Okay, so I told you I was going to be on Steve Kane Show this morning and you still managed to miss it. I forgive you. Instead of giving a play-by-play, the transcript is as follows. Do with it what you will. I have nothing to hide. On the show, there was Steve Kane, and Frank Turek, and myself. The main set-up you need is to know that they both wanted to convince me that the Koran is an evil instrument of hatred and Muslims are bent on world-domination no matter what we good Christian and Jewish folk try to do.
Kane, who I must say was solid and professional throughout the show, began by reading some of the post I wrote below about Rev. O'Neal Dozier, which he obviously felt was crap. He started the show by listing Muslim wars and atrocities -- Darfur, Rwanda, Somalia, Chechnya, terrorist acts, etc. It was a long list. The inference was simple: Muslims were terrible killers, flat and simple. He brought up Altaf Ali, the head of the Council of American-Islamic Relations, which he called a "front for terrorists" and Ali's statement during a recent Laura Ingraham Show that the Muslim terrorists a small group of "bad apples." Then Kane tried to quantify just how many Muslims really are in on the killing. Let's pick up Kane now. Enjoy:
KANE: I think it's a healthy percentage ...
PULP: You say a healthy percentage? What is that?
KANE: You know something, I'm going to be very honest with you, I don't think I'm qualified to name that number, but I would like Frank to put in his two cents here.
FRANK: Steve and Bob, I don't think anyone knows what that number is. But I think we can all agree it has a significant influence on the entire group of people we would call Muslims. Because how many Muslims do you see who come out publicly and really condemn those attacks? Very few. Why? Because they know if they do, they're the next target ...
PULP: The majority of Muslims are living in fear of the minority? Is that what you're saying?
FRANK: I would say there's prima facie evidence that that's the case, Bob. How many Muslims after 9-11 did you hear come out [against the attacks].
PULP: I went out and talked to a lot of imams and local Muslim leaders and I heard every one of them at least say that they wished it wouldn't have happened. Most of them said that it was an abomination. A lot of Muslim leaders in this area said that it wasn't what Islam stands for.
KANE: When 9/11 first happened ... I brought in a whole series of Muslim leaders and, yes, every one of them said 9/11 wasn't a good thing. They didn't approve of it. Which was what I would call a mild condemnation. But as I probed further, as I said, 'Well do you think that our relationship with Israel had anything to do with what happened? Do you think we brought this on ourselves?' Every single one of them got that fire in their eyes and started saying how this was a result of our foreign policy and putting bases in Saudi Arabia.
PULP: Of course it was. Are you denying that's a fact?
KANE: Yes.
PULP: How can you say that? Are you like George W. Bush and believe these people suddenly woke up evil one morning?
FRANK: Bob, this has been going on since 632. This is not a new phenonemon ... We need to create a distinction between what the Koran says and what many Muslims believe. I just came back from Iran. I was on the expedition that went to look at that object that could be Noah's Ark. I found the people in Iran to be wonderful people. They were very warm, very friendly, they liked Americans, however, that country is currently being run by mullahs who believe in the literal interpretation of the verses that Steve mentioned at the top of the show, so we obviously had to be careful over there.
KANE: I think we're getting somewhere here. I'd love to have a meeting of the minds, as far-fetched as that sounds. I think that answers your initial question. It is not the majority of Muslims, but it is a sizable minority that has a reign of terror over the rest of Muslims. Which is why, while the people of Iran are decent people, Iran as a country is a major threat to the survival of the world.
PULP: I generally agree with that. I do. I'm certainly not going to stand here and get behind the mullahs in Iran. I am just as repulsed by the idea of an Islamic state as anyone because it's a backwards society. But do these mullahs actually want to come out and cut off people's heads? I don't know. Are they really that into world domination? I think they want to be left alone to run their little societies the way they want to.
KANE: You don't believe what basically the president of Iran says now that this is all about basically destroying the United States and basically taking over the world?
PULP: People say "Death to America" because America is in their region. I don't have to bring up all the evidence and all the facts. Kissinger said oil is too important for it to be owned by Arabs and that's been the basis of our foreign policy for years.
FRANK: How come oil is three dollars a barrel over here. Or I should say three dollars a gallon, gas is three dollars a gallon.
PULP: You're saying our interest in the Middle East isn't about oil?
FRANK: Of course that's part of it.
PULP: You know it's about oil.
FRANK: We didn't go over there and confiscate their oil fields which we could have if we wanted to.
PULP: We can't just confiscate their oil fields. We found out what happens when we went to Iraq ...
KANE: We have to go to a break ... Frank asked you a great question, Bob ... if we went over there for oil why is oil is so expensive now?
PULP: Because of the conflict right now. I think it's shot up because of what's happening in Lebanon.
FRANK: Lebanon? That just happened two weeks ago.
[Kane laughs]
PULP: Yes, and it's spiked in the past two weeks. Have you not noticed?
FRANK: Why did it go from a buck-fifty to three dollars a gallon in a year and a half?
PULP: Maybe that had something to do with Iraq. That's part of the reason.
FRANK: If we went over there for oil, then gas should be 25 cents a gallon over here.
PULP: We're incompetent. We have screwed up everything we have tried to do.
[Kane took us off the to the first break. When we came back, the host quoted passages out of the Koran about killing Jews and Christian and Jihad and such]
PULP: That was written during a time of war. I want to say that you're picking out little sentences in a big book.
KANE: Little sentences in a big book? Bob, let me try to appeal to you rationally here. ... Certainly you can understand that any member of Islam who reads this book and takes it seriously is going to be a threat?
PULP: I suppose if somebody is reading just these passages and putting a lot of emphasis on just these passages, I think they could be a threat. But again, going to the geopolitical -- you know, the reality in the world right now -- there's reasons for why the terrorist attacks are occurring.
FRANK: Were the same reasons in place in 632?
PULP: You're trying to create a pattern here that this is all the Muslims' fault ...
KANE: Let me jump in on Bob's side on this Frank. Give me a second here. Bob and people who support Bob's position, people who talk about the Crusades and the Inquisition, let's limit it to the last 200 years Frank. Within that framework, how would you address Bob's question?
FRANK: Well I would go back to Thomas Jefferson who in his presidency basically declared war on the Tripoli pirates who were Muslims. Because they were invading our ships in the Mediterranean. And he went over there without the U.N. by the way to set the record straight.
PULP: They were pirates. Of course they were going to go after them.
FRANK: They were Muslim pirates.
PULP: Muslims? Were there Christian pirates? What religion was Blackbeard?
FRANK: Bob, you need to read a history book my friend.
PULP: You just said we're at war with Muslims and you bring up a group of pirates. That's pathetic.
FRANK: They were called the Barbary pirates, they were out of Tripoli. They were Muslims.
PULP: You think all pirates that attacked our ships were Muslims?
KANE: Let's go beyond the Barbary pirates.
PULP: Please do.
FRANK: Bob ... let's go back to the Olympics in 1972. Who caused that Bob?
PULP: It was