A group of about 50 Muslims from South Florida is embarking this morning on a trip to Tallahassee, where it will have secret meetings with state policymakers. It's called "Muslim Day," and the Lake Worth-based Florida Security Council says we freedom-loving Americans should be very afraid.
Summoning my courage, I placed a phone call yesterday to one of the organizers of the trip, Muhammed Malik, the new executive director of this region's Council on American-Islamic Relations. In short order, Malik confessed his nefarious plan: the group, consisting mostly of Muslim middle school, high school, and college students, wanted to talk to state officials about tuition costs at Florida universities, about health care and immigration.
Wait. That's not nefarious at all! According to the Florida Security Council, CAIR's mission is to "Islamicize" America.
Malik told me that the doctrine he knows forbids people of the faith from pressuring non-Muslims to convert. The idea that CAIR aims to "impose sharia law" on the United States, as Florida Security Council claims, is "ridiculous," says Malik. He adds: "They're marginalizing Muslim people and using fear to whip up unjustified anger."
But that's not the mission statement of the Florida Security Council. As you can see from its website, the council exists for "Securing Florida Against Terror."
And surely, the best way to prevent Muslims from committing terrorism is to stage protests when Muslim Americans have a meeting, as occurred this past weekend. Then in the days before Muslim American students head to the state capital, it's wise to release a video like the one below, full of all kinds of paranoid possibilities about a Muslim master plan.
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Oh no, the Moooslims are comin...the Moooslim are comin and they want to participate in politics.
Run the the hills people, run for your lives!!!!!
First CAIR is than legal Cival Right or human right orginate which have many muslim as member supporter. Jihadwatch is than hate site with the aim of starting than other cursade against Islam world wide which america will lose. There is over 12 million amerian muslim in america now than the number will increase in the future. Islam is now the largest religion in the world with 21% of the world population, while Christian as than whole make up 33% of the world population. Christian is divide into different sect which are independence of each other and they donot alway recognite the rite which make one than christian. Islam have sects but they are still conside Muslim than they all recognite the rite which make one than muslim.The largest christian group make up only 17 to 18 percent of the world population.
there's no place for these subhuman 7th century mudrace vermin in america.
exterminate them.
Uh...Thomas do you not know that CAIR is a Terrorist front Group and Unindicted Co-Conspirators in the Holyland Foundation Trials?
Do you not know the Muslim Brotherhood has plans to destroy America; that most large Muslim Organizations came out of the Muslim Brotherhood and share the same ideology?
Is that too small of a detail to an enlightened liberal like yourself?
It's idiots like you who are dim-wittingly COLLABORATING with the enemy,cause you're so damn blinded with your self-righteous Political Correctness.
You are a danger to your country.
Uh...Thomas do you not know that CAIR is a Terrorist front Group and Unindicted Co-Conspirators in the Holyland Foundation Trials?
Do you not know the Muslim Brotherhood has plans to destrot America, and most large Muslim Organizations came out of the Muslim Brotherhood and share the same ideology?
Is that too small of a detail to an enlightened liberal like yourself?
It's idiots like you who are dim-wittingly COLLABORATING with the enemy,cause you're so damn blinded with your self-righteous Political Correctness.
You are a danger to your country.
*Dept. Of Justice Confirms CAIR's Status Of "Unindicted Co-Conspirator" Is Legitimate: Trial transcripts and exhibits "demonstrate a relationship among CAIR, individual CAIR founders, and the Palestine Committee. Evidence was also introduced that demonstrated a relationship between the Palestine Committee and HAMAS, which was designated as a terrorist organization in 1995."
Exhibit shows CAIR listed on a Palestine Committee agenda within weeks of its 1994 creation. In response to a question from federal prosecutor Barry Jonas, FBI Agent Lara Burns said it was the first time CAIR's name appeared in internal Palestine Committee records seized by the FBI:
A. It did not exist prior to the Philadelphia meeting.
Q. So it came into being after Philadelphia?
A. That is correct.
DOJ Letter:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/360.pdf
One of Ahmed Bedier's Muslim Capitol Day friends and instructor Bassem Alhalabi, was charged with �simple battery� for attacking Joe Kaufman in the morning then an hour or two later attacked videographer J. Mark Campbell. The two assaults happened on two separate occasions, both on the same day.
Alhalabi is a professor at Florida Atlantic University (FAU), a director and co-founder of the Islamic Center of Boca Raton (ICBR), and a former associate of convicted terrorist Sami al-Arian.
In June 2003, Alhalabi was found guilty of illegally shipping a $13,000 military-grade thermal imaging device to Syria.
Ahmed Bedier is good buds with another convicted terrorist Sami al-Arian.
These attacks by Alhalabi are bigoted, racist, and Hate crime violence. Ahmed Bedier condoned these attacks with his silence. Never once did he seek out any of the two victims to make sure they were ok and apologize for his friend Alhalabi simple battery.
MUSLIM CAPITOL DAY 2010 - 2 counts simple battery against Non-Muslims by a convicted terrorist Imam Alhalabi.
Where is the outrage?
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America Akbar!
Just to clarify something: I am myself conservative, and an active member of the Republican party. I am not soft on terrorism of any religious or ideological stripe. However, it would be deeply hypocritical of me to ignore such corrosive bigotry when it comes from co-religionists, fellow Republicans, and other conservatives.
BKP:
I can read these people for myself, and have done so, from Jihad Watch to Frontpage magazine to New English Review to various other mainstream and conservative periodicals and websites. Primary sources are key in any research, and it is important, when looking at secondary sources and interpretations, to give a fair hearing to all sides. I see problems with both detractors and apologists (some greater, some smaller), but the *actual primary sources* are the root of my deep concern. Their very words condemn them.
Rachel, You poor confused child. You are so good at detecting slant and bias, yet every post begins with what you found on Google - you probably have no clue that they are leading you around by your nose per their own liberal bias! .... and "you are sitting around wondering what you can do to counter such dangerous hate", and defending Islam at the same time? LOL My god stop typing and revealing your shallowness.
@for all islam lovers
What flavor is the punch? Grape or orange?
Dear "For All Islam Lovers,"
You might pick up a copy of "Mein Kampf" sometime, and notice the many parallels between your screed and that obnoxious piece of anti-Semitic trash. Then check out Stormfront.org and see even more.
If you really believe these things, you clearly know nothing of the huge diversity of Islam, nor true patriotism, and have bought into the garbage spewing out of what I'm beginning to suspect is a group aspiring to be the next incarnation of the NSDAP. It makes me sick to contemplate, but I've studied these kinds of movements too long to ignore the evidence here. What shocks me is how bold these people are, and how well-funded---and how many people are already buying into this ignorant shit.
We have a serious problem on our hands, and it's not just from Islamists. Terrorism comes in many forms, and the people running these organizations and spreading this viciousness are no better than Goebbels and Streicher, and they are just as "truthful."
In other words: No thanks. No Nazis for me. No more ethnic cleansing. And God help you all to see how wrong you are.
for all islam lovers: for the record "islam" means submission... the muslims who adhere to islam believe that all must convert to islam and be governed by sharia law... islam is NOT a religion - it is an ideology which means it is a perspective doctrine not substantiated by any rational argument... NOW - this is the USA and we do not allow sharia law - we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights and this country is a Republic - which means we adhere to laws of this nation... the event today is a precursor to what islamists have been talking about in their rhetoric: some day the capitol will be muslim - islam will reign as will sharia law and will replace our Constitution... so when islamists shout freedom go to hell and teach in mosques that is it not only ok but necessary to kill Jews, cops, soldiers and Christians you better listen! Islamists believe that they have a duty to islam higher than the Constitution and they will lop off your head if you will not convert to their ideology! CAIR/muslim brotherhood/hamas/UVA - and the saudi prince feeding money into these organizations - are all furthering the islamist agenda and you are all being duped! in this country we do not allow these oppressive and terrorrist ideologies - we are patriots and we fight for our country - to preserve this great nation... WHEN will you all begin to SEE and understand what is happening under your noses?! our soldiers bleed and die to preserve this nation and all islam lovers hand it over in secret and in ignorance - islamists declared war and you can�t even DEFINE your enemy when he has sworn to kill you - calls you an infidel and wants to wipe your country off the map! i'm ashamed of people who cheapen our nation with their lack of understanding, commitment and fortitude to do what is correct - and instead hand over the nation's hearts and minds and future without so much as a waiver or flicker of self-doubt! to conspire with CAIR, islamists or hamas is treasonous - hello? do you understand this or do you understand this BUT it benefits you? pick your side - because enemies are foreign and domestic... and you better discover what exactly a �patriot� is! a patriot is NOT someone who believes that islam has a place in our society, government - or in our capitol!
It's high time Israel made all those flea-bitten, rug worshipping towel heads and camel humpers glow in the dark with a couple of well-dropped nukes!
Like kill 'em all and G*d bless Adam Hanser!
dan says:
ALI:
You are a bold-face Liar.
Here is the evidence data base for the USA vs Holy Land Foundation Trial were FBI evidence against CAIR founders, leaders, associates, employees, and the organization is located.
You just got to love idiots who THINK they know when they can't even read simple English!
MORON, look at what I said and do us all a freaking favor and read, yes READ and learn to comprehend before you start frothing at the mouth like some lunatic trying desperately to appear knowledgeable when you're in fact a damn ignorant buffoon!
I SAID: "1. I couldn't find a single reference to IAP on either the CIA or FBI websites. I search the term, in quotes: "Islamic Association of Palestine"."
NOW, get your sorry retarded self to www.cia.gov and www.fbi.gov and FIND ME evidence of where you find "Islamic Association of Palestine" IN FREAKING QUOTES because I hardly believe you have the intelligence of knowing what a damn phrase is in comparison to the 3 words in it!
I do not know Mr. Spencer (having only run across him from my Googling today), but he sounds like he has a serious problem, as do Ms. Geller, Mr. Pipes, etc. All one really has to do is substitute the word "Jew" for "Muslim" in these articles, and the ugliness becomes clear.
Reading so many of their posts and articles today has alerted me to a very hideous aspect of modern American society that I was not aware of when I woke up this morning, and one that seems very well-funded by powerful people, many very involved in my own beloved GOP, which really dismays me.
Indeed, a story may be true in its basic elements, yet be slanted in such a way that it is ultimately misleading. Bigotry sites like Jew Watch and Jihad Watch do this in spades. I am a researcher by profession, and am very capable of assessing slant and bias, and reading the explicit and implicit messages in a given medium.
To be honest, I am now sitting here wondering what I need to do to counter such dangerous hate. It is important to be aware of embryonic terrorism in our midst, but to be frank, the language I've been reading today smacks of its own growing terror. I will not stand aside and allow people to be persecuted for their faith. The posts I've read today all clearly lead to that very thing. Never again.
I must commend the writer of this article, and especially the first posters who started slamming on CAIR. If I had not started to investigate the issues myself, I might not have known so soon about these organized campaigns against Muslims.
Actually, as an atheist, I think all of you religious fucktards are bad news...
In the name of gawd... Shitfire, why not... In the name of perky tits...
john abegail-
You are confused in oh so many ways. I advocate only that current members of CAIR *voluntarily* dissociate themselves with that organization. Just as I recognize the legal right for purely ideological organizations to exist in the US, such as Nazis and other scum, so do I recognize a legal right for CAIR to exist. Until they violate our laws. John, Mr. Civil Rights, do you recognize *my* right to oppose CAIR?
Rachel-
When I read your comments on Jihad Watch, all I take from them is 1) you don't like the "style" in which information is presented, and 2) you have a personal distaste for that blog's author. What I don't take from your comments is any suggestion that the information reported on Jihad Watch is false. If it were, rest assured the good folks over at CAIR would have successfully sued Mr. Spencer for libel long ago, and they never have. Put another way, you are simply shooting the messenger.
Rachel, I will not disagree with you that if one were inclined to hate Muslims, then Jihad Watch might fuel that hatred. No different than if one were inclined to hate Italians, then episodes of Jersey Shore would fuel that fire. We do live in America, where we should be told the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Can you point to a single incident where Jihad Watch has lied about an incident of human rights violations in the name of jihad? Please tell.
Ali-
"I don't know much of Hamas or IAP"
Dan is probably correct in that you are a liar. But if you're not, then how are you possibly qualified to offer anything meaningful to the discussion if you don't know humus from Hamas.
ALI:
You are a bold-face Liar.
Here is the evidence data base for the USA vs Holy Land Foundation Trial were FBI evidence against CAIR founders, leaders, associates, employees, and the organization is located.
http://www.txnd.uscourts.gov/judges/hlf2.html
Quit being a disingenuous Pussy and research.
That may mean a little effort on your part, but you're smarter than the rest of us, so it should be no problem...
islam is an all male aggressive mafia. it encourages its members to lie to the infidel to destroy them from within. they live off resentment and psuedo victimization and share that with socialism of all kinds, from the nazis to the communists. wake up america.
Islam is an all male aggressive tribal mafia. It lives off resentlment and psuedo victimization. It shares these sources of energy with socialists of all kinds, from nazis to communists. Their religion encourages them to lie to the infidel as a means of destroying them from within. Wake up America.
LOL. If Human Rights Watch (a group I regularly support financially) was engaging in the kind of biased, poorly-investigated storytelling that the nuts at Jihad Watch clearly indulge in, I'd have dropped 'em off the contributions list a long time ago.
Far from having any likeness to HRW or Amnesty International, Jihad Watch is no better than messed-up sites like Jew Watch, albeit a lot slicker, and with a much more "reasonable" veneer. And I'm sure Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter would never endorse such a site---at least not openly.
Those who wonder about Jihad Watch need only Google the folks who run it (which I just got finished doing). After that, read the comments that accompany the articles on Jihad Watch, and tell me how much that resembles honorable watchdogs like HRW, and how much like the forums on Stormfront.
OK, so lets do some analysis of what was posted by commenter. Let me state for the record, I don't know much of Hamas or IAP and for that matter, could care less for either of them.
commenter says:
Here's your proof:
All three founders of CAIR were members of the IAP (Hamas' propaganda arm in the US) before its founding in 1994. The IAP is found on a 1991 memo as part of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. that plans to destroy the U.S. The memo reads "The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers."
There are quite a few problems with your assumptions. I'll start with some logical flaws, then later on if I have time, to comments on those other points.
Fallacy: Poisoning the Well
Description of Poisoning the Well
This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:
1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.
This sort of "reasoning" is obviously fallacious. The person making such an attack is hoping that the unfavorable information will bias listeners against the person in question and hence that they will reject any claims he might make. However, merely presenting unfavorable information about a person (even if it is true) hardly counts as evidence against the claims he/she might make. This is especially clear when Poisoning the Well is looked at as a form of ad Homimem in which the attack is made prior to the person even making the claim or claims. The following example clearly shows that this sort of "reasoning" is quite poor.
Before Class:
Bill: "Boy, that professor is a real jerk. I think he is some sort of eurocentric fascist."
Jill: "Yeah."
During Class:
Prof. Jones: "...and so we see that there was never any 'Golden Age of Matriarchy' in 1895 in America."
After Class:
Bill: "See what I mean?"
Jill: "Yeah. There must have been a Golden Age of Matriarchy, since that jerk said there wasn't."
Now, on to the details:
1. I couldn't find a single reference to IAP on either the CIA or FBI websites. I search the term, in quotes: "Islamic Association of Palestine".
2. Simplistic as I can get, I know, but if I worked for pizza hut, then for dominos, are you going to say there is a problem with me working for papa johns? Are trade secrets going to be revealed?
3. What position did these 3 individuals have?
4. This memo calls for a "grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers."
I don't know about this memo, whether it's authentic or just came into being to serve objectives, but aside from a few isolated incidents from a fringe set of lunatics (ie, 911 and isolated shootings) I don't see this "grand jihad" scheme at all.
By the way, CAIR themselves responded to this allegation here:
http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf
Don't get me wrong, if there is any real evidence, wouldn't you think the authorities would have done away with these people over 14 years ago? FOURTEEN years they have been existing, if I am to put my trust in our security and this security doesn't have a clue what's going on for over 14 years, then we're in more trouble than I would care to mention.
In his book, 'An European Muslim, Tariq Ramadan, one of the influential intellectuals of the 21st century (as listed in times) states that the right of political organization is one of the founding principles of a liberal state that allows all citizens living within its borders to be treated equally and with respect as long as those organizations are not in violation of any 'societal culture' (Kymlicka, 1996) that state is established upon. CAIR with its 50 chapters and the hundreds of grass-roots organizations at community levels are proof that the liberal project is working well in America. Diversity is allowed to a point where social cohesion is not broken down, respecting the autonomous right of every citizen to vote, practice and enjoy life, liberty and freedom. The state enjoys the right to rule as long as the individuals are able to change the shared values or guiding principles. Although the state should keep its limits on infringements in private choices, but where it happens it is normally the exception. Liberal society also affirms that "no end" is absolute and infallible, including the social good that liberal philosophers (Rawls, Dworkin etc.)have held sacrosant.
Now my point to the islamophobe and anti-semitic commenter, Jewish Marksmen is, by providing a list of character assasinations of a political organization does not take away its rights to exist and represent the thousands of people who are cultural members of that group and its charter organizations. Infact that the group is free to revise its conceptions of good in itself frees it from becoming a totalitarian organization like some departments of the govt behaves. An organization, wether an NGO or state is good or bad to the degree of its ability to revise any notion of absolute good that is antithetical to the society or culture in question. You will have to proof that CAIR or any of its chapters are willfully engaged in anti-democratic, anti-social or anti-people acitivities, through subversion, demagogery or conspiracy as your plagiarized piece of hate-mail indicates.
shows over folks. the once proud religion and culture has deteriorated into a bunch of moronic thugs who murder their own. THE GOD hates them. they have been miserable for the last five hundred years and will stay that way until they join the human race. every country they are in they violate and destroy.
Stevens & Rachel,
CAIR Founder Omar Ahmad was caught on FBI wiretaps expressing how easy it was to "register organizations" here in America, and proved it by creating many CAIR Chapters across the country (including Canada) - apparently for the nefarious purpose of supporting Hamas goals.
"Registering an organization is easy. I can register 100 organizations in 100 cities in one day..."
He also said,
"I mean, we don't really have available people whom we could dedicate for the work we want to hide..."
CAIR Founder Ahmad also had a conversation about Hamas:
Omar Ahmad (A.K.A. "Omar Yehya") and Shukri Abu Baker discussed with others at the Philadelphia Meeting the need to hide their affiliation with Hamas by using the name "Samah" instead.
Shukri Abu Baker explains:
"Samah ... Samah is classified a terrorist (organization). By constitution, by law,
if I wanted to adopt it's work, they kick me out, they kick me out of this country..."
Rachel-
CAIR's associations have been documented by numerous sources, including US law enforcement, and Muslim-friendly Obama has not repealed the FBI's disassociation from CAIR, which pretty much speaks for itself.
On another topic, how is Jihad Watch any different from Human Rights Watch? Indeed, if you paid attention, you would notice that on occasion, both sites cover the same atrocities.
There are all sorts of blogs and web sites dedicated to documenting alleged human rights abuses, and some focus on specific geographic, political, and ethnic boundaries.
Jihad Watch does exactly what it purports to: document incidents of human rights abuses motivated by jihad, the Muslim concept of purifying the earth of unholy influence. This sort of reporting is bad...why?
Oh yes, I forgot. Acknowledging a link between terrorism and certain sects of Islam is a thought crime. Oh well, I guess I'm guilty as charged.
Rachel, I'm a big boy. I get it. Not all Muslims are terrorists. I know your ilk are deathly afraid that if a single instance of jihad is exposed, the ignorant rabble will round up 'dem moooslims and ship 'em back wer day come from. But some of us are a little smarter than that, and we do just fine without sticking our heads in the sand.
Several members of Congress had warned of CAIR's disturbing origins. One of the first consistent and fearless critics of CAIR has been Democrat Senator Charles Schumer who said: "We know [CAIR] has ties to terrorism�intimate links with Hamas." Senator Schumer made these statements during a September 2003 Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security where the evidence against CAIR was laid out in detail. CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad was invited to testify at this gathering, but chose to avoid the meeting and instead submitted a crude and absurd written statement listing CAIR's "accomplishments" and childishly attacking critics.
Senator Schumer continues to give unapologetic support in efforts to investigate and exclude CAIR from involvement in government programs, including "training" the FBI. In February of 2009, Senator Schumer joined Senators Kyl and Coburn in contacting the FBI to state their support for the FBI severing ties to CAIR saying "We certainly support that action..."
Democrat Senator Barbara Boxer has also called out CAIR. She recalled an award to CAIR's Basim Elkarra when she researched and learned of his involvement with CAIR and CAIR's ties to Hamas. In addition to recalling the award, Senator Boxer also told CAIR to remove her statement endorsing CAIR from their web site. CAIR blasted Senator Boxer saying her actions were rooted in "Islamophobia." Senator Boxer made clear her feelings about CAIR when she said: "To praise [CAIR] because they haven't been indicted is like somebody saying, 'I'm not a crook'"
You know, the only Googled "proof" I can find for CAIR'S nefarious agenda comes from laughable-but-still-creepy sources who clearly have their own agenda against Islam itself. Guilt-by-association is a time-honored but slimy technique, and deeply problematic, as we finally discovered after McCarthy.
Just as an aside: I think the mouth-foaming bigots at Jihad Watch need to find productive jobs. After all, if a certain dictator had actually managed to support himself as a painter, the human race would have been much better off.
Here's your proof:
All three founders of CAIR were members of the IAP (Hamas' propaganda arm in the US) before its founding in 1994. The IAP is found on a 1991 memo as part of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. that plans to destroy the U.S. The memo reads "The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers."
In 1993 the FBI wiretapped Omar Ahmad, Ghassan Elashi (future CAIR TX founder) and Nihad Awad speaking about deceiving Americans to make the Hamas point of view the accepted point of view, describing a "new organization" which is now very similar to CAIR. They specifically discuss a media campaign to promote the Hamas viewpoint.
Nabil Sadoun (recently deported), Ghassan Elashi (convicted of funneling money to Hamas through zakat committees), Omar Ahmad (now resigned, but a CAIR Founder) are all listed on telephone list for the Palestine Committee in the U.S...
The list continues...each time these facts are brought up CAIR talks about "Islamophobia." They even lie about the facts, for example Dawud Walid said that at the 1993 Philly meeting that "Hamas" was never mentioned...well that's because one participant asked the attendees to please refer to the organization as "Sister Samah" so as not to say the name openly. Context clues from the transcripts can be used to verify that they were indeed personifying Hamas and talking about its relationship witht the U.S. public.
So maybe Mr. Francis should do some research of his own, rather than simply taking the word of a former spokesman for the group at question.
Jewish Marksman says: The evidence against CAIR, as a national organization, is overwhelming.
Evidence of what? Care to elaborate?
Stevens-
Stop with the straw men. I have conceded that not only do I have no proof any local members are guilty of any crimes, but further that I have no suspicions.
My objection is purely political. In the same way I oppose membership and association with certain neo-Nazi groups that exist here in South Florida, even though membership in such groups is not a crime, and probably few of the members have actually committed hate crimes.
I am truly left wondering if you simply lack the intellectual capability to grasp the concept that by simply maintaining a voluntary membership in a nefarious organization, one provides a form of tacit approval. The evidence against CAIR, as a national organization, is overwhelming. Even if a criminal case cannot be proven (which is debatable), the leadership does not consist of people that one would expect any decent Americans to want to be associated with. I submit that every member of the local CAIR chapter could accomplish their altruistic purposes through other means, without lending legitimacy to an organization our shores would be better off without.
Nobody is asking local Muslims to abandon the goal of promoting harmony between the areas' various religious groups. They are being asked to abandon CAIR, and for good reason. It may be a symbolic gesture, but flying a different flag, so to speak, would go a long way.
"The protesters on the sidewalk outside were a mild annoyance."
Yep! Joe Coughman's group reminds me of hemorrhoids.
Perianal hematoma are sometimes misdiagnosed and mislabeled as hemorrhoids, when in fact they have different causes and treatments.
In other words Joe Coughman's (hemorrhoid cheerleaders) are sometimes misdiagnosed and mislabeled as "Americans" Against Hate, when in fact they have different agendas (such as promoting hate against Muslims) and motives (such as spreading lies and false propaganda against any Muslim group that can make a positive influence on their communities).
I have one question for Joe Coughman, what does his group do for our community?
Sincerely,
Friend of Justice
that video makes me lol
@Rainbow warrior
Quit being so intellectually dishonest - this is the twenty-first century. That means the burden of proof is on YOU.
If you make a claim about the universe, it is up to you to prove it is true, not the other way around. It is not up to us, the rest of the world, to prove your claims false - that is not scientific thinking, that is anti-scientific thinking.
Because I am a man of my times, and believe in correcting ignorance, what I am doing here is out of courtesy to YOU, just as if I were to argue publicly that there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster orbiting Venus preparing to blow up Planet Earth, one of you would probably, out of simple human decency attempt to correct me and point me towards the truth.
This is my way of doing that.
I asked you to prove your allegations. Don't attempt to deflect the question with ramblings about the KKK, German beer, or other such meanderings.
It's simple...
Just show me the proof that the 50 or so local members of CAIR are evil-doers.
Stevens-
Suppose one has a passionate interest in the history and culture of the American South. Is it OK to be a member of the KKK, so long as one's "local chapter" is not actually involved in or promoting lynchings?
Or would you suggest to that person: instead of the KKK, they might consider other local historical societies, groups and clubs?
Hmmm?
Suppose a German-American has a passionate interest in his culture and heritage...join a local German-American club, take some German classes at the local community college? Well, so long as that person doesn't actually beat up a Jew, what's the harm if they join a local skin head group? Can I prove the local skin head group has ever broken any laws? No? Then its OK, right?
Hmm?
PS Just because world renowned and Pulizer Prize winning investigative journalist Thomas Francis writes it in the Pulizer Prize winning New Times doesn't necessarily make it so.
Do your research on CAIR and get back to me with all your findings on how it's just rainbows, lollipops and puppies behind the scenes.
@Jewish Marksman says:
Clearly, you are fully convinced that this region's CAIR chapter is benign.
Do you have irrefutable proof to indicate otherwise?
PS Just because you believe it's true doesn't necessarily make it so.
Francis your intellectual immaturity never ceases to amaze me.
Clearly, you are fully convinced that this region's CAIR chapter is benign. Assuming that were true, why would that justify the individual choices made by local members to continue being associated with a nefarious organization? Doesn't their continued membership make a statement in and of itself?
Take your latest man-crush Muhammed Malik. If Mr. Malik is truly a man of integrity, why doesn't he sever his ties with CAIR and join some other organization for the purpose of advancing Muslim interests, one that has never been connected with terror? Good people resign or otherwise part ways from bad organizations all the time, on principle.
When will Francis put on his big girl panties and do some REAL reporting on CAIR?