Allen West "Brought Great Shame" to U.S., Says Muslim who Confronted the Congressman

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Hamze asks West to point out a verse in the Qur'an calling on Muslims to attack America.
At a town-hall-style meeting February 21, Nezar Hamze stood to ask Allen West a pointed question. Hamze, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations, asked West why he keeps claiming that the Qur'an instructs Muslims to attack America (read more about that exchange here). West cut Hamze off before he could say much more than that. So we asked Hamze to write up what he intended to say to West that night. Below is Hamze's response.

​Congressman Allen West was once asked by a Marine why people would warp the religion of Islam to attack America. Mr. West replied to him: It's not a perversion; they are doing exactly what the Qur'an is telling them to do. So I called him out on his statements.

It was a very simple question I asked: Can you show me where in the Qur'an it says to
attack America, kill Americans, or kill innocent people? He replied that the Qur'an was written before America existed and mentioned something about the verse of the sword and killing infidels. Unfortunately the crowd was so excited and so vocal against me that my response was cut off. Mr. West lost his composure and told me "not to blow sunshine up his butt." Then he said that I attacked America and told me to go home. For the record, I didn't go home; I returned to my seat and finished listening to his presentation.
 
Mr. West, you have brought great shame to the United States House of Representatives. Your behavior that evening represents the antithesis of our democratic republic. We look to our leaders to answer difficult questions with dignity and composure. Your behavior represented that of a military commander barking orders at a soldier. Mr. West, you are no longer a military commander, and I am not your enemy. You looked at me and said, "You attacked us, you attacked us." I didn't attack anything, and for you to accuse me of such horrific events is just as baseless as your knowledge of Islam. Terrorists attacked us on 9/11, Mr. West. Terrorists attacked us!
 
I grew up in Fort Lauderdale just like any normal American boy. I was heavily into sports -- baseball, football, wrestling, boxing, golf, triathlons, and karate. I also hit the gym pretty hard. I studied automotive technology and took a career path into management. I continued my education in business management and specialized in operations management. I have authored leadership development courses and facilitated training for multiple companies. There's just one thing that sets me apart from most other people: When I was a child, I began practicing Islam.
 
I grew up with many friends of different faiths and always got along. I would even go to church and temple with them every once and a while. I've always been a law-abiding citizen and often volunteered for different groups. I was a Big Brother volunteer as well as always volunteering for my local community functions at the Islamic Centers. I currently have four beautiful children, and I am happily married. My two boys are following in my footsteps, and my two girls are getting ready to start playing softball.
 
I recently started with the Council on American Islamic Relations as executive director. As an American Muslim that practices Islam, I have seen our society change over the last 30 years. In the '80s, the most controversial event the American Muslim community had to deal with was the film Not Without My Daughter. Oh, how the times have changed. Today's society, the American people are still looking for justice for the terrorist attacks on September 11. While America has held many accountable, we still have not seen justice. Some are trying to hold the American Muslim community accountable, and some even go as saying Islam attacked America -- as Allen West said to me.

Allen West was brought to my attention by a member of the community, referring me to clips of his campaign events. As you review the clips, you quickly see Mr. West is presenting himself as a critic of Islam to the American people, while teaching them falsehoods about our faith. He is not the only politician trying to score points with his constituents using Islam as the punching bag. This unfortunately has become a nationwide phenomenon. The critics of Islam self-proclaim scholarly knowledge and feed the American public twisted, perverted explanations of the Qur'an that have no base and support.

Mr. West, you have developed an autocratic style of rambling off dates and names of wars mostly regarding imperial armies and the Ottoman Empire. You never actually go into the details of the war, you just name them, insinuating Islam was the problem. You have also surrounded yourself with the nation's most hateful anti-Islam propagandist. During your campaign, these propagandists gave you a stage and fueled your audiences with anti-Islam insults. There is also documented history that you have had relationships with these groups before you ran for office, while you were stationed abroad. Your progression in the pronunciation of Arabic words is a clear giveaway that you are not learning about Islam from a learned Muslim -- you are learning about Islam from non-Muslims.

You mentioned the verse of the sword and something about killing infidels when I asked you to show me a verse in the Qur'an. Well, Mr. West, there is no verse of the sword in the Qur'an and no mention of infidels. The word infidel is not even an Islamic word. The term infidel was used by the Christian crusaders against Muslims. That's right, Christians used to kill the infidels (the Muslims). I have yet to read a Qur'an that has the word infidel in it. Please feel free to do some research on the origin of that word.

I encourage you to actually read the Qur'an and not take a sentence out of context and change the meaning and historical relevance to suit your own needs. You can also reach out to the Islamic community that lives in your district. I will encourage them to contact you as well.

Mr. West, I have tried numerous times to reach out to you and explain the backlash that your rhetoric is causing. I am on the ground dealing with the product of Anti-Islam propaganda every day. For you to ignore my concerns regarding the Islamic community is irresponsible and does not reflect credibility on the United States House of Representatives. You work for us, the American taxpayers. We don't work for you.

In closing, I extend my hand in friendship as a father, as an American, and as a civil servant. I am not your enemy. When I stood in front of you that evening, I was representing the American Islamic community and the rights of all Americans. To live in peace, practice their faith without being harassed, and not be insulted by a United States congressman. We have all made mistakes, and we should learn from them. You have a unique opportunity to build bridges with the Islamic community and apologize to us for blaming Islam for the terrorist attacks on our great nation.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

-- Nezar Hamze


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andre
andre

a religion,philosophie of double talk.

Molon Labe
Molon Labe

Islamic combat tactic of taqiyya (pronounced tuh-KEE-uh). LEARN THIS WORD. The future of western civilization hangs on it. Taqiyya is the islamic command to LIE TO INFIDELS. This command is especially pronounced for muslims engaged in jihad or for muslims who are living in a country wherein muslims are a minority population. Let’s see . . . jihad? Check. Muslim minority? Check. Taqiyya is like The Matrix. It is all around us.

Let’s break out our korans (snorf) and look at verse 3:28: “The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from God. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. God alerts you that you shall reverence him alone. To God is the ultimate destiny.”

Now here is the exegesis of that passage from one of the most famous scholars in islam, Al-Tabari:

"If you [muslims] are under their [infidels'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harboring inner animosity for them. … Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers — except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them."

{koran 3:54} They plotted and schemed, but so did allah, and allah is the best schemer.

{koran 7:99} Are they then secure from allah's scheme? None deemeth himself secure from allah's scheme save folk that perish.

The koran explicitly states that allah himself is a liar, and is the best liar. This is obvious proof that allah is in fact the "prince of lies". Lying and scheming can not be an attribute of God, and obviously is an attribute of evil.

Finally, mohammed himself said "All war is deceit." This comes from Bukhari book 52 volume 4 verse 268. Bukhari is one of the "sacred canonical" hadiths, or collections of sayings and anecdotes about mohammed scribed or collected from witnesses. It is held on par with the suras, which mohammed is said to have "transcribed" directly from the piehole of allah.

Do you remember the terrorist Najibullah Zazi who was arrested in Denver last year for plotting to set off a bunch of bombs in the New York City subway system? Zazi was working as an airport shuttle driver. Can you imagine how many people got into his shuttle and visited with him on their ride to or from the airport? I usually try to visit with cab and shuttle drivers when I am traveling. I’m always interested to hear where they are from and how their day is going. I’m sure Zazi carried on many of these types of conversations, and accepted tips from his fares, with a big grin on his face, while plotting how to kill people exactly like the people he was shuttling around in his van. That’s taqiyya.

Now you might be thinking that this command to lie to infidels is limited to war situations or when one’s life was at risk. Even if this was the case, please remember the countless number of Christians who went to horrific torture and death rather than renounce Christ or offer even the most minor acts of worship to Caesar or other idols. Please also remember that eleven of the twelve apostles died as martyrs – executed. Only John lived to old age and died a natural death.

No, friends. Mohammed taught that it was perfectly acceptable to lie in order to gain or protect WEALTH. Check out this little jewel of an anecdote from islamic teaching:

“After the conquest of the city of Khaybar by the muslims, the prophet was approached by Hajaj Ibn `Aalat and told: "O prophet of allah: I have in Mecca some excess wealth and some relatives, and I would like to have them back; am I excused if I bad-mouth you to escape persecution?" The prophet excused him and said: "Say whatever you have to say."

What a guy. You would think that mohammed was reading Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals”, namely the chapter on how “the ends justify the means”. Isn’t it funny how all of these things circle back on themselves? It's almost enough to make a person think that it is all connected on a deep, dark level somehow. Hmmm.

Here’s a gem of a quote from the famous imam Al-Ghazali, who is the muslim equivalent of Thomas Aquinas. Ghazali is totally down with any lying that results in attaining a goal - ANY goal.“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible. Know this that lying is not sin by itself, but if it brings harm to you it could be ugly. However, you can lie if that will keep you from evil or if it will result in prosperity.”

Here is the crux of this. In a Judeo-Christian culture, people look for the good in other people. We begin any interaction or relationship under the assumption that the person we are speaking to is telling us the truth. Think about it. This is why liars, manipulators and sociopaths cause as much hurt and pain as they do. We all presume that others are honest until they PROVE otherwise – and even then we STILL try to give people the benefit of the doubt. How many women have fallen for the line, “Oh, baby, I swear I’ll never do it again.” Right? This is an intrinsically GOOD cultural norm that transcends every race, creed and nationality EXCEPT islam. The Christian confirmation of this is in both the Golden Rule which says “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” AND the call to forgiveness – “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. Yes, we get burned by this sometimes and yes, we get taken advantage of, but we must not allow that to harden our hearts.

ON THE OTHER HAND, we aren’t expected to commit suicide by constantly accepting the word of a sworn enemy who we know is commanded to lie to us. Islam knows perfectly well that we are prone to look for the good in others and to forgive – and they are using that goodness against us. They are counting on the fact that we will mistake weakness and naiveté for the virtue of MEEKNESS. Meekness is the selfless aspect of love, BUT IT CAN ONLY BE MANIFESTED FROM A STRENGTH OF CHARACTER. Never, ever forget that.

Cknightspot
Cknightspot

Nezar: First and foremost i believe you when you say you are a devot muslim. Sadly by your proclaimation of your belif in the cult of islam that is the only thing we as Americans can believe. I have studying Islam off and on ( mythology has lost its appeal as i get older) and muslims are allowed to lie to non muslims. Rep. Allen West answered your questions to my satisfaction and any American worthy of that name will not rest untill your blood cult is reformed into a proper peacful religion or expunged from our country.

Ndgriego
Ndgriego

Allen West said exactly what I would have said had I stood in his place. It is way past time to stop being so politically correct. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck. Speaking the truth about the history of Muslim conquest and the more recent history of terrorism is not Islamophobia....it's just the facts.

Skip Commagere
Skip Commagere

Allen has it right. Where are all the American Muslims who are protesting the terror and atrocities perpetrated against the Americans who fought for them in Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan. How many Christens and Jews must die trying to make Muslims free to choose their path. Hamez ambushed Congressman West at a town hall meeting. He asked loaded questions to try to pull a foolish response. He had a friend there to record his victory. Allen West proved once again to be calm, measured and direct while under fire. Prey men like him continue to stand guard on our wall.

Ssaline
Ssaline

It's important for Americans to get informed. Read the Koran, study it. When taken in chronological order and context it clearly shows those who don't accept Islam can expect violence. Don't try to sugar coat it. It is not Islamophobia to criticize and question Islam. Islam has a responsibility to answer these questions. And we will hold them accountable in the U.S. Yes, there are a bunch of politically correct indoctrinated zombies from our liberal colleges. But there are even more of us who have our eyes wide open.

JeffSiddiqui
JeffSiddiqui

The trouble with ignorance is that the ignorant only repeat someone else's thoughts because they have none of their own. There vare just a few people in the business (and business it is) of spreading hate and faer of Islam and Muslims; the rest are all mindlessly regurgitating the bigotry because it suits their fantasies of who we Muslims are.

As for lyingbeing permitted in religion. I believe Jewish tradition also holds that it is okay to lie to protect oneself and as for Christians, did Peter not deny he knew Jesus...THREE times?Islam says it is okay to lie to protect someone from injury or murder, how is that different from "Judeo-Christian Values"?

PurpleWings
PurpleWings

I think Allen West is describing Islam just as it is and now how you would like us to believe it is. You want to call the horrendous brutal attacks that Muslims do to their own people, as radicalism? A family who cut off their daughters ears, and nose because she dishonored them? The picture was on a recent cover of TIMES magazine. How about the many attempted attacks on the USA? More radicalism? How about the recent murders in Iraq by Muslims who attacked Christian parishioners as they prayed in Church on Christmas day? Radicals? Or those who set Christians on fire as they walked down the street? How about those around the world? Attempts to blow up the subways during rush hour in the UK? Blowing up a train in Spain to get the election results that suited them? In Chechna, where 900 grade school children were murdered senselessly? Even recently in the US we had a man behead his own wife in NY, and another who ran over his daughter because she was 'too westernized'? There are far too many to name here, and just a lot too many to be classified as radicals. I've had the Quran explained to me by Muslims who had left that faith and went to Christianity. It was told to me that as Christians update their Bible to reflect changes over thousands of years, and then go by those updated rather than the old Bible path; the Muslims also update the Quran, but only to make us believe they are doing as we are, when in fact, they continue to go by the original version. In that original version, I believe you will find the word 'infidel' and the thought to slay those who do not follow Islam. That is the belief. Perhaps you are the one who needs to explore further.

Jeff
Jeff

Mr. Hamze very clearly and articulately states his case. If Islam were nothing more than a religion, he sould be absolutley right. Islam is much more than a matter of personal faith, as evidenced by the way of life, restriction of freedoms, barbaric rules of crime and punishment, the gross mistreatment of women and the pedophilic marrying of children to middle aged men that occurs to this day. Say what you will, Mr. Hamze, but Muslims demonstrate Islam quite well, and show me that Mr. Allen West is not wrong, but that you are a liar.

Arcane4565
Arcane4565

"Shatara" and "taqiyya"-Free people of the world!You really need to read the Qur'an and Hadiths.This is clearly a 7th century warlord's writing to create an army.It was commanded by Muhammad to deceive and lie to spread the domination of Islam...Yes,Islam is peace.What the Muslims want you to NOT know is that it states in the Qur'an that Islam is peace WHEN the world is Islam....

Mullah Lodabullah
Mullah Lodabullah

"When I was a child, I began practicing Islam"

If Nezar Hamze reads up on the Koran, he might practice fleeing from Allah, its false prophet, and the consequences (Mark 13:22). Allah has no son, unlike the Biblical God, whose only begotten son Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins. Allah, through the false prophet Mohammed, denies the deity and crucifixion of Jesus Christ, condemning its followers to the Biblical lake of fire in the process.

Lynn113
Lynn113

The title of this article should read--"Muslims brought great harm to the United States by waging war, says America." Allen West is an expert on the Quran. What is it with you guys? Do you only write articles such as this to provoke? You just can't get over the fact that someone with sense got elected to office. Blows your tax and spend mind, doesn't it?

AdhemardeMonteil
AdhemardeMonteil

I was so proud of Allen West that I immediately ordered buttons promoting him as a presidential candidate to oust Barack Hussein next year. He is one of the few people in our government who is not so blinded by political correctness that he would be spouting the lie about islam being the religion of peace as his throat was being cut. People, open your eyes. Look at what muslims are doing in the world today. Look at what they have been doing since the 7th Century. Islam means "submission", not peace. Submit or die, that is the muslim creed. If you do not understand this simple fact, you deserve to have your throats cut, and CAIR will be happy to arrange it for you.

Big Tom
Big Tom

I respect the military, but I think Mr West has a major problem because he runs around in his Army outfit all the time.

Rickru4
Rickru4

Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had? If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why: had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution?had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing?had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam?had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam?did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack?did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women?

The Radio Jihad Network
The Radio Jihad Network

The FBI has severed relations with CAIR due to terrorist connections and multiple arrests and convictions of it's principals. CAIR is in the middle of a nasty fraud lawsuit from fellow Muslims because of Morris Days (deceased).

Hamze's Dawa was weak and Rep. West humiliated him. Hamzee is simply projecting his personal shame at a public relations failure on everyone but himself.

Yubetcha
Yubetcha

In editing, some of my comment got deleted. To finish, You have the freedom to march on Washington, but so do we, and we will be there too to counter protest. You won't take over this country easily.

Yubetcha
Yubetcha

Allen West did not bring shame just because you say he did. Most of us are on to you and the taqiyya you and the others use. Other Americans are blind and could not see the truth if it hit them on the head. The Quran says to kill infidels. Americans are infidels. You want to replace the Constitution of the United States with Sharia. Muslims have said so. The site Sharia4America tells how to dismantle the Statue of Liberty. And you think that we are going to just stand and let you do that? Or march on Washington to bring Sharia to the U.S.?

An American Citizen
An American Citizen

Thank the Lord for Allen West,

Mr. Hamze started the confrontation and then demands that Mr. West bends down and bows to his attack.

Mr. Hamze, be a good boy and go read your Qur'an. As Sen. West points out that America was not born yet when the Qur'an was drafted your statement is just in simple terms: stupid.

The Qur'an does say to attack infidels(non-muslims) and force them to submit to Islam: Countries not labeled but words such as Infidel, Jews and Christians are mentioned quite often as is that Muslims must enact in jihad(holy war) against nations as a duty to advance Islam.

For those of us infidels who have studied and read the Qur'an your letter reeks of lies and misinformation. You may be an American but you put the Qur'an above our Constitution and that is an act against America. The nation that allows you freedom of speech and freedoms that do not exist in the Qur'an.

1389
1389

Oh, puhleeeeze. Islam IS the problem. Hamze is simply doing the best he can to whitewash the problem so that the public doesn't see it before it's too late.

jamesw62
jamesw62

ONE MORE THING since we are talking about CAIR.Let's not forget that CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Dallas, Texas, trial of the Holy Land Foundation which was FOUND GUILTY of funneling money to the terror group HAMAS.

Now, Nezar Hamze, shove that in your pipe and smoke that one

Sherry
Sherry

Some choice phrases from the Talmud:)

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honour the the dog more than the non-Jew." Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form." Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"." Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals." Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

“When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158).

jamesw62
jamesw62

Nezar, you are the only idiot. he made you look like the fool that you are.and everyone at that meeting knew when he said "you attacked us,' he meant muslims.dont try to take it that he meant you because everyone knows other wise

Glenn M.
Glenn M.

Mr. Hamze is not being honest in his assessment of what happened that evening. He was the aggressor and was shocked that Congressman West did not cow tow tohim as our government and press has done for the last few years. Mr. West fought him off with honor and discipline and with actual facts. Anyone witnessing the exchange will say the same. Mr. Hamze, please be honest in the future. Congressman West is not Islamaphobic, that's what they fear. He is an honorable American not afraid to fight for our rights against those that would deny us both. Glenn M. Coral Springs, FL

Joe Goldner
Joe Goldner

Allen West is 100% correct and is admired by most in the district and the country. Except for the left and the muslims. They hate the truth.I hope to be a great congressman like Allen West when I defeat Debbie Wasserman Schultz in 2012 and become the next congressman in district 20.Joe Goldner for Congress 2012

I Prefer Not To Say
I Prefer Not To Say

It gives me hope reading the comments here - people are not being fooled by Muslim lies. There is hope!

Jamesharris1
Jamesharris1

Anyone affiliated with CAIR is full of taqiyya. (sh*t)

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

Seriously, is there anything more irritating than a zio-fascist banging on the keyboard like a rabid monkey about ancient caliphates and Sharia law coming to the U.S.?

Who writes these scripts in Tel-Aviv?. Whomever does must think every American watches Glen Beck.

You nerds need to come up with better propaganda. This tired old story now falls on a nation of deaf ears.

P.S. F Scooter Libby!

Deuce Prez
Deuce Prez

You're also putting your own misunderstanding behind the words of the Prophet. Please, for you own sake, stick to that which you know.

Clearly, Islamic related topics are outside of your area of knowledge.

Deuce Prez
Deuce Prez

Also the Salih International translation of the the Qur'an for 3:54 reads as follows:

"And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners."

Any version of the Qur'an that has Allah translated into English with a lower case "a" is bidah (innovation) and, therefore non-representative of Islam.

Deuce Prez
Deuce Prez

Yeah....learn the word "taqiyya". But not from YOUR whacked-out misunderstand/definition. First & foremost, only Shia Muslims even practice that. Surely, you already know that Shia Muslims represent a minority of ALL Muslims WORLDWIDE!

Now....define the FOUR situations (yeah....there are only 4) in which Shia Muslims use "taqiyya".... since you claim to know so much about the word.

Since I already know the 4, I'm prepared to call you out as telling the truth (as least on the 4 situations where "taqiyya" can be used) or as a LIAR.

Also, regarding imam Al-Ghazali, I see nothing to substantiate your accusations regarding this man. Can you also supply an unbiased reference to support your claim?

nanook5
nanook5

they should have done a pro-war protest for a war? gibberish.

The Sanity Inspector
The Sanity Inspector

Google's news aggregator is international and automated, no bias. Go there and search Christians Attacked, and you will find news stories of Muslims brutalizing Christians in Nigeria, in Egypt, in Iraq, in Indonesia, etc. Now search keywords Muslims Attacked. Except for some stories of troubles in India, you get pretty much the same stories. And yet Muslims are forever throwing pity parties for themselves.

Yes, it's only a (relatively) tiny percentage of Muslims who want to literally carry out violent jihad on infidels. But it does seem that the vast majority of Muslims want to scold us for noticiing. There are plenty of friendly, neighborly, patriotic Muslims. There is no friendly, neighborly, patriotic Islam.

Adamsjefferson
Adamsjefferson

What an imbecilic argument! Ohhh -- Peter denied knowing Jesus three times? So what? Did Christ (who CHRISTians follow) never instructed his disciples to lie.

Anyway, the problem that people like you have is that a growing number of Americans have decided to go to the source (Koran, Hadith, life of barbaric founder of Islam, etc.) to educate themselves on the issue.

We all know that the propagandists in the media cannot be trusted. Furthermore, I would ask, why are they so adamant to defend the indefensible, resorting to lie, rewriting History, etc.

Well, one thing to consider is that it is estimated that Muslim organizations (fueled by oil cash) spend $BILLIONS every year to market their hateful ideology. Now the question is, where do all those $BILLIONS go?

Deuce Prez
Deuce Prez

Well, I'll call you what I call Allen West: a LIAR and an Islamaphobe.

You had Christians who'd left Islam give you THEIR understanding of Islam. Would you like me, a former Christian to give you my understanding of the Bible & Christianity? How much of it would you believe? Is that equal to the amount you believed of these former Muslims-turned-Christians?

nanook5
nanook5

that's got to be one of the most incoherent arguments i've ever heard. you'd think christianity was full of bigoted, violent psychos, too, if your only exposure was by people who had left christianity.

also, saying that the spanish train bombings were done by radical islamists is an outright lie.

nanook5
nanook5

two of my favorite strawmen here. i'm going to get murdered for not believing i'm going to get murdered. and it's a 1300 year conspiracy!

But you know what no one is really talking about? NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!

nanook5
nanook5

such a great argument, as if condemning & demagoguin 2 billion innocent people is better than one, HA

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

You have a better chance of being elected "The Wizard of Oz".

What's your platform to help Americans, spew crap about Israel and phantom Muslims?

Can you comprehend that you people suffer from overexposure? Go run for the Knesset instead.

Molon Lade
Molon Lade

Obviously you must not be aware of Anjem Choudary. Quote "President Obama must embrace Islam as a way of life or face the consequences of a trial under the Shariah Islamic court system", declared British extremist cleric Anjem Choudary. Choudary, founder and former chief of two Islamic groups disbanded by the British authorities under anti-terror legislation, is planning a Washington protest later this week in which he says he will call on American Muslims to revolt against the country and implement Shariah law. Speaking in an interview with investigative reporter Aaron Klein on his program on New York’s WABC Radio, Choudary claimed Obama was waging a war against Islam.

“[Obama] has promised all Muslims to be released from Guantanamo Bay. They are still languishing there even though he knows they are completely innocent,” Choudary claimed.

“On top of that, he’s increased the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, so he is a warmonger just as his predecessor was. And thirdly and more importantly,” Choudary said, “the Muslims don’t want democracy and freedom. Democracy and freedom are anathema to Islam and the Shariah.”

Choudary said that at his protest, scheduled to take place Thursday in front of the White House, he will call on Obama and all Americans to “embrace Islam, not only as a religion but as a way of life.”

Choudary continued: “And at the same time, we will be issuing a warning that the presence of U.S. forces and U.S. personnel in Muslim countries, looking out for their interests, at the moment is very, very insecure. I think the Muslims are boiling angry around the world. This is something [Americans] should take very seriously.”

He warned Obama: “I do believe that the only way for him to save himself in this life and in the hereafter is to embrace Islam. Islam will eradicate all his sins; he will be like the day his mother gave birth to him. Otherwise, when we do implement the Shariah, obviously he will face the consequences of a trial under the Shariah court.”

Virgil, Mr. Choudary will be here on Thursday. Perhaps you can make arrangements to travel to Washington DC so you do not think this is "right winged" propaganda.

jamesw62
jamesw62

YOU KNOW what im talking about, so did West, so did Hamze.

Lacnunga
Lacnunga

Thank you Molon.. I had a brief run-in with Chowdary while I was in the UK. He is one of the few HONEST Muslims out there.. he makes no bones about the fact that NO non-Muslims are innocent.. so it's OK to kill them.. that the aim of Islam is worldwide domination, a global caliphate, and one legal system, based on the Qu'ran and hadith. He will explain that so-called moderate Muslims are worse than infidels and deserve the worst punishment.

Virgil is an out-and-out trolling, anti-semitic racist as far as I can see, who can't see further than the next imaginary Zionist plot. In fact he probably thinks that we're all Zionists out to get him..

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

He is some crackpot extremist. Who cares what this freak has to say? He has no following in this country, and zero chance of ever gaining a foothold here in America.

Now, stop being hysterical and pay attention to the real issues that threaten the overwhelming majority of good people in Israel. That would be the backlash that will inevitably occur from the continued implementation of Apartheid-like policies.

Right Wing Extremism (from within) is Israel's greatest enemy.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

The Nation of Islam has been around for 50 years. Kareem Abdul Jabaar and Ali are members. What "palpable" harm have they caused this nation?

I'm more concerned with The Nation of idiotic and hysterical rightwing ziofascists.

You freaks are truly delusional.

America will never be overrun by Muslim extremists.

Learn a new tune you propagandized broken records.

Molon Lade
Molon Lade

No one listens to him? OK.. Here is a splody brainer for you. What exactly is .8% of the U.S. population (how many people?). Then consider Mr "no-one listens to him' Farakhhan has 10 million U.S. members in the Nation of Islam.

No-One listens to him? That must explain his association with Kadaffi. His organizational support of two Kadaffi charities, which coincidently were provided $400 million from President Obama in 2009 for Muslim Advocacy and Advancement.

If you call President Obama, David Axelrod, 10 million followers, Al Sharpton, Moamar Kadaffi, and many others "No-Bodys" then I guess your logic is correct. However, few would call the president of the United States a No One. But, then again... I digress.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

Farakhan has been around for decades. No one listens to him except you. There will be uprisings in America, and they will have nothing to do with Sharia law and everything to do with economic conditions. You think the people of Wisconsin give a crap about Israel and the Muslim world?

Stop conflating nonsense.

Van Grungy
Van Grungy

You are so stupid, it's incomprehensible...

that, or you are mentally ill because you are not being paid to spread ignorance...

Markbradman
Markbradman

@Virgil, man o man. You really do have your head in the sand. "He has no following in this country"... Really? Really? From todays headlines.

Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan predicted on Sunday that America faces imminent uprisings that mirror those in the Middle East. “What you are looking at in Tunisia, in Egypt … Libya, in Bahrain … what you see happening there … you’d better prepare because it will be coming to your door,” Farrakhan said in a booming voice, thousands of followers cheering in his wake.

Farrakhan also called on President Barack Obama to allow protesters to march, urging the president not to attack innocent people when they do.

The controversial minster spoke to a packed house at the Allstate Arena in Rosemont as part of the 81st annual celebration of Saviours’ Day, which marks the birth of the faith’s founder, W. Fard Muhammad. The keynote address, titled “God will send saviours,” capped a weekend of workshops. Farrakhan has described a 1985 religious experience in which he heard the voice of Elijah Muhammad predicting historical events that came to pass. Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam will be joining Choudry on Thursday. "The Nation" represents 10 million U.S. followers.

fyi, this was yesterday. Do you need more recent citation? http://www.chicagobreakingnews...

In addition the friendship between Sharon Obama (Presidents Grandmother), Kadaffi, Jeremiah Wright, Farakahhan, Willie Barrow, Mother Kajdiahd Farakhhan, Michelle Obama, David Axelrod and Michael Fledger are very well known. Yet you disingenuously dismiss this as "extremist", and claim "who cares what this freak has to say". How about those names listed above? Please educate yourself on the factual aspects of these events.

I pray you are able to pick your head up out of he sand that has been piled around you. Do your own research. Frame your own opinions. Turn off the TV for a bit.

John Q
John Q

Anjem Choudary spews the same fascist & supremacist rhetoric that far too many Imams and Muslim Brotherhood "respected leaders" like Sheikh Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi preach everyday across the ME and the Muslim world. He's no different. Sad but true.

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