Westworld, Part II: A New Year's Appraisal of Good, God, and Evil In Allen West's America

In Part I of this article, I discussed two telling statements made by Congressman-elect Allen West during his campaign to represent Florida's 22nd District. The first revealed West's troubling inability to differentiate friendly, charitably minded American Muslims from jihadists; the second revealed West's feelings for his ideological opponents, with whom he may have some difficulty compromising during his term in office. Things get weirder below, where West defends the biblical rationale for slavery.

Shem, Japheth, Ham, and Racism




Much attention has been paid in the media to Allen West's mistrust of Muslims in general, but very little has been said about the origins of that mistrust and of West's disdain for Palestinians in particular. Which is too bad. The roots of West's animus are explained in some detail on his campaign site, and they are bizarre. "I do not support the creation of a Palestinian state...," West writes. "I do not support any division of Jerusalem. If I recall from history and the Old Testament, David, Son of Israel built Jerusalem and his son Solomon made it great. The muslim [sic] claims to Jerusalem are built upon a very contentious story concocted by muhammad [sic], and of course the latter conquering of the city, even by Salahaddin."

Supposing the Bible is a trustworthy historical record, which it isn't, and even supposing it is morally acceptable to eject a family from its home because of a region's historic religious allegiance, which it isn't, West is setting an impractically high standard for historical justice. So high, in fact, that it invalidates West's election to Congress -- because, by that standard, Florida's 22nd District is already spoken for by animistic, pantheistic Native Americans. And if West's feelings toward the Ais, Mayaimi, and Tequesta Indians are less tender than his feelings toward Israeli Jews, we ought to know why.

West continues:

Genesis Chapter 16, verses 11-12 states, 'And the Angel of the Lord said to her (Hagar): Behold you are with child, and you shall bear a son, and you shall call his name Ishmael, because the Lord has heard your affliction. He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against everyman, and every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.'

Ishmael of course became the beginning of the Arab people, and God's word is immutable truth.
Jewish and Christian readers will recall that Hagar was the handmaiden of Sarai, wife of Abraham, who was "given to" Abraham by Sarai because Sarai could not conceive. Hagar was, in other words, a slave. That West, an intelligent black man, would use such a passage to argue for the marginalization of Arabic peoples betrays either a surprising ignorance of history or else a troubling immunity to facts.

West's rationalization relies upon a literal belief in the Great Flood, in the time of Noah. According to the Bible, Noah's sons, Shem, Japheth, and Ham, repopulated the Earth when the waters receded. Unless West is kidding in the above quote, it is plain that he clings to the once-popular notion that each of Noah's sons spawned one of the three basic "races" of humanity. Shem's children became the Jews, Arabs, and other Middle Eastern ethnicities; Japheth's children became the Indo-Europeans; and the children of Ham became black Africans, afflicted with the "curse of Ham." Abraham and Sarai were descendants of Shem -- "Shemites" or "Semites." Poor Hagar, the raped handmaiden, was a Canaanite -- a descendant of Ham. Black, in other words.

So the story of Hagar and her cursed son, Ishmael, is a warning against the mixing of races. As such, it has been a keystone of racist and pro-slavery arguments for centuries. In Pictures of Slavery and Anti-Slavery: Advantages of Negro Slavery and the Benefits of Negro Freedom,  pro-slavery polemicist John Bell Robinson cites the same passage as proof-positive of the Bible's veracity and pro-slavery tenor. "If slavery was a sin against God," he wrote, "was this not a good time to make it known?

Here was a messenger directly from the throne of the eternal God; yet he utters not one word against the institution of slavery, but tells Hagar to return to her mistress, and to submit herself under her hands... It has now been thirty-seven hundred and seventy years since the angel talked with Hagar as above; and from thence unto the present day, the descendants of Ishmael have been against every man, and every man has been against them... They are universally thieves, robbers, and and murderers; after committing their depredation, they can retire into the desert with such precipitancy that they cannot be caught... The Abysynnians, Persians, Egyptians, and Turks have endeavored to subjugate those Bedouin Arabs... but ultimately all was abortive... [the Arabs] remain as living monuments to the truth of the Holy Scriptures, and of the disapprobation of God to any mixture of blood with the descendants of Canaan.
If West truly believes that "Ishmael is the beginning of the Arab peoples" and if he believes that "God's word is immutable truth," then he believes that the Arabs are cursed because they are mulattos. Which may explain his intense dislike of Barack Obama.

Of course, Ishmael is not "the beginning" of the Arab people, any more than Noah's son, Ham, fathered all black Africans. When Noah allegedly built his Ark, Africa was already inhabited. And though the population of Africa has known more than its share of trials -- many of them due to the divinely mandated racism of West's Bible -- a cataclysmic global flood was not one of them. Black Africa didn't hear about West's god until much, much later.

Right and Wrong Americans

Human craziness knows no bounds, but I cannot quite bring myself to believe that Allen West hates mulattos. Nor do I think he really considers himself a descendant of Ham. Normal people rejected or forgot about the racialist interpretations of the Old Testament a century ago.

But the story of Hagar is a useful metaphor, for those who like biblical metaphors. As West must. He is a devout Christian, after all -- which is why it's interesting to consider that, of the nearly 800,000 words in the Bible, the ones he elected to quote on his website focus not on charity, divine love, stewardship of the Earth, or the brotherhood of man but on a generational curse imposed upon an infant because his enslaved mother was stupid enough to be raped by a Shemite. I'm sure West's editorial selection in no way represents the depth and breadth of his theology. But it certainly speaks to his enthusiasms.

Those enthusiasms are moralist and martial. Last night's docile performance on Fox notwithstanding, West has not been shy about his feelings for those with whom he disagrees. He hates them -- "them" including, inevitably, the 41 percent of voters in his own district who cast their votes for Ron Klein -- and he is not afraid to blur a fact, distort a history, or conjure a strawman to elicit a similar antipathy among his fans.

As West has made abundantly clear, he believes there are right and wrong kinds of Americans, and the mark of that righteousness is neither citizenship nor patriotism but the approval of Allen West and those who love him. In his Jupiter address, West discussed the inhabitants of Islamberg village in the same breath as illegal immigrants because, like Mexicans, these New Yorkers have no place in Allen West's America, where every disagreement is a war and complex questions of ethics and governance that have confounded the thinkers of three millenia are answered in the bluntest terms of good and evil.

Citizenship, said West in his Jupiter address, quoting Teddy Roosevelt, is "predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American. And nothing but an American." But what's an American? In nearly every speech, in nearly every interview, West offers his definition in the negative. Yes, an American must be a hard worker. Yes, an American must be independent and brave. Yes, an American must love her country. But it's for naught if she's a Palestinian sympathizer. She's not American if she's also a Muslim. She isn't American if she's a liberal or a socialist or an inhabitant of Massachusetts' Fourth District. An American cannot have a certain kind of bumper sticker.

It is unclear whether Allen West has thoroughly considered the implications of his exclusionary conception of America. He is a student of history but a poor one -- doubly so if he believes that Noah is humanity's most recent common ancestor. Yet even if his brief Bible lesson was a fib, West's knowledge is decidedly piecemeal, and his conclusions are often laughable. (During his Jupiter speech, West blamed the fall of Rome on illegal immigrants. It is a heartbreaking irony that Rome's fall had far more to do with the Empire's post-Constantine intolerance of religious diversity.) He may not realize that, by labeling every dissenter a traitor, he echoes not his beloved Founding Fathers but leaders of far grimmer revolutions.

Allen West may mellow. He may not. He may run for president. It is indisputable, however, that Florida's 22nd has elected a representative whose conception of the United States is so small that it cannot even contain the multitudes of his own district. The United States is vast, perplexing, containing an infinity of perspectives -- far too many for any politician, or even a poet, to understand. I wish West would read less Old Testament and more Whitman, Tocqueville, and Wilde. Those men may not bring him any closer to understanding what America is, but he might at least learn that he'll never be wise enough to know for sure.
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Astrodude
Astrodude

Palestinians weren't deliberately evicted from their homes. There are many loyal Israeli druze muslims living in Israel. They were offered half of the land before it was settled. The so called "Palestinians" left Israel in the 1948 war and then returned to find previously vacant land occupied with civilized infrastructure. Being goat herders and camel jockeys, the other middle eastern countries were jealous and attacked. There is no evidence of any land ownership prior to 1947 by the ancestors of the PLO, Hamas, and Fatah. If evidence is produced, then the Palestinians should be compensated and they should work with Fatah to establish a sane Palestinian state.

The Israeli's right to the land is based on the fact that they are civilized while the surrounding cultures are backwards and savage. Luckily, some Muslims in the middle east have made peace with Israel and are becoming civilized and a lot of Egyptians have wanted peace and modernization. Israel is one of the few countries in the Middle East where it is a crime to kill Brandon K. Thorp, so he should be grateful for Israel. In PLO territories, it isn't a crime to kill a homosexual as long as it has been approved by a sharia scholar.

wildjew
wildjew

Corrected post:

Mr. Starkwell, I'm not here to argue corporate and banker malfeasance, wrongdoing, etc. That is not what this piece is about. It has more to do with national security and foreign policy. If you think Israel has no jihad problem, you are not living in reality. If you cannot see the changes (demographic and other changes) in European countries, the UK, France, Holland, Sweden, etc., you are not living in reality.

watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Americans like Congressman West take notice; wisely so. Others Mr. Starkwell have their proverbial heads in the sand.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

Wild Jew:

First, the corporate and banker "malfeasance" that has occurred in this country is in fact an ongoing national security issue, one that poses a much greater threat to us than some imagined threat from some loose band of nobodies who live thousands of miles away and who train on monkey bars.

You neo-conservatives have been blabbering about ancient muslim calpihates and other nonsense for about a decade now, and I am here to tell you that all of you--christian evangelical sheep included--have vastly overplayed your respective hands. For years, we hear from your propaganda organs about muslim sleeper cells and other nonsense that never materializes. Even the original attack that created this madness--9/11-- is steeped in controversey, with an evergrowing number of credible people questioning the official story.

During the 2010 midterm elections, I received campaign literature from candidates that was dedicated entirely to issues involving Israel. Can you imagine someone running for the Israel Knesset distributing campaign literature to a citizen of Tel Aviv, with the entire pamphlet dedicated to issues involving America?

So, what I am saying to you politely is that while I adore jews and support the State of Israel--albeit with my own definition of support--I do not want American politicians like West spending an inordinate amount of time addressing the issues of a foreign nation.

I am an American first, always have been and always will be! And an overwhelming majority of the 1.6 billion muslims in the world are not our enemy. My definition of "our" is the United States of America.

I already know what your definition of "our" is, so there is no need to answer.

wildjew
wildjew

OK, fine Mr. Starkwell. You have eloquently presented your point of view; there is no global jihad threat - that "Neoconservatives" like Allen West and others are inventing a national security threat out of whole cloth - and I have presented my point of view. You question the veracity of the Congressional 9/11 Commission Report which fingered Muslim jihadists, 15 of the 19 hijackers of which were Saudi nationals. Bin Laden is also Saudi. Saudi Arabia is the seat Wahhabi Islam. It is the official state religion. Perhaps you have some sympathy for so-called 9/11 Truthers who believe the September 2001 atrocities were in whole or in part an inside government job. I don't know what there is to discuss further, you and I. Perhaps we should let it rest for now and see what develops in the months and the years to come. Thanks for the discussion.

wildjew
wildjew

Brandon, I did not say the New Testament is the "friendliest." Many scholars believe the the seeds of anti-Semitism are sown in the New Testament - as do I - particularly in the book of John; though not murderous anti-Semitism, i.e., "I was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" and "forgive them Father for they know not what they do." What I think I said was that Christians would have difficulty justifying historic, murderous violence against non-Christians on the teachings of Jesus who did not teach violence, in my generous view. Not so Muslim violence against non-Muslims based on the life and the teachings of Muhammad.

Where are all these millions of Muslims who are "kind, forgiving, and can't stand the thought of harm coming to their fellow human beings?" Where do you see them in the Middle East? In what country? What polls can you cite in Israel (for example) where the vast majority of Muslims do not support homicide / suicide bombings (martyrdom operations) against innocent Jews? Did you see the televised images of Palestinian Muslims and other Muslims throughout the ME celebrating on 9/11? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

I did not point out the Torah is a violent book or that it is comparable to the Qur'an. In war there is violence. Do you not see the violence on the part of the Allies in the second world war? Were the Allies then the bad guys (or just as evil as the Nazis) because they returned violence for violence? Sorry Brandon, there is no comparison between the Torah and the Qur'an. Unlike the Qur'an, the Torah did not command the Israelites to wage wars against "unbelievers." Moses did not command Joshua to kill "unbelievers" only because they did not believe YHWH is God and Moses His true prophet; unlike Islam Brandon. You cannot make this distinction?

Sincerely,Steve

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

Wild Steve:

Allow me to educate you for a moment. While you may be well versed in ancient--and largely irrelevant-- scriptures, I am well versed in something called "reality". You know, what actually occurs here on planet earth and not in some old and outdated book?

The "reality" is that Muslims-- even the radical ones-- are not the greatest threat to America. Muslims did not collapse the financial system via a ponzi scheme built on derivatives trading. Muslims didn't send American jobs overseas over the last three decades, destroying the middle class in the process.

No sir, the perpetrators of these acts, which have caused great harm to America--the greatest--can be found in lower Manhattan. They can be found running our "private" central bank. They can be found in the boardrooms of our largest companies.

Psssss........they ain't Muslim.

wildjew
wildjew

Mr. Starkwell, I'm not here to argue corporate and banker malfeasance, wrongdoing, etc. That is not what this piece is about. It has more to do with national security and foreign policy. If you do not think Israel has no jihad problem, you are not living in reality. If you cannot see the changes (demographic and other changes) in European countries, the UK, France, Holland, Sweden, etc., you are not living in reality.

watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Americans like Congressman West take notice; wisely so. Others Mr. Starkwell have their proverbial heads in the sand.

wildjew
wildjew

Brandon, thanks for your reply. Maybe I've got you pegged wrong. Then I am sorry for what I wrote. I don't know Allen West well enough to say I support him on each and every issue. West may prove to be a disappointment. I hope not. Jews and Christians can agree on morals and ethics (what we call "Judeo-Christian" values), while parting company on theological interpretations which are not insignificant.

The Jews as "god-killers," taught from the pulpit, lay at the heart of centuries of Christian persecution, pogroms, exiles, etc. Historians and scholars acknowledge without this church-generated anti-Semitism, the Nazi Holocaust would have been inconceivable, though I do not believe Nazi ideology was Christian.

I will follow Congressman West by giving him the benefit of the doubt. West does not appear all that different from many conservative Christians who I generally find myself agreeing with on the issues. I am pro-life. I am pro-traditional family. Though I voted for George W. Bush in 2000, I did find myself parting company with many conservative Christian neighbors on Bush's foreign policy; particularly his support for a Palestinian Muslim state in Israel (which will be an existential threat) and his less than honest pronouncements about his and his father's Saudi / Wahhabi friends (who were up to their necks in the September atrocities) and his pronouncements about Islam in general. West seems to have a better grasp on Islam than President Bush. I believe Bush was less than candid on many of these issues. Consequently, Bush lost my respect and trust, though to me, President Obama is much worse than Bush.

That having been said, today it is not Christians I worry about; but a certain interpretation of Islam from the Qur'an, the Hadith, the life (example) and the teachings of the prophet Muhammad, etc. On 9/11/2001, did it occur to you followers of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell flew those planes into the World Trade Center towers? It did not occur to me. I think we have a huge problem on our hands and I do not believe it is going to go away. Do you? As these devout Muslims and terror supporting states (Iran for example) develop weapons of mass destruction and the ability to deliver them, this world is going to be a far more dangerous place in the years to come. With the Soviets (the Russians) though I deplore the ideology, at least we were / are dealing with essentially rational people. Do you think the apocalyptic Mullahs of Iran, Ahmadinejad, bin Laden, etc., are rational as we understand rational?

Brandon K. Thorp
Brandon K. Thorp

Greetings, Wildjew. Thanks for your reply.

I certainly agree that militant Islam is a much more pressing issue than militant Christianity, militant Judaism, or -- why not? -- militant Wicca. But this is not to the credit of Christianity, Judaism, or Wicca. Rather, it is due to luck. It just so happens that most Christians, Jews, and Wiccans to live in countries where Enlightenment values first took hold.

You mention Pat Robertson. I don't like him, but I like him a great deal better than I would have liked his equal numbers from centuries past. I am thinking of the American preacher Jonathan Edwards, the Baptist who wrote "Sinners In The Hands of an Angry God." Not the most cuddly book. Edwards lived in a country that had lately hanged "witches"; a country where the mean level of religious devotion was slightly greater than that in modern-day Iran, and slightly less than that in modern-day Saudi Arabia. If Pat Robertson was transported to Edward's day, he would be denounced as a heathen and a libertine, and run out of town.

Why? It's because the Enlightenment seeps in. Pat Robertson has taken a massive dose of secular, Enlightenment values without even realizing it. Now, when he mouths his obeisance to freedom of religion or expression, or suggests that homosexuals, while sinners, ought to be "loved" and treated nicely, he thinks it's because his religion is naturally loving and compassionate, and very far superior to Islam. It's not. Robertson is disinclined to commit murder in the name of Jesus because his religion has been watered down by the values espoused by yesteryear's heretics -- such as the atheistic Thomas Paine, or the deist Thomas Jefferson. Without such men, many American Christians would be ethically indistinguishable from the Salafists.

I don't mean to give Salafists a pass. My point is only that our grip on civilization isn't quite so strong as we think, and if we want to maintain it, we'd better be careful about feeling too superior.

- BKT

wildjew
wildjew

You make some good points. As you can see from what I've written above about historic Christian anti-Semitism, I am not an apologist for the church. Though Luther turned into a vicious anti-Semite, I would like to believe the Protestant reformation was, on the whole an improvement over early Catholicism from which much anti-Semitism / anti-Judaism came. Even as late as the nineteenth and twentieth centuries there was much racial and religious anti-Semitism propagated by official church organs; in Civiltà Cattolica and L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's official newspaper. Much has been written about WWII Pope Pius XII and his silence throughout the Holocaust. Catholic author, John Cornwell was attacked unmercifully (by apologists for the church) for what I believe an honest and forthright appraisal of Eugenio Pacelli (Pius XII).

I spoke of our theological differences, Jews and Christians. The one thing Christianity has in common with Islam (though perhaps not on the same scale or level) is this belief in hell-fire or eternal torment to which the wicked are consigned (as you mention above). Christians argue the NT is not nearly as vivid or descriptive as the Qur'an on this topic, nor does the God of the NT take the kind of sadistic pleasure in the torment of his creation. Not only does Judaism profoundly differ with Islam and Christianity about "hell" (there is no such concept in the Hebrew Bible) but also on who is destined for divine judgment. Both Christianity and Islam, as I understand it, hold the "wicked" are "unbelievers." A non-believer, no matter how decent or righteous he or she may be, (according to fundamentalist Christianity / Orthodox Islam) will inevitably be consigned to an eternity of torment. Judaism (the rabbis) on the other hand hold that "all righteous peoples have a place in the world to come."

The one area we disagree is in your assertion, "militant Islam is a much more pressing issue than militant Christianity, militant Judaism.... etc., but this is not to the credit of Christianity, Judaism, or Wicca, rather it just so happens that most Christians, Jews, and Wiccans to live in countries where Enlightenment values first took hold."

I cannot speak for Christianity or Wicca. I can however speak for Judaism. Let me quote from British historian Paul Johnson, who wrote: "After (a son) was thirteen, the Deuteronomic Law of the Rebellious Son applied. In theory a defiant son could be taken before the elders, convicted and stoned to death; he could be scourged even on the first offence. The Talmud said no such case had ever occurred, but the shadow of the Law lay over the son. (A History of the Jews, page 295)

In the history of the Jews, from Biblical times onward, our heart has been greater than the rigid application of Jewish law in all its severity, as (contrary to what religious skeptics allege) was the heart of God in the Bible. More often God (e.g., Cain, Moses, David, etc.) displayed mercy and forbearance over strict application of the law.

"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?" (Jonah chapter 4) Israel's prophets repeatedly warned the nation for centuries before God visited judgment on Israel at the hands of the Babylonians, the Assyrians; the Romans.

Not so in the history of Islam. There is no mercy extended to the unbeliever. I see no mercy today where Shariah law is applied throughout the Muslim world in all its cruelty and barbarism. Women and homosexuals are stoned. We see female genital mutilation and honor killings, polygamy, slavery. Thieves have their limbs amputated in Saudi Arabia (America's great "friend" and ally), in Iran and other Muslim countries. Blasphemy and apostasy are capital offenses. Christian churches are regularly bombed throughout the Muslim world as I write. A newspaper in Europe prints a Muhammad cartoon and the entire Muslim world explodes in violence, riots, murder. I see no mercy. I see no tolerance. I see no forbearance. European and American Muslims and their (Muslim Brotherhood) leaders (Council on American Islamic Relations, for example) are striving to impose elements of Sharia law in the West. I have a problem with that. Don't you? The political left seems most toleratant of this kind of activism. West, to his credit, is not. Or are you looking forward to living under Sharia law? I think I know the answer.

Brandon K. Thorp
Brandon K. Thorp

Wildjew:

No, I am not looking forward to living under Sharia law. All clerics are ridiculous, and a distressing number of Muslim clerics are both ridiculous and barbaric; I would not like to live, even for a minute, in a land where their laws ruled.

That said, you've rather proven my point. For twelve centuries, diaspora Jews lived under the brutal yoke of oppressive Christianity -- and, pogroms aside, the New Testament is the holy book you single out as being the friendliest. It doesn't much seem to matter what's in the book. What matters, I think, is that a perfect belief in one's own righteousness + power = persecution. Try as I might, I can't think of an exception.

You say you find no mercy among the Muslims, but you're overlooking the great number of Muslims who, like the great majority of Jews, are kind, forgiving, and can't stand the thought of harm coming to their fellow human beings. The Koran is a bloody book, no doubt -- but as you pointed out, so is the Torah. And yet you are a nice person, I assume. As a nice person, you have set yourself against "the rigid application of Jewish law in all its severity," which means that you are a rebel against the dicta of your own religion. A more serious practitioner could very well stumble along one day and decide your apostasy is worthy of death. What's to stop them? Why is your interpretation of Judaism correct, and this hypothetical tyrant's wrong?

What I don't understand is why an intelligent person, as you seem to be, would rally to a document like the Torah or the Koran in the first place. These are ugly, ugly books -- you as much as said so. In an above comment, you cite the Ten Commandments as being a worthy contribution to world wisdom, but tell me: Do you really think you couldn't have come up with a list just as worthy, just as wise, in a matter of minutes? If I was a deity handing down the Law, I would probably worry less about people remembering to honor me -- which is all that is dealt with in the first three Commandments, in the usual reading -- and include something about, say, the diddling of children.

What I'm saying is that the ethics of the Torah aren't especially special. What's special about the Torah, and of religious books generally, is the brutality. Any idiot could come up with the Ten Commandments; it takes a rare genius to get giddy over the extermination of the Amalekites. What about this document is worth revering?

- BKT

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

"Democracy cannot be built on racist laws!”, “Wake up – Fascism is already on the march!”Gush Shalom, Israeli Human Rights group that fights against the inhumane and apartheid policies of the fascist Israeli coalition government, policies that are consisently found to be in violation of international law.

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/ho...

Rabbi "Wild Jew': You can spew your ancient gobbedlygook and propaganda all you want. There is no doubt that certain segments of the Muslim world are backwards in their thinking, customs and culture.

However, the rightwing zionist movement in both America and Israel attempts to conflate the actions of a minority by dehumanizing a population of 1.6 billion people. This is not the way to deal with Muslims and is hurting the cause of jews worldwide. These fascists are the greatest threat to world peace.

Israel has become a theocracy that implements apartheid-like policies, refuses to declare their nuclear weapons stockpile and is consistently in violation of International Law.

This is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of historical record.

lifelongyankfan
lifelongyankfan

Anyone who bases any aspect of his or her conduct on the words in any bible is a complete ignoramus and total moron. Use your brain, people. Throw the bibles away.

wildjew
wildjew

How about:

Honor your father and your motherYou shall not murder.You shall not commit adultery.You shall not steal.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor...(?)

Ignorance? Throw it away?

wildjew
wildjew

Ninja, you wrote: "Jesus preached love and tolerance, West preaches the opposite.He didn't say love thy neighbor except for those people over there who are different from you."

Look. I am a Jew. I can't explain nor defend everything that was written in the Christian Bible. If I did then I would be a Christian. But the gospel accounts have some discrepancies. In one account, for example, it has Jesus and / or the Jews saying things that can be found in no other account. Most Jews who defend Jesus, do so on the basis that they believe he was a Torah-observant Jew. Love and tolerance is to be expected toward your own people (in Jesus' case the Jewish people; the "lost sheep of the house of Israel"); toward your "neighbor" and your friends. Israel has many Christian friends like Allen West. If Congressman proves himself a friend to Israel then he is a friend, and I might add, a friend of Israel is a friend of Israel's God; the God of heaven and earth. But we cannot extend love and tolerance toward those who wish our destruction. Can we? Do you actually believe Jesus would have taught love and tolerance toward Nazis and the Third Reich?

FL Dem Ninja
FL Dem Ninja

Precisely just as Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi did after him. Besides West preaches intolerance toward the very people he even represents not just his perceived enemy.

wildjew
wildjew

There is nothing in Jewish law that says we are to love or embrace evil and evil doers. Just the opposite is the case. Moses wrote in the book of Deuteronomy: "You shall purge the evil from your midst." Jesus was and is a Jew. Who are these people West represents that he preaches intolerance toward?

wildjew
wildjew

Starkwell: " I adore jews (sic). They are my friends and family....."

Right. "Some of my best friends are Jews. Therefore I am entitled to vent at length about the criminal ZIONIST cabal - the vermin - which plagues mankind!"

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

Not "some" of my best friends. My best friends and family members. And what you don't seem to comprehend is that "zionism" is not akin to Judaism. In fact, many jews believe that zionism is the enemy of jews worldwide.

http://jewsagainstzionism.com/

You can froth at the mouth like a "wild" dog all you want. You can smear and defame until your heart is content. You can disseminate your neo-fascist propaganda all day long, but none of that will change the fact that the enemies of humanity are aligned with those entites that have waged war against 1.6 billion muslims, the overwhelming majority of whom are peace loving citizens of the world.

wildjew
wildjew

Well I see you cite the ultra-anti-Semitic (yes, Jews can also be anti-Semites) organization, Neturei Karta, which denies Israel's right to exist; which does not shrink from joining with Israel's worst enemies, Holocaust deniers, etc; with Iran's Holocaust-denying president who calls for Israel to wiped off the map. When you say Zionism is not akin to Judaism, it depends on what tenet of Zionism you are talking about. If we are speaking of secular Zionism, maybe some secular Zionists embrace tenets that are not consitent with Torah or they do not see Torah (the law of Moses) as a guiding document, but on the essentials of Zionism (even seculars agree) Israel is our historic homeland, there is no disagreement. You may be right, Zionism may not in every respect be synonymous with Judaism but then it depends upon what you believe is authentic "Judaism." (The group you cite) Neturei Karta's Judaism is not my Judaism, nor would I argue is it "normative" or authentic Judaism. Judaism does not seek Israel's destruction.

wildjew
wildjew

Make no mistake about it, critics of Allen West like Messrs Thorp, Starkwell, Pepper et al, are grieved because of West's strong support for Israel's right of self-defense. It grieves Jew-haters and anti-Semites across the globe that today's Jew is no longer the bowed-down helpless victim, begging for mercy at the hands of our oppressors. This - demand for the helpless Jew anew - is the most vile form of anti-Semitism.

Brandon K. Thorp
Brandon K. Thorp

Greetings, wildjew, and thank you for reading. I like your handle.

Nevertheless, you are mistaken about my motivation for critiquing Allen West's position of Palestinian self-determination. I do not wish for Jews to be stateless, defenseless, or victimized. In fact, I believe Israel is the most important and valuable state in the Middle East.

But it is not important and valuable because the creator of the universe, the inventor of quantum mechanics and gravity, has set aside this land for adherents to a particular faith. It is precisely that kind of thinking that fuels the militancy of Israel's neighbors. Rather, it is Israel's secular character that makes it the region's sole semi-sane outlier; the only country for hundreds of miles in which a plurality of religious expressions, political orientations, sexual identities, and races may be tolerated. Allen West despises these pluralities, at home and abroad.

In other words: I do not disapprove of Allen West's position on Palestine because he loves Israel. I disapprove of his position because it is so similar to that of Israel's enemies. The printed record suggests that West's loathing of Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, and Hezbollah has less to do with their violent acts than with the religion to which those acts are dedicated. This is the wrong objection. A better objection would be that Khameinei, Ahmadinejad, et al. believe they have "God" on their side, and therefore are incapable of reason or compromise. Allen West can't make that objection, though, because he's got "God" on his side, too.

- BKT

wildjew
wildjew

PS: I might add, I believe God is on the side of all righteous peoples. Not simply Jews or Israel.

wildjew
wildjew

Brandon one more thing. You wrote: "The printed record suggests that West's loathing of Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, and Hezbollah has less to do with their violent acts than with the religion to which those acts are dedicated. This is the wrong objection. A better objection would be that Khameinei, Ahmadinejad, et al. believe they have "God" on their side, and therefore are incapable of reason or compromise. Allen West can't make that objection, though, because he's got "God" on his side, too...."

I regularly patronize our local convenience store which is owned by Indians who practice the Hindu religion. I find these people hard-working, peace-loving and decent. They are good neighbors and I welcome them. Immediately after 9/11 a prominent Muslim member of our community came out publicly in our newspaper declaring this violence is not Islam, nor sanctioned by Islam. I'm not sure what country he is from (UAE, maybe Kuwait) but his wife is Palestinian. I met her once at a library board meeting speaking in defense of an anti-Israel children's fiction book in our library; a book that a patron filed a protest after she found her child reading it. The Board voted to keep the book in the children's section.

Since then, friends (neighbors) who know the family tell me they believe in a world-Jewish conspiracy (media, banks, etc., all controlled by the Jews) and they neither like the Jews nor do they like Israel. They despise Israel. To me, Muslims who hate Israel (do not accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state) are not peaceful Muslims. Furthermore, since 9/11, I've been studying Islam, its founder, its history and its teachings. I've got three of the best English translations of the Qur'an, two and a commentary written by Muslim scholars. Brandon, Muhammad was not a man of peace, like Jesus for example. He was a bloody warrior, more akin to King David - who because he (David) had blood on his hands was not permitted to build the Temple in Jerusalem. Muhammad founded a great world religion. You might argue that Judaism and Christianity are not peaceful religions but they do not hold a candle to Islam and some maintain that Christians who did violence in the name of Christianity could not invoke the teachings of Jesus. Not so Muslims, Muhammad!

If Congressman West's loathing of militant Muslims (or Islam) is only about the religion of Islam and not about violent acts, then I disagree with West. The fact that Islam or Muslims believe they have God on their side is in no way unique to Islam. Virtually every religious leader or king in the Bible believed they had God on their side. Read David's Psalms. David believed Israel has God on her side. I believe Israel has God on our side. So? That does not make me intolerant. I believe God (if you will) is on the side of the righteous. If you think Osama bin Laden is righteous, fine. We disagree, you and I.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

"Israel doesn't want peace". Gideon Levy, Prominent Israeli journalist. August 8, 2007.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-e...

I guess Gideon is a bigot and an anti-semite. Right "wild" one?

wildjew
wildjew

That is one Jews' opinion. So? Haaretz is a left-leaning newspaper. It is so far to the left, I do not read it anymore. I generally read Jerusalem Post and YNet. Also Arutz Sheva which is a conspicuously right-leaning site. Both J. Post and YNet are left-leaning but at least they present the other side and they are not blatantly biased, though there are many on the right who believe they are. With Haaretz, there is no question.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

You do not read it anymore because you are a rightwing zealot who is set in his ancient way of thinking and his dogma, too narrow minded to accept differing opinions.

By citing all of these differing jewish opinions, I was merely making the point that no one--especially you--speaks for the jewish people. They are a beautiful people with a diverse point of view, even as it relates to Israel, zionism and other vital issues.

And by labelling someone an anti-semite solely because they have a different opinion, you have displayed your credentials in technicolor.

They are the credentials of a rightwing zealot and an intolerant fascist.

SMDrPepper
SMDrPepper

Allen West should not run for any office but instead run to a straight jacket. He is not right in the head. This is the same rhetoric used by certain other individuals who rose to power in the late 30s. I wont name drop but everyone SHOULD know who I am talking about.All this guy is doing is spreading hatred. He is worse than gasoline at a fire.This country does not need people like West screwing everything up. But, since I didnt vote for him cause I figured he was this bad, I guess in Wests world I have no voice.So can we impeach him yet?

wildjew
wildjew

Quoting: "The War on Terror is a fiction.....Contrary to popular myth, zionists (sic) are not limited to jews (sic)."

But make no mistake about it, Zionists - those who believe Israel is our national homeland - is code for "the Jews" on the part of anti-Semites worldwide. Anti-Zionism and its "world-conspiracy" is the new anti-Semitism.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

On the contrary, anyone who disagrees with the policies of the zionists are falsely "labeled" anti-semites. In fact, this label--which is used as a weapon-- has been so overused and diluted, it is essentially meaningless in the international community. (And this is not in the best interests of jews worldwide because there is real anti-semitism)

Zionism is not only about Israel being declared the homeland of the jews. It has now evolved into a movement of fascists who have created a theocracy which refuses to officially declare their nuclear weapons and which implements apartheid-like policies.

And these Holocaust survivors agree with me 100%. Checkmate!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

wildjew
wildjew

Nice try. People of faith - millions of Bible-believing Christians and Jews - who believe God ("if you will") gave the land of Israel to the Israelites (the Jewish people) in perpetuity, are not fascists because bigots like you think we are. Unlike the Palestinian Muslims, Jewish parents in Germany did not teach their children to hate Germans. Jewish parents in Germany did not send their children out as suicide (homicide) "martyrs for YHWH the way Muslim parents send their children to kill as many innocent Jewish women and children as possible for Allah. Only bigots (haters) like you cannot make any moral distinctions. Can you?

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

"Until this month, the shadowy Lehava organisation was best known for issuing an eccentric demand in March urging Bar Refaeli, an Israeli model, not to marry Leonardo DiCaprio, the American actor, because he is a gentile.

But in recent weeks it has taken on a more sinister hue by spearheading a series of actions that included a rally in the coastal city of Bat Yam to denounce Jews who rent their homes to Arabs.

In the broader political spectrum, Lehava may represent a tiny minority of malcontents but there is growing unease in Israel after the message about renting homes was effectively endorsed by 300 rabbis.

The rabbis, some of them of senior rank, signed up to an edict issued last month that declared: "It is forbidden in the Torah to sell a house or a field in the land of Israel to a foreigner." _________________________________________________________________________

If the shoe fits, wear it. Fascists! And regarding your baseless smears of bigotry and anti-semitism, all I have to say is...ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The international community of educated adults is no longer in fear of these baseless smears. I adore jews. They are my friends and family. And a growing number of them agree with me.

Virgil Starkwell
Virgil Starkwell

The bible is used by the enemies of justice and humanity to achieve their geopolitical goals. I am referring specifically to the acquistion of oil, natural gas and the building of vital pipelines in those regions of the world where our troops are now fighting. (See: Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan)

The War on Terror is a fiction created by those same enemies of humanity to gain public support for the above-referenced geopolitical goals. West is nothing more than another American stooge for the zionists who control this foreign policy and who need "good soldiers" to help sell it. Contrary to popular myth, zionists are not limited to jews. On the contrary, christian evangelicals-- like West-- are the key link to selling the War on Terror to the American masses. The primary sales tactic for selling the War is the dehumanization of 1.6 billion muslims. Evangelicals like West often speak of ancient caliphates and other biblical nonsense that only the most naive citizens believe. False flag attacks are implemented from time to time to remind the masses of the enemy. A consolidated and completely controlled mainstream media relentessly delivers their message.

Behind all of these policies is a criminal cabal so sinister that even if they were to publish the truth behind the historical events of the last decade in every newspaper in the country,--starting with 9/11-- many would not believe it.

And that is the truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God!

Joseph L Cooke
Joseph L Cooke

The sooner Allen West is President, the better.

2012. No liberals. No exceptions.

FL Dem Ninja
FL Dem Ninja

This is what happens when Conservatives let all the crazies out of the mental health institutions. Jesus worshipers preaching hate, quite asinine.

wildjew
wildjew

Mr. Thorp, since you like the Bible so much, I've got a Biblical quote for you from one of Israel's ancient prophets:

"They hate him who reproves in the gate, And they abhor him who speaks with integrity." (Amos chapter 5)

FL Dem Ninja
FL Dem Ninja

Allen West Forsakes Jesus main teaching, Love thy neighbor as thyself.

wildjew
wildjew

Jesus was a Jew, steeped in the Hebrew Bible, the Torah and the prophets.

'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:18)

The question is, who is my neighbor? Clearly Israel's enemies - those who were / are dedicated to our annihilation - were not (are not) considered our neighbors. Is Al Qaeda America's neighbor?

FL Dem Ninja
FL Dem Ninja

Jesus preached love and tolerance, West preaches the opposite.He didn't say love thy neighbor except for those people over there who are different from you.

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