What follows is the full transcript of last night's gubernatorial debate between Charlie Crist, Jim Davis, and Max Linn. It's, um, really long.
CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST: Florida, the state that carried George W. Bush into the White House and elected Jeb Bush twice for governor. A state on the move, where the economy, education, immigration and homeland security are top concerns. Whoever wants to the next president, whether its frontrunners John McCain and Hillary Clinton or possible contenders like Rudy Giuliani and Barack Obama, that person will try to win Florida. But before Florida voters play their key role in picking our next president, just eight days from now, they'll pick a new governor. And that man will lead the state that may well pick the next president. Will it be Republican attorney general Charlie Crist or Democratic Congressman Jim Davis? Their final meeting is tonight, and the stakes are great. The Florida gubernatorial debate happens right now on MSNBC.
Welcome to the second and final gubernatorial debate down here in Florida. We're in Tampa. The candidates are, from the left, attorney general Charlie Crist, U.S. Congressman Jim Davis, and the third party candidate Max Linn. Thank you all for joining us tonight. Because of a toss of the coin, Mr. Davis, you're first. There are 24,000 Floridians serving right now in Iraq. As of today, according to the Pentagon, 2,831 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq, including 120 troops from Florida. Has this war been worth it? Are we safer now because of the decision to invade and occupy Iraq?
DAVIS: We are not, Chris, because of the way the president is handling this. As a member of Congress, I have fought to pressure the Republican leadership in Congress and George Bush to do something other than stay the course. To pressure the Iraqi government, to take responsibility for our own -- their own security, to pressure the president to work with our allies.Here in Tampa, we have MacDill Air Force Base, where both the Iraqi and Afghanistan operation are being run. And I've had to fight Secretary Rumsfeld to make sure that our troops have the body armor and support they need. Fighters had more guard and reserve in Iraq than almost any state in the country.And as governor, I will continue to speak out, to make sure that not only that we get the job done in Iraq, we get back to fighting terrorism with strong national security. Strong port security. Something I've worked on with Governor Jeb Bush here. A better job of homeland security. But the war in Iraq is not succeeding because the president wants to stay the course and we need a change.
MATTHEWS: One follow-up question, just to clarify that you say we were wrong to go to Iraq.
DAVIS: We were, Chris. And as a member of Congress, I voted to give the president the authority to proceed, based on the intelligence I had. That intelligence was faulty. So I have fought since then to try to get the president to get the job done. But he is not responding. He is simply saying stay the course. That's not the best policy for our country right now.
MATTHEWS: Mr. Crist, the same question to you with the same numbers of course, 120 people from Florida have been killed in that war over there, 2,800 altogether. And you have 24,000 fellow Floridians fighting over there. Was the war worth it? Are we safer today because of the decision to invade?CRIST: I believe THAT we are safer because of the decision to invade. And you know, great people have said before that war is hell. And truly it is. And it is not easy and freedom certainly is not free. My sympathies go out to the parents of those who have lost their lives in this conflict. It's difficult, the most difficult thing I think that I think any president would have to make a decision about.But let's understand where we are and what's really happening. We were attacked on September 11th, 2001. We were attacked in New York City. We were attacked in Washington D.C. We were attacked in Pennsylvania. I think what we've decided to do is to fight to protect Americans, to fight to make sure that the war is not here and that it is somewhere else.The president made a difficult decision, but he made the right decision. Not an easy one, a tough one. Not always popular, but not all decisions are going to be popular. What he decided to do was take the fight to them, to make sure that we're not having this fight here on our soil. We had never been attacked on our soil before but as you all know, and as I know, it happened in New York, it happened at the Pentagon, and it happened in Pennsylvania.
MATTHEWS: Time up, thank you. Let me ask the same question of Mr. Linn. You know the question, sir.
MAX LINN, FLORIDA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, I do. I was against the war before it started. I was against the war when it started. And I'm still against the war and now we have all the facts and the evidence to show that the American people have been