Poker Rooms Bringing in More Money Than Dog Racing at Some Florida Tracks

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Even before Florida's new, expanded gambling laws took effect last month, more and more bettors in the Sunshine State were taking their cash to poker tables, and not to the wager windows at dog racing tracks, according to new statistics released by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering.

The gross receipts from card rooms are up across the board, and at least three tracks in Florida now take in more money from poker room than from racing.

The track in Ebro took in $2.9 million from racing and $3.4 million from the card room. The track in Pensacola took in $1.9 million from bets on dogs and more than $2 million from poker. The Melbourne track had the biggest disparity, though: making just $213,000 from racing greyhounds and more than $4.4 million from poker.

Several dogs died while racing at the Melbourne track during this period.

Mardi Gras Racetrack and Casino, in Hallandale Beach, took in a little more than $10 million from the dogs and $3.4 million from poker. The Palm Beach Kennel Club brought in $69 million from racing and just under $10 million from the card room.

Several local casino directors have suggested that they would gladly shut down the dog racing parts of their operations if they had a choice. The way the law is written, if there's no racing, there's also no slots or cards.

In Florida, to legally operate a poker room or slot machine outside of Seminole property, a casino must have a pari-mutuel license -- dispensed by the DBPR. To maintain such a license, the establishment must hold races a certain number of days per year (180 for dog tracks).

Animal-rights groups like GREY2K USA have been lobbying for years for a law removing the pari-mutuel requirement. "Greyhound racing is dying, while interest in poker continues to increase," says Carey Theil, executive director of GREY2K. "Across the state, dog tracks are becoming poker rooms that happen to have dogs running in circles."

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nate
nate

who cares...they're dogs!!!

heroicboxing
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Slack

Mark Says,

OK, I'm done talking to you Jennifer.

Mark, don't let them get the last word in?I have been asking for their documentation so I can compare it with the states and they won't give it to me? I bet it doesn't match up?

Steve

Mark
Mark

Jen Krebs says:

"All in the name of a buck"

This should be Grey2k's slogan. "We'll say anything, all in the name of a buck"

OK, I'm done talking to you Jennifer. I don't want to distract you and Carey Thiel and Christine Dorkchak from going all over the internet and talking about what's going on at greyhound racetracks that you have never in your lives been to.

Live from their cushy offices in Massachusetts that you donaters paid for it's the 3 people who know more about greyhound racing than anybody on earth.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

Mark tries to distract from the topic at hand as usual.

That topic is the cruel and inhumane sport of dog racing.

The injuries and deaths while racing, the extensive confinement, the inadequate care, the feeding of raw 4-D meat, and the euthanasia of hundreds (a very conservative estimate) of healthy, adoptable dogs every year.

All in the name of a buck,

And indeed, in vain, as this antiquated so-called 'sport' is dying.

Mark
Mark

Jennifer doesn't answer the question as usual.

Jennifer did you have a Turkey for your family on Thanksgiving? Do you think that Turkey suffered when he got his head chopped off? Did you enjoy eating that animal?

Of course you and Grey2K can't collect donations from the suffering of turkeys, chickens, pigs or cows so you don't care about those animals do you Jennifer?

Ever see a cow get his throat slit and then turned upside down so his blood could drain out Jennifer? Pretty gruesome. The cow doesn't like it very much. Why do you then eat this animal Jennifer? I thought you cared about the suffering of animals?

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

Ah, more distract-from-the-topic games from the pro-racing gallery.

Let's see.

Answer #1 - I'm a vegan.

Mark's response - 'See, they're animal rights extremists that want to deprive the entire human race of the use of animals in any way!!

Answer #2 - I like my filet mignon rare.

Mark's response - 'See, they're a bunch of hypocrites!! They can eat meat, but we can't race greyhounds?!?

Good try, Mark.

So, Mark, how long has it been since a young, healthy greyhound has been killed because it was no longer profitable?

How long has it been since a greyhound has been injured or killed during a race?

Mark
Mark

Jennifer Krebs,

How long has it been since you've eaten an animal?

Slack
Slack

Jen States,

Injury records from the state racing commissions is evidence.http://www.grey2kusa.org/racin...

Do you have the Arizona records included on those racing sheets? If not, then we know how accurate those sheets are. You take the state injury reports and change the type of injury to a more serious and glorfied event as proven in Arizona. No creditability here.

Jen States,

Milton McGregor referred to dog racing at VictoryLand as a loss leader - what he loses on the dogs is made up by his so-called bingo machines.

You are out of touch on this one. Today they closed Victoryland due to a possibe raid by the Governor and Tyson. If your statement is true, why is Milton supporting racing startin on this Thursay. Becasue he understands unemployment and livelihood.

Jen States,

No matter the games the people in dog racing play to try and the lies they tell to justify, excuse, and cover up what goes on in dog racing, the general public knows the truth, and the industry is dying in good part because of it.

The industry is dying due to the casino's offering instant return on betting (ie pull a handle or play a hand of poker.) Our form of entertainment is not what the public is betting, not because of cruelty to greyhounds. You need to state cruelty so you can keep your "PR" machine going of the high expenses absorbed by payroll and lobbying.

Jen States,

In Florida this year, several dog track owners supported a bill that would have terminated live racing requirements and still allow them to operate the other forms of gambling at their facilities. They are tired of losing money on dog racing.

Did they win that Jen? The public understands who was there first. We have paid taxes for 50 years or more, the Indian's don't.

Cyndi R States,

The legislation that is included in the pari-mutuel license which states that an establishment that offers slots and other gambling must also hold a certain number of dog races per year is not only outdated, it makes no sense, especially not in an atmosphere where the public is making it clear they are no longer interested in dog racing.

Do you understand that the casino's could not get a license in the state, so THEY CHOSE to use the pari-mutual license already in place and that saved them a lot of money and INSTANT dollars. Then all those dollars leave the state and go to other states where their head office is located. Doesn't even stay within the state to help the economy. But that's ok if you live in California etc etc etc. No impact on those people. So the bottom line is, If I have something you want, you pay. That's the American Way isn't it? But you put a different spin on it, ie cruelty of animals is why the public doesn't support greyhound racing and this requirement should be voted out.

I could go on and on, but in the state of Mass. if we did the vote again, you would loose. The reason is, the people in the Western part of the state believed what was put in front of them on the ballot and the Eastern part of the state knew what racing was about and the true adoptions that was recorded at a very high number. (ie >90%) but we didn't campaign our case very good in the whole state of Mass. Our fault.

Steve

Mark
Mark

Jennifer Krebs,

Do you EAT ANIMALS?

Cyndi R
Cyndi R

The legislation that is included in the pari-mutuel license which states that an establishment that offers slots and other gambling must also hold a certain number of dog races per year is not only outdated, it makes no sense, especially not in an atmosphere where the public is making it clear they are no longer interested in dog racing. The requirement was obviously a sneaky attempt to keep dog racing going even when the public quit going to races. It is time to get rid of antiquated legislation that only helps one group and hurts others. The public is making it clear that they would rather spend their gambling dollars on any number of less cruel and exploitive entertainment venues. The public is no longer willing to support the cruelty of dog racing.

It is high time that Florida lawmakers wake up and decide to keep up with what the voters want. The voters want a law that will remove this requirement and we want it sooner rather than later. We want injury reporting and statistics relating to each and every dog born, injured and killed on the tracks. We want a paper trail to follow each dog from birth until either death or rescue. Lawmakers... are you listening!!??

Furtermore, when the public is no longer interested in patronizing dog tracks, as is happening now, track owners should have the option of offering them what they DO want, and not be forced to shove old-fashioned, outdated options at them.

The public finds dog racing distasteful and it is a dying industry. That much is clear. It's why the NGA and trainers and breeders are fighting so dirty and running scared. They know they are on the way out. There really IS no argument... let's just let the public decide. And to do that we will at least have to remove the requirement that races MUST be run even if no one is there to see them.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

No matter the games the people in dog racing play to try and the lies they tell to justify, excuse, and cover up what goes on in dog racing, the general public knows the truth, and the industry is dying in good part because of it.

The purpose of Mr. Mooney's article was to show how several tracks make more money through poker than dog racing.

Dog tracks have closed when they haven't had some other form of gambling to prop up the dog racing business. Dairyland is a perfect example.

Milton McGregor referred to dog racing at VictoryLand as a loss leader - what he loses on the dogs is made up by his so-called bingo machines.

In Florida this year, several dog track owners supported a bill that would have terminated live racing requirements and still allow them to operate the other forms of gambling at their facilities. They are tired of losing money on dog racing.

People who go to gambling facilities at dog tracks are subsidizing the cruelty of dog racing even if they don't bet on the greyhounds.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

Your analogy is perfect, Kathy. We all have the ability to make a decision about an issue without personally experiencing it in some way. I don't have to see first hand a healthy greyhound being killed to know that I don't agree with it, and that the so-called 'sport' that is the reason for it shouldn't exist.

Extensive confinement of racing greyhounds was something I had a problem with, long before I walked through a racing kennel and saw it for myself. My seeing it in person only served to solidify my opinion of how inhumane it is.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

GREY2K USA has given nothing but facts.

Injury records from the state racing commissions is evidence.

http://www.grey2kusa.org/racin...

Any person with the ability to read can see that these gentle dogs die while racing, and that they are euthanized for treatable injuries.

Slack
Slack

Kathy Says,

I also didn�t witness the Holocaust, I didn�t witness the Civil War nor the 30,000 to 40,000 people who died in car accidents last year but the reports are credible and manifold and I accept them as part of our reality.

Those events are creditable. All the facts associated with them are documented and true. The facts you talk about are not documented except by G2K. So therefore, the facts are not creditable. Like I told "April", give me documented facts in writing and we can prove the facts. Are we not both concerned about animal welfare? I am!! Lets solve these documented problems if you can provide them to me.

Steve

Steve

Kathy Pelton
Kathy Pelton

You are right Mark�I didn�t witness it but I also didn�t witness the Holocaust, I didn�t witness the Civil War nor the 30,000 to 40,000 people who died in car accidents last year but the reports are credible and manifold and I accept them as part of our reality.

Mark
Mark

Kathy Pelton says:

"I personally have not witnessed this"

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Wow, what a surprise.

Than why tell the story?

You're just like Grey2k. Make all these outlandish statements about greyhound racing but they and you have never witnessed anything in person.

It's like that story about the dogs being fed meat that is unfit for humans. How many times do you think in the history of Greyhound Racing that somebody from Grey2K was in a kennel when the dogs were being fed? Those people are never in the kennels at any track. That story is a total fabrication. They have no evidence of that whatsoever. It's a story they throw out there to shock people.

This is how Grey2K and people like Kathy Pelton operate. Continually talking about stuff that they have never witnessed in person.

Kathy Pelton
Kathy Pelton

An interesting thing happened to me today. I have a GREY2K button on my purse and, while I was at a place of business, the person who was assisting me told me that she had been a vet tech several years ago. What really upset her was when racing greyhounds were brought into the animal hospital where she worked with a simple broken hock and were euthanized. These dogs were healthy but damaged and, I guess, not worth repairing. I received an e-mail from another vet tech, currently employed at an animal hospital, who is tired of having to look into the eyes of these racing greyhounds while they are euthanized once again over a simple broken bone. Granted, I personally have not witnessed this but I do not know why these individuals would be fabricating these incidents.Perhaps this is just another ugly side of the racing industry that is still going on

ValW
ValW

April says:

PETA does some things I don't agree with, but they have done a lot to expose the cruelty in lab's, puppy mill breeding, etc. What have you done?!?

Well said, April. It seems that any time an animal welfare advocate speaks up about any issue involving animals, they are labaled 'whackos', 'terrorists', 'radical'. So tell me, all you pro racing people out there, since you loathe PeTA, HSUS, you must be in favor of the proliferation of puppy mills, crush videos, fur farming abuse of factory farmed animals---since the agencies who fight to squelch the abuse are on your s*** list.

Mike Tice
Mike Tice

April,

"Thanks Carey, Christine and everyone else to works to end dog racing and adopt out ex racers."

Could you give us a list with the names of the dogs that Carey and Christine have adopted out? Thank you very much.

Mike

Mike Tice
Mike Tice

Jen,

You are right...I don't have to prove anything. Your rhetorical responses to the questions that were asked is all the proof that myself, or anyone else that reads this discussion, would need to make a determination.

One more thing Jen. I'd be really careful about posting that I am an abuser of greyhounds. I don't take that lightly and will not be accused of that again by you.

The bottom line is that you made some statements about greyhound abuse on a farm in Florida. When you were asked to provide the name of the farm, you didn't and gave the reasons why.

You provided no documentation or evidence of any kind to prove your accusations, so anyone following this discussion will be left not knowing who he or she should believe. That's a pretty good strategy for Grey2K USA to use and I can see why it has been successful to some degree.

But, in the end, people reading this will come to a conclusion based on their common sense and their ability to reason. Thanks to your refusal to answer questions about the supposed abuses, I know what most of them will conclude.

Slack
Slack

I love it when the unarmed come into a conversation with only the knowledge of what they are told by G2K?? Its like they went into a war with a "Water Pistol"??

April Says,

Their efforts and their supporters' efforts have gotten dog racing outlawed in several states in the last five years alone.

Name the states April?? Don't count Kansas, Arizona, New Hampshire and Wisconsin, as they closed due to money problems and not G2K. They would like to take credit, as that allows more funds to be donated.

April Says,

Those dogs are a disposable commodity to you! lf you TRULY cared about greyhounds, you'd want them to be a family pet with lots of love and attention, a good home.

We have over a 90% adoption rate. We are not 100% yet, but we put forth a strong effort to achieve 100%. We will never get credit for that, as this leads me to my next question,

April Says,

Only 20% are adopted out; the rest are "euthanized

That is a strong statement to say the least. Please show me the facts where you get those numbers and I will prove you wrong?? Take the challenge and not run your mouth off.

April Says,

Jen Krebs -- you are as usual, right on the money. Don't waste your time responding to these pro racing knuckleheads.

That statement shows your true class (ie NO-CLASS). I would never call a person a idiot or a knucklehead. That is passing judgement and you the almighty don't have that right, as we were placed on earth my the almighty, not you. So you have no creditability??

Steve

April
April

Jen Krebs -- you are as usual, right on the money. Don't waste your time responding to these pro racing knuckleheads.

NO amount of justification of racing -- "middle class people who breed, train, blah, blah, blah" will ever make dog racing legitimate! Anyone who does ANYTHING that contributes to these dog's suffering is at fault. Isn't it funny how they always seem to justify their actions, as long as they're making a BUCK OFF IT! Who are the hypocrites?!?

April
April

I think it's really sad to see that that there are so many ignorant and misinformed people, or even worse, LIARS posting trash on this website about Grey2kusa.

Grey2kusa is a registered non profit and my husband and I have been supporters of their efforts since the late '90's. Christine and Carey are 100% legitimate and their primary mission is to get the laws changed (NO dog racing) and to educate the public about the cruelties of dog racing.

To those who have criticized Carey and Christine for not doing "adoptions" (implying they must not really care), there are many things an animal rights advocate can and must do (focus!) or they'd get little accomplished, or little worth mentioning. Their efforts and their supporters' efforts have gotten dog racing outlawed in several states in the last five years alone. Face it, dog racing is a backwards, money losing, dying industry, and it needs to die a quicker death and be done with it. The Casino's will be the final nail in the coffin for the dog tracks, and that's fine with me. People choose to gamble their money away and suffer the consequences. The greyhounds have no choice! The more the public is informed, the less inclined they will be to go to the tracks to support animal cruelty.

I guess that's what really scares all you greyhound breeders, track workers, track owners, etc. who care only about lining your pockets with $$$. Those dogs are a disposable commodity to you! lf you TRULY cared about greyhounds, you'd want them to be a family pet with lots of love and attention, a good home, well fed -- not locked up in a cage 18-22 hours a day, fed USDA rejected meat unfit for human consumption, pretty much ignored, and then "gotten rid of" after they're no longer "useful" for dog racing. Only 20% are adopted out; the rest are "euthanized". Breeders breed for profit! Save the argument that they love the breed so much, etc. Not buying it.

And lastly, to all the idiotic people posting their comments implying that animal rights people are a bunch of liars, hypocrites, scammers, "PETA freaks", etc. -- I am about as staunchly conservative, GOP registered as you will find in any animal rights advocate. There are people in any group that do outlandish things, but to lump them all together is wrong. By the way, PETA does some things I don't agree with, but they have done a lot to expose the cruelty in lab's, puppy mill breeding, etc. What have you done?!?

www.grey2kusa.org I encourage anyone who loves dogs to consider visiting their website and to make a donation to their efforts. Grey2k has always acted with integrity and professionalism and I expect they always will. Thanks Carey, Christine and everyone else to works to end dog racing and adopt out ex racers.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

Everyone involved in greyhound racing is abusing them, Mike. Yourself included.

The owners of the farm were reported by the people who witnessed the conditions there. I wasn't on the farm. They told me about it after reporting it to Gary Guccione, and they received an irate call from the farm's owner, reaming them for reporting them. What could I possibly do, for them or for the dogs?

It is an example I gave of how the dog racing industry protects its own - the people, not the dogs. The dogs are never protected.

So you can 'derive conclusions' all day long, and it won't make any difference. You've proven nothing.

Yes, back to closing dog tracks now. You can go back to your abusive hobby and pretending there isn't any blood on your hands.

Slack
Slack

To Alan & Harry,

I commend you on your excellant posts. I whole heartly agree.

Steve

Harry
Harry

A link to this blog should be copied and pasted under every article about greyhound racing on the internet.

These Grey2K people were exposed as the lying, stealing, scamming, hypocrytes and PETA freaks that they are.

Mike Tice
Mike Tice

Jen,

You have given me the run around on this for a couple of days now and I can see that you are not going to answer the question. Fair enough. That tells me all I need to know about what kind of person you are as well, and your opinions mean nothing to me either.

If you were really sincere about helping greyhounds, you would not hesitate to name the people that you claim were abusing them.

So, the only conclusions I can derive from your responses are that either you are not telling the truth, or you really don't care about the greyhounds.

I guess I'll leave on that point and let you get back to closing dog tracks lol.

Have a greyt day.

Mike

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

Mike, I realize you think I have STUPID stamped on my forehead, but here's a news flash. I don't.

Do you really think I would post the names of greyhound farm owners so that they can attempt to sue me for defamation?

Do you really think you could call Gary Guccione and he would actually tell you the truth of how he tipped off the farm owners about the rescue who reported them?

Do you really think I'd put greyhounds in jeopardy, by causing problems for the rescue group that attempted to do the right thing and got burned for it?

No, Mike, I won't do any of that.

You can come on here and call me a liar and tell people you have proof of it, which you do not.

I know what I know, and I don't give a rat's rear-end what you think. You are involved in a business based on animal cruelty. That tells me all I need to know about what kind of person you are, and your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me.

I'm going to keep working on closing dog tracks now.

Exploit those greyhounds as long as you can - squeeze 'em for every last drop.

Because it will be over soon. Thank goodness for the dogs.

Mike Tice
Mike Tice

Well there you have it folks. For anyone that didn't think Jen was telling a lie about it...here's your sign lol.

I hope everyone can see through the facade that Grey2K is portraying, and this discussion is just one example of what they do.

I guess Alan put it into words better than I did when he said,"spreading unsubstantiated lies and part-truths about the industry".

Go stuff it??? LOL!!! That's quite a response Jen. I'm sure anyone reading this can tell who has gotten their feathers ruffled after being caught in a lie.

The defense rests your honor.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

I can and I won't, Mike.

You'll call the farm?? LOL - so did Gary Guccione.

Go stuff it.

ALan
ALan

Note to Carey Theil;some of us in the Greyhound Racing industry CAN actually remember the summer of 1999, when you were closely aligned with Greta Marsh ,a well-known proponent of PETA; and you should also remember the featured debate held on radio station WMNB,NORTH ADAMS,MASS., IN WHICH YOU TOOK PART !! NOW ,WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN ABOUT YOUR NOT HAVING ANY ASSOCIATION WITH PETA??? MAYBE YOU'D LIKE A TRANSCRIPT OF THAT PUBLIC DEBATE, DURING WHICH YOU STATED THAT YOU HAD NEVER EVEN BEEN TO RAYNHAM DOG TRACK'S KENNEL COMPOUND, BUT KNEW OF THE ABUSES GOING ON THERE!I KNOW you are a liar , and hope that others can also see through your veil of lies and deceit, TO GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER;you and your wife, Christine have made a sieable amount of money as lobbyists against greyhound racing since 1999, spreading unsubstantiated lies and part-truths about the industry as it stands today in these deplorable economic times.GOD has a place for people like you.

Mike Tice
Mike Tice

Sorry...that was a post from me. I forgot to list my name in the title.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Mike Tice says:QUOTE: "Sure you could Jen...sure you could...when pigs fly. I'd like to know because I say you are telling lies...is that simple enough? Can you understand that?"

YOUR REPLY:Jen Krebs says: "Again, Mike, I ask you.

Why do you want the name of the farm?

That's a very simple question, and you avoided it completely.

And you'll avoid it again."-------------------------------Are you on drugs or mentally ill or something? I answered your question. I will call the farm myself if you will give the name. I say you are a liar. All you have to do to prove me wrong is give the name of the farm in Florida. Tell me who owns it and what city in Florida it is located. You can't do it can you Jen?

I'm not sure why you think that you can make vague accusations and not expect to be questioned about the validity of the accusations. If it is a fact, then you should have NO problem providing the information. When I say vague, this is what I'm talking about.---------------------------------------QUOTE:

Jen Krebs says: "Some in greyhound rescue in Florida visited a greyhound breeding farm, and witnessed horrible neglect and terrible suffering of some brood mothers and a young, ill dog.

Someone from the rescue e-mailed Gary Guccione of the National Greyhound Association.

They never got a response.

But a few days later, the farm's owner called the person at the rescue and screamed at them for reporting the conditions at the farm.

THAT is how much the racing industry cares about these dogs"----------------------------------Some in greyhound rescue...a greyhound breeding farm...someone from the rescue...the farm's owner. Do you not see how vague that is? That could be made to fit any state, any city,any farm, anywhere. You have provided ZERO information and expect people to take it as the truth.

Jen the problem is on your end, not mine. I want to know the name of the farm so I can call them and find out. I will call Gary Guccione as well and ask him about it if you give me a name. If you are right, I will come back here and APOLOGIZE to you for calling you a liar. I WILL eat my crow.

So, the ball is in your court now Jen. Put up or shutup. Now I have answered your question(again)...what will you do?

Kathy Pelton
Kathy Pelton

I agree with you,Tom, and I am looking forward to the day when dog racing no longer exists and people obtain greyhounds just like any other dog. I really don't believe that the demise of dog racing will cause the end of the greyhound breed.

Tom Grady
Tom Grady

Actually, I've known a lot of people over the years who have horses, who are not farmers and who are not into racing. They just love horses the way many of us love dogs. Horse rescue is a growing entity. When I travel the major highway in my area of the state, I pass a number of farms and homesteads with horses.

And actually, the horse-racing industry has had to admit its faults of late - doping the horses and sending them off to slaughter when they are no longer winning - similar issues to greyhound racing. We only see the top level of the industry on TV. The underbelly is ugly.

Tom Grady
Tom Grady

Actually, knowing the level of caring people in the general public have for greyhounds, more breeders will take up breeding them - once dog racing is no longer around. It's a supply-and-demand issue. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people across the country who have dogs whose breeds are historically categorized as hunting dogs - With none of them ever used for hunting. Bassets were originally bred to be hunters, to be low to the ground for sniffing out animals.Now, I'd venture to say a vast majority of bassets are never used for hunting. Hopefully, when it comes to greyhounds, the better breeders will get involved - so that the current health issues with the dogs will be taken into consideration. But this is where we need better regulations on breeding overall - for all breeds. Greyhounds certainly - and without a doubt - don't need racing to survive - thankfully.

Harry
Harry

It's like if you eliminated Horse Racing. Do you know how many millions of people would have ZERO interest in horses if it wasn't for Horse Racing? The number of people breeding horses would go down to almost nobody.

Except for farmers, who else would be interested in horses? They are too expensive and too big to own as pets. There would be ZERO reason to breed them.

Maybe as a show horse or a steeplechase horse, and how many people have interest in that? And PETA claims that is abuse also.

Harry
Harry

Anonymous says:

If tracks close because of "financial issues" those issues are generally a result in people not wanting to bet on greyhounds anymore. Perhaps some of the things Grey2K brings to light makes people not want to bet on greyhounds anymore. They would rather bet on poker now or slots. Whatever the reason, history will look back at dog racing and wonder why the hell people liked to hurt the most beautiful breed of dogs for money.

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Hilarious comment. Greyhound racing has done more for the Greyhound breed than anything on earth. How many people do you think would own a greyhound if there wasn't greyhound racing? The majority of people who own greyhounds and we're talking MILLIONS have gotten that dog from greyhound race tracks.

And if Greyhound Racing was eliminated, which it won't be, there would be very few Greyhounds around. GREYHOUND RACING IS THE REASON THAT THESE DOGS ARE ALIVE !

Without Greyhound Racing, how many Greyhound breeders do you think there would be in this country?

So many idiots commenting on this subject , who know absolutely nothing and believe everything that comes out of the mouth of these Radical, PETA groups like Grey2k.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If tracks close because of "financial issues" those issues are generally a result in people not wanting to bet on greyhounds anymore. Perhaps some of the things Grey2K brings to light makes people not want to bet on greyhounds anymore. They would rather bet on poker now or slots. Whatever the reason, history will look back at dog racing and wonder why the hell people liked to hurt the most beautiful breed of dogs for money.

ECK78
ECK78

Tom says..

"This is a key aid in socialization and is one of the primary reasons, I believe, that greyhounds make such great pets. It also aids them in overcoming the abuses of racing - as in the confinement, injuries and in too many cases neglect."

Thanks for the backhanded compliment, lol. They couldnt be getting any kind of socialization from their handlers, right?

Jim
Jim

Talked to some people at Birmingham and they don't have the Kennel compound security sign in books from 2008 and 2009.

Nobody has heard of Jennifer Krebs.

And since she won't give the name of the people she supposedly knows there (how convenient), that's all I can do.

But let's just assume she actually was in a kennel at Birmingham. (Which I still doubt) That's one track out of how many? Carey Thiel was caught FLAT OUT LYING about being in a kennel at a race track in Florida. Dorkchak was NEVER in a kennel.

These people DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN KENNELS AT RACETRACKS. And they make all kinds of outrageous claims that they know EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. And they constantly claim that they were at tracks that they never went to and they claim GREY2K had something to do with that track closing so that the knuckleheads sending them money , KEEP SENDING IT.

The bottom line for you people donating to Grey2k is that they are ripping you off.

GREY2K had something to do with tracks closing in MASSACHUSETTS only.

If tracks close in Florida it will be because of financial problems. Not because of any supposed pressure from these 3 delusional lying knuckleheads up in Massachusetts who call themselves Grey2k.

Before you donate to them again, do some research on the internet and find out the real reasons that greyhound tracks have closed.

Google Dairyland Greyhound Park, and Phoenix Greyhound Park, and Cloverleaf Greyhound track, and Corpus Christi greyhound track.

Grey2k had nothing to do with it. They run a website and they comment on EVERY and I mean EVERY article about Greyhound Racing on the internet to make people believe that they are doing more than they are actually doing. It's a SCAM to get donations.

And with that, I'm done with this article. I will not comment anymore.

Tom Grady
Tom Grady

Chris, thanks for the link. This information is basically what I've seen previously - that greyhound puppies stay with their litter mates and in many cases with their moms longer than in some other cases. This is the only good thing I can say about dog racing, although it is inherently part of the system. The puppies have to stick around for their race training.

Actually, all breeders should leave the puppies together for at least 10 to 12 weeks - and moms with them as long as possible. This is a key aid in socialization and is one of the primary reasons, I believe, that greyhounds make such great pets. It also aids them in overcoming the abuses of racing - as in the confinement, injuries and in too many cases neglect. Too many other breeders are selling puppies off at around 6 weeks of age. This should be a huge red flag for the people buying puppies. The lack of proper socialization is one of the major reasons people are dumping their dogs off at shelters across the country. I've seen it far too many times. So the shelters and rescues keep filling up - and the puppy millers (along with the greyhound racing racing industry's sad contributions) are some of the major players in this problem.

Jen Krebs
Jen Krebs

Again, Mike, I ask you.

Why do you want the name of the farm?

That's a very simple question, and you avoided it completely.

And you'll avoid it again.

You can come here and write whatever you think is going to make a difference to defend your little hobby.

But it's not going to change reality.

Let's say it together.

DOG RACING IS A DYING INDUSTRY.

The gig's up. People don't want to watch dogs race anymore.

That's just another fact you can try to deny. And it won't make any difference.

Tom Grady
Tom Grady

Question for the racing insiders - How long do greyhound puppies stay with their litter mates and moms?

ECK78
ECK78

Another point I'd like to make is the loving nature of greyhounds once they are done with racing. G2k and anti-racing organizations will preach from the mountains what great pets greyhounds make. This is a true statement, but let me ask them this. How in the world did they become great pets? Could it be the love and attention they receive on the farm and kennels? Is the public to believe that an abused animal forgets everything from their past and all of a sudden becomes the loving couch potatoe it is? Greyhounds are good with people, babies, dogs and most are good with cats, however they were abused and trained to be killers.

Could the misintpretation of shyness be confused with abuse? Once a greyhound is adopted and welcomed into a home, he's seeing and hearing things they havent seen on a farm or kennel: stairs, phone, TV, etc. My 1 year old son jumped when he heard a phone. Does that mean he's abused or he experienced something new in life?

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