is unwilling or unable to participate? And to Ritter, just to show more of your supreme arrogance you said you were "trying to be a good girl and refrain from commenting". Please tell us how you could possibly be justified in anything you would say.

Christy
Christy

Ilene appears to have made a miraculous recovery from Shingles all in one week.

Pulp
Pulp

Yeah Lieberman is there, but she might as well be sitting at home in the Woodlands. Ilene has been a void in this meeting, not weighing in on anything. Again the only word she uttered other than "aye" is "no." Remember, she was the chair of the sham Broward County Courthouse Task Force? Well there was just a lengthy conversation about bidding for the construction and she didn't make a peep. They're coming back at 1:30.

unowho
unowho

Well there was just a lengthy conversation about bidding for the construction and she didnt make a "peep" LMAO ... Do you think she could have a slight case of" Paranoia" or "Bob Normanoia" ???.....

Zigytwo
Zigytwo

i am lucky enough to have retired and am finaly collecting from social security, funny when i went to the office at commercial and 441 there must have been over a 100 people there and only 3 were over 60, looks like social is a new form of welfare for the deserving whatevers, can pulp find out what percentage of social total is paid to retiress and the amount paid to the deserving unemployed breeders, hate to be so hard but someone has to,

Guest
Guest

Zigytwo..Do you live in a bubble? There are many many people out there. Very Very poor and just as deserving as you for a variety of reasons. Imagine if this small pittence were taken away how many starving homeless there would be? You sound very selfish and ignorant.

Patti Lynn
Patti Lynn

Boy, you are certainly quick to rush to judgement. Perhaps there are widows, widowers, and orphans...or maybe the families of those serving in the armed forces...or workers who have been injured and are unable to work...or any number of reasons. If you only had a heart.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Incredible that the Sun-Sentinel never said one word about Ilene Lieberman's prolonged absence in the main section of the printed newspaper. Pulp, along with Chip LaMarca, Brittany and a few citizens who aren't in a political coma, we have you to thank for her butt being in that chair today. No doubt LaMarca calling her out and you calling for her resignation were the tipping point. Hopefully she will get up to speed and actually contribute something and serve the residents she was elected to represent.

Anonymous
Anonymous

"I'm trying to be a good girl today." Stacy Ritter, since you have said that improving Broward County's image is very important to you, you can start by keeping your mouth shut if you can't speak like a professional.

Local_Lawyer
Local_Lawyer

Nothing wrong with a little lite humor. On the other hand, her discussing potential flatulence at the last Commission meeting, that was a bit much.

Nucky Thompson
Nucky Thompson

No surprise to see that Stacy Ritter is still treating her civic responsibilities as a joke. What's really scary of course is that these jokers oversee a budget of billions of dollars. I guess burning another 20k of our money is just a minor inconvenience to them.

Gator
Gator

"She's involved in the public debate and for that she should be commended."

No . . . we already have enough ignorant people, too lazy to go beyond puerile slogans and too selfish to care about anyone other than themself.

Commending people like Ms. Logas for being a part of the "public debate" is akin to commending flat earth advocates for being part of the scientific discussion.

Pulp
Pulp

Gator, excellent point well put. But I'm going to stand by it. I've become convinced that apathy is the greatest enemy to good government.

Imjustsayin
Imjustsayin

No offense meant to the elderly, but I've met quite a few 81 year olds who can't remember what they had for breakfast and think that the internet is a physical location. Any chance that you interview someone who isn't an outlier? If the tea-party is mainly made up of middle-aged, middle-class white guys, wouldn't it have made more sense to interview one of them? Did this lady seem sharp and cognitively together in general, or was she showing her years? And if it wasn't the former, don't you think it's a bit of a stretch to present her as "a look inside the tea party mind"?P.S. - I'm not sure if it should matter, but I'm fairly liberal on most issues and can't stand Gov. Scott. I believe that many tea-partiers are uninformed and unintentionally hypocritical, I just take umbrage at an 81 year old being presented as the typical face of ANY political movement, even the AARP (average age of membership, 64, according to their website.)

Garfish
Garfish

Pulp already did a two-part interview with Gabriel Jose Carrera. He was even loonier than Logas.

Goldilocks
Goldilocks

A caller to a radio talk show likened the Tea Baggers to the John Birch Society. I thought that a rather interesting comparison.

rayboyusmc
rayboyusmc

Actually if you look at the demographics of the Pea Party, you will find that they are primarily older white folks. These are the people who are seeing "their America" changing and they are scared and easy targets for hate groups like Dick Armey's Freedoworks.

Can you imagine what it would be like to in your 70s growing up in Florida and now they have "Black" president who is one of those intellectual uppity ones.

Gator
Gator

The apathetic are voluntarily out of the game; the ignorant are willing to be led by the first charlatan who comes along and tells them what they want to hear.

The apathetic don't want to bother; the ignorant don't want to think.

Robin in Hollywood
Robin in Hollywood

The Logas interview is possibly the best piece I have read on the Governor's "plan". Too rich, too scary, too real. Thank you Pulp for this brief look into the Tea Party brain.

KennyPowersSays
KennyPowersSays

"Scoot" is practicing his preaching to the choir technique.

"Rick Scott's unveiling of his state budget plan before a crowd of right-wing Tea Party zealots in a church in Eustis"

The lone heckler has major cajones, or maybe he was just a plant designed to rouse the rabble.

The Tea Party's new bumper sticker should read "No One But Me".

Pulp
Pulp

I asked Logas if she wanted her social security to end and she said, of course, that she didn't because she had paid into it and deserved it.

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