Young Nudists at Sunsport Gardens Naturist Resort Talk About Intimacy, Hairy Pits, and Freedom (NSFW)

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Liz Tracy
Continued from Part 1:
"Young Nudists at Sunsport Gardens Naturist Resort Reveal More Than Bare Asses"

A 29-year old ginger with a low ponytail, Chris, came in from Washington State, where he and his wife help organize Vita Nuda, another naturist organization. Annette, as it turns out, is a 21-year old student from Westin who grew up getting naked with the family. She was at this Spring Bash with her brother and twin sister, their seventh bash. "It's not a big deal in our family," she said matter-of-factly, "I'd say we're very liberal... I guess." And we all laughed.

Chris clarified that whole point in coming here isn't about getting undressed in front of people, but rather it allows you to do the things you can't do at home naked, "It's not so much about being in public, it's about being able to do other things." They can play volleyball (again...), swim, and watch a band. We then discussed the uselessness of bathing suits.

He refused to give in and admit that there are things that can be more awkward when you're naked. I mean, I can think of like a million things that could get weirder when not guarding your balls with fabric. Jumping rope? Riding bike? Standing in a packed room?

Aaron, an insightful South Carolinian, joined our conversation. In his Southern drawl, he added that, honestly, some people don't like to do yoga naked. And you can imagine why.

"Being naked is a lifestyle, it's not for everybody," Annette said, "It gets you in touch with yourself."

Aaron, who'd been a naturist for three years, says he got into it for, he guesses, "deeper reasons." Growing up with body issues, after losing a lot of weight, "my skin didn't shrink up tight," he explained. Aaron was always wearing a T-shirt to the beach, now he's just naked. "For me, now, I'd rather be nude than just topless, I can feel that belt going around me, and I'm just more self-conscious. That's maybe just me."

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Liz Tracy
We got on the steamy topic of nudity and sex. Usually, if you're naked, you're getting down, taking a shower, or something. How does IT become a thing when, you're already naked? Aaron pointed out: "That's coming from the viewpoint that nudity is an intimate thing." See, getting to the heart of the matter, this guy! "This setting isn't necessarily intimate." Except for the hot tub, he had a really valid point.

"Genuine intimacy is an actual connection with another person, it's not nudity," Chris noted. "This is actually meeting the other individual. Having everybody naked, in my opinion, at least, you meet the other person faster, because there's less of a barrier. Well, clearly there's less of a barrier." We all laughed again. "There's a few layers less!" Annette joked.

Sandy and I had spoken on the topic earlier. Being naked isn't inherently sexual, like getting a bath at the hospital, for instance. But how do people deal with the tension of being naked and out and frolicking around with their peers? She said men will typically stay in the pool if they get excited, and the Sunsport staff will ask someone to cover up and exit the area if they're inappropriate. I commented on how embarrassing that must be! She laughed, "I know it sounds really weird! But it's necessary, we're a family resort. We understand that these are natural things that happen." But she admitted there's an elusiveness in matters of sexual intimacy. "I can see my husband naked now, and it does nothing for me, but in an hour, it could. But why? Who knows what that reason could be. Part of that is what's going on inside. Your emotion that you have toward it."

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Liz Tracy
Mid-conversation, Morley showed up to add his two cents with Florida native, Sunny -- who in an email said she'd be the one out there with the green pubes -- her partner Tommy, and Robbe. Sunny's 10 month old (who she calls the "community baby") is still breastfeeding. She's topless.

Sunny, whose fun, brightly colored sunglasses hung from her many necklaces said on the topic of meeting people without clothes, "There's no way to judge them, because there's nothing to judge them on." I pointed out her glasses are a form of expression. I asked if there's some sort of nudist subculture fashion, to express themselves with ornaments. Sunny said no, but there are styles of sarongs, body paint, tattoos. Robbe suggested hairy armpits. Sunny lifted her arms, and we all giggled.


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nudistsingle.org

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jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

We've drifted way off topic, so I won't respond to any of the comments directed at me. I'll just add a few thoughts, then leave this thread.

 1. It appears that I was correct in saying that Liz Tracy did no research on nudism in general and Sunsport in particular before writing her articles. 2. People are put on sex offender lists (and on no-fly lists) for no reason at all or for 'reasons' that most of us would regard as unjust: poorly written laws, overly broad laws, misuse of prosecutorial discretion, hysterical juries, bigoted judges, bureaucratic error, etc.  As a club owner/manager (or neighbor), I'd want to know WHY a person was listed and the circumstances of the case, and then form my own judgment. I don't know if Morely did that, but if that's the approach he took he deserves our applause. 3. Creating, distributing, or viewing a photo does not, in itself, harm the subject of the photo. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but pictures will never hurt me." OK, OK, we Americans just love to vilify victims of sexual violence while excusing or even lionizing the perpetrators thereof. A similar phenomena occurs with nude photos. Vicious gossip can and often does ruin the life of someone who isn't to blame for anything. I think we need a National Vicious Gossipers List. Jail terms for them too. Still, creating, distributing, or viewing a photo does not, in itself, harm the subject of the photo. If there's damage, it's done by vicious gossips. 4. 'Porn' and especially 'child porn' are highly inflammatory terms that can mean anything. That makes them very popular with the vicious gossips. When someone screeches 'child porn' I say, "Show it to me." I want to see what the material actually shows. It usually turns out that the screecher hasn't even seen the material in question or is screeching about nothing at all or about nothing much. 5. It's unfortunately true that some nudists are screechers. Some diehard nudists too. 6. Parents are responsible for supervising their children. We should not blame owners/managers for the failures of parents. 7. I am aware of no evidence that children are harmed by observing adult sexual activity. Please note that I said "evidence." Parents who keep their kids ignorant, so that their kids will believe the ridiculously false speculations they get from other ignorant kids, are exercising their constitutional right to be parentally irresponsible. A lot of parents are. 8. I'm not aware of any law that prohibits kids from observing adult sexual activity. 9. If someone doesn't like the culture at a particular place, they shouldn't go there. 10. If someone doesn't like what they think is going on at a place, they shouldn't live there. Certainly not for five years. Not even for three and one-half years. 11. So-called "organized nudism/naturism" represents somewhere around 2% of all nudists/naturists. Maybe 3%. At least half of that 2% or 3% would not pay dues to AANR if they weren't coerced into doing so. Even with coerced AANR membership, the combined membership of the two 'major' organizations is the same now as it was 30 years ago. AANR's function is pretty much limited to persuading senior citizens to visit exotic islands and go on cruises. Organized nudism has been and continues to be a massive failure except, perhaps, as a shill for travel agencies who respond with the advertising dollars that keep the two sinking ships more or less afloat.. 12. Sunsport Gardens has been a full fledged member of AANR for as long as I can remember. As of five minutes ago it was still listed on the AANR web site. Morely was one of the founders of NAC, and has been on the NAC board until fairly recently. 13. There is no such thing as "standard naturist policy" and there shouldn't be. The 2% (really the 1%) have neither the right nor the power to set policy for anyone but themselves. And since they seldom enforce their policies on their own member clubs, their policies aren't worth the vague, ambiguous prose they're written in. 14. Every nudist/naturist has the inherent right to define "family nudism" for him/herself, and we all do so. People with sexual hang-ups have no more right to define the term for me than I do for them. No one speaks for nudism. Accept that. Admit it. Live with it. 15. The real policy of organized nudism has almost always been to kiss the posteriors of American prudery. "To err on the side of caution" -- in the sense that nudists/naturists use the phrase -- really means, "I'm unwilling to stand up for my rights. I won't take personal risks. I'm selfish. I'm chicken." That policy has succeeded only in stopping the growth of organized nudism. 16. I miss Lee Baxandall. 17. I don't like Morely XXXXX. I regard him as a dictatorial, self-important, whiny windbag. My opinion in no way affects his right to run his club as he sees fit. He provides an alternative that's needed in nudism. That's it. That's all. At least that's all for this forum. But I'll leave y'all with one final thought: FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY. LEAVE MINE TO ME. Have a nice nude day.  :-) ROTFLMCBO ! (At least my husband says it is.) 

jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

As long as such events are well publicized, I'm fine with a nudist resort holding 'alternative happenings' such as "Zensual Explorationz Tantra Retreat" that feature group snuggling and genital massage. I also wouldn't mind if a nudist resort allowed its grounds to be used for a NRA or Tea Party rally. I'm not interested in attending any of those, and group snuggling would be by far the least offensive, but as long as I know in advance what will be going on, I can just stay away.

jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

As far as I know, no children have been harmed at Sunsport. I definitely don't equate viewing child porn to actually harming children. If anything, the former makes the latter less likely.

jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

I'm going to surprise a few people, no doubt, by saying that I disagree to some extent with Christiana and NaturistVision. As I said, Sunsport Gardens and owner Morely are definitely out of the nudist/naturist mainstream and potential visitors should understand that. However, I find it difficult to blame club ownership or management when some resident or member, even one who is thoroughly trusted, is arrested for some activity that club management can't reasonably be expected to have known about. I note that there'd be no uproar if some Sunsport member were found to have been using the internet in the privacy of his home to embezzle money, threaten the President, or send out spam. Nudists are, after all, representative of the general population. We have some crooks and nuts too. But if it's about porn -- especially child porn -- everyone villifies the club and its owner. That's simply not fair.

Christiana
Christiana

There is a lot of misfortune here. It is unfortunate that a great organization like FYN has to have a questionable place like Sunsport Gardens as its home resort because there are just so few places to practice social nudity and many of those are not friendly to younger people.

It is unfortunate that this article came out right at the same time as the Department of Homeland Security raid and the arrest of Grey Vanaman, and also ex-Sunsport resident David MacMurray were announced.

But here's the issue. Anyone who has spent any time at Sunsport knows for a fact that there are things happening there that just aren't right. Perhaps no one understood the extent to which that is true, but the FYN leadership was certainly aware that there were serious problems. And yet they continue to meet at Sunsport, support Sunsport and promote Sunsport. Perhaps they were manipulated by Morley, as many seem to be. Perhaps having fun in the sun is more important than the safety of children. Perhaps the lure of a nearly-free venue is more important to young people than the security of a safe nudist environment.


I am a hardcore nudist. But I will not support a place that hurts children, no matter what. No one should be surprised by the recent arrest there. No one should be surprised if other arrests follow. Sunsport is not in any way representative of the nudist movement, and, in my opinion, and obviously in the opinion of law enforcement, poses a serious risk to the wellbeing of young people.

NaturistVision
NaturistVision

I agree. This camp is not representative of nudist organizations in general. I wonder if Liz Tracy will be covering "Zensual Explorationz Tantra Retreat" to be held at Sunsport Gardens on May 16th. This event will feature "Group Snuggling" and genital massage among other things. And, of course, the recent arrest of their photographer, Grey Vanaman.

jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

Here's a thought from one who has been to over 150 nudist places in a dozen countries: every nudist place is different, every owner or governing board sets different rules, and every such place develops a unique culture. Nevertheless, there is a definite similarity among them. Neither Sunsport Gardens nor owner Morely Schlauss are in that nudst/naturist mainstream. Moreover, a group of young people at a "Spring Bash" are not typical nudists. I'd advise readers of Liz Tracy's (highly flawed) articles to remember that she's describing an atypical group at an atypical nudist place run by a quite atypical owner.

jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

Liz Tracy has (obviously) done no research on nudism, she's unwilling to participate herself, she hasn't been to other nudist places, and yet she's highly judgmental about what she sees and hears. If Liz is ever to grow up to become a real reporter, she needs to learn to let her subjects speak for themselves, to ask the questions that bring out what they really mean, and to keep her own reactions out of her reporting. When Liz has been to at least a dozen nudist places and been nude at all of them, her opinions will be of interest. Until then, she reminds me of the tourist who goes to Italy and finds it weird-weird-weird that the people there all speak a strange langage they call 'Italian.' Liz, nudism is a different culture. It's not for you to judge without first immersing yourself in it. 

naturistspaceorg
naturistspaceorg

I love their smile , nudist is kind of healthy lifestyle

A_is_A
A_is_A

A lot of really interesting points to think about! I haven't been to the nude beach in a good long while, reading this piece makes me think it's time for a re-visit. 


Christiana
Christiana

@jenniferaaa This isn't about you, or about what you would like and what you would enjoy. It is about the welfare of children. Many children live full time at Sunsport. Exposing children to genital massage may not be appropriate. At a time when nudism is coming under fire from many directions we all need to err on the side of caution.

Christiana
Christiana

@jenniferaaa I agree with clothesfreechristian - children are always the victims of child porn. And, Grey was not arrested for viewing it, he was arrested for creating it and distributing it.

clothesfreechristian
clothesfreechristian

@jenniferaaa And the subjects of the child porn are NOT harmed in producing those images? It seems to me that there is no way that child pornography is 'victimless'.

NaturistVision
NaturistVision

@jenniferaaa I have to add that more and more evidence suggests that the highest level of management was aware that sex offenders were being admitted to the campground. The people admitted can be found on sex offender lists and archives. When brought to the attention of management the information was ignored, or in one case, the person who brought the information was reprimanded. I believe this created a market for the kind pornography that was found. David McMurray was arrested by "Operation Glass House" which found violent videos of children being raped. It is believed that Vanaman's arrest is related to that investigation. David was a resident of Sunsport when I lived there.

hardboy
hardboy

@NaturistVision I Googled Zenzual Explorationz, as you could've easily done, and found that it is a woman in NYC who holds these yoga and other sessions in her apartment. I attended one there a few years ago when I was in NYC. Nothing to write home about. They're actually rather sterile.

So she's holding a weekend at Sunsport? If you're an adult you make the decision to go or not. It's that simple. Children wouldn't be there in the first place, what are you thinking? Parents still watch their children regardless of their state of dress.

It seems that your time residing at Sunsport has left you bitter and with an axe to grind, you seem to have overrun the comments on this article with these non-sequiturs. I suggest you get your own house in order.

mickysummerresort
mickysummerresort

@jenniferaaa Why all this hating on the writer of the article? This is a good piece, very positive, unless you're talking about other articles she wrote.

hardboy
hardboy

@Christiana The fact that you think children will be anywhere in the area of this woman's yoga sessions disqualifies you from intelligent discourse. You are not living in reality.

johnnydo
johnnydo

@hardboy We've only been doing the Naked Yoga in NYC less than a year and they take place in a beautiful Belly Dance Studio, But you are right they are NOT about the act of sexual pleasure but they are about building a foundation of health and spiritual peace through guided exercise & dance, meditative live music and natural foods. The Tantra Workshop builds on those foundational principles with the intent to help couples build a stronger bond and create a more constructive and peaceful family life. This is not a workshop for people looking for a sexual thrill - there is No genital touching - but there will be discussion and multi media to explore various techniques for couples to share pleasure and in turn bond closer as Nature had intended when She created those systems of physical pleasure.

Maybe John and Christiana should come take the workshop so they would not feel so angry and be so vindictive to those they feel have not lived up to their standards and expectations. They seem to be operating on the infamous principle of the Vietnam War when America was "Destroying the Village to Save the Children".

And the woman running the Tantra Workshop IS a resident of Sunsport and has 5 children - all of them living together and running around Sunsport Naked, Happy and well adjusted.

And if you know any thing about kids especially the free thinking, free speaking, homeschooled kids at SunSport - you could not "get away" with any thing that exploits of abuses them for very long without having some angry adults on your case real fast…

NaturistVision
NaturistVision

@hardboy I was a resident for over three years. During that time Sunsport made no effort to prevent children from entering areas where workshops were being held. This may have changed. I still believe this type of workshop has no place at a family nudist resort. Take it to Caliente!

Chris
Chris

@jenniferaaa@mickysummerresort
Really and truly this article is an embarrassment for the writer. Here is some truth about the article. I'm Chris, the guy with the low pony tail. I'm 27 (not 29) and live in Washington so yes I am REALLY pale by nature and by...nature. It's Seattle. :) (but definitely not ginger) By all means though, start of by getting your facts straight. If you are going to claim that we are full of baloney and that "I was perceiving their personality through piercings, glasses, tattoos, haircuts, what they held in their hands or didn't, all of those things, just as much as if I were looking at people who are clothed." You should really not screw up the basic details from the very start. You had a recorder and there is a picture of me right up there, you could at least PRETEND to do your job well. Or just cheat. Maybe listen to the recording and look at the picture. Whatever. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this.

"We got on the steamy topic of nudity and sex." Yea right. The writer did her best to keep it on that subject as much as she could. She kept trying to get us interviewees to slip up and say something titillating and provocative and was clearly disappointing that we were not as interesting as she wanted us to be. I didn't refuse to admit anything. I'm just not five years old and wanted to talk about other things besides how awkward and weird everything was all the time because SEX OMG BOOBS. What were the things that she listed that "should have been" weird? Jumping rope? Riding bike? Standing in a packed room? We just got finished with naked yoga and had a concert the night before in the pavilion. Sorry lady. Not everyone is as embarrassed by butts and boobs as you would clearly like us to be, and clearly are yourself. There was a water slide, hula hoops, dancing, a giant game of tag, and a ton of other things all weekend. None of them awkward. That doesn't mean that we are lying and you are so smart that you figured it out. It just means that you're trying to make it sound more interesting than it really is.

My favorite part though, was towards the end of her interview when she clearly lost all semblance of attempting to maintain professionalism and just started asking questions like "So tell me a famous person that has been nude here." "What's the biggest drama that has happened at this event."

My advice to the newspaper? If you want to send another reporter to cover the bash, don't send someone that clearly hasn't moved past writing for her high school newspapers gossip column.

jenniferaaa
jenniferaaa

@mickysummerresort

@jenniferaaa

No hate at all, just pointing out that Liz is doing a not-so-good job on the topic of nudity. Liz sees it all through textile eyes, believes that her textile way is the right way, and acts astounded by (or sneers at) cultural differences. Here's one example out of around ten I could offer. It's from her third paragraph.   Liz writes, "He refused to give in and admit that there are things that can be more awkward when you're naked. I mean, I can think of like a million things that could get weirder when not guarding your balls with fabric. Jumping rope? Riding bike? Standing in a packed room?"   According to Liz, the guy is WRONG, but refuses to admit it. Why? Because our Liz, ruler of the universe, queen of everyone and everything, can think of things that Queen Liz in her infinite perfection thinks would be awkward for herself and weirder than weird for herself! So, if Queen Liz thinks something is weird, then that something is weird for everyone just because Queen Liz thinks it would be weird for her.   Ms. Tracy's arrogance is simply beyond belief.   While I'm at it, here's another example. If some gal stepped away from a conversation to blow her nose, I strongly doubt that Liz Tracy would even notice, much less write about it. But if a similar drip comes from a breast, Liz not only mentions it but highlights it in a standalone ten-word paragraph. Liz, what's the big deal? And, what's the difference?   So, no hate at all towards Liz, just mild contempt for one who comes across as utterly conventional, who is absolutely convinced that her utter conventionality is RIGHT, and that anything else is to be lampooned as WEIRD.

hardboy
hardboy

@christiana2 Won't SOMEBODY think of the children??!?!?!?!?!!?!?! The CHILDREN!!!

christiana2
christiana2

@hardboyActually, I lived at Sunsport for three and a half years. Unless things have changes dramatically, I have a reason to be concerned. When I was there, kids were allowed to run around unsupervised throughout the campus at all times. I have seen people having sex in the hottub just feet away from a children's event. This is not typical of family naturism, but it seems to be commonplace at Sunsport.

There is a pervasive attitude at Sunsport that it is OK for kids to witness adults in the act of love. I am not here to argue whether or not that is theoretically ok.  We know the law does not think it is ok, and Sunsport is likely still under surveillance. What happens at Sunsport in the next few months will determine its future. The arrests of Grey Vanaman and Dave MacMurray could create what one person called an "extinction level event" for family naturism. Why would naturists take this kind of risk at this time? Having a class in genital massage advertised at Sunsport Gardens just doesn't make sense, and suggests that Sunsport is continuing to create a highly sexualized environment inappropriate for family nudism. But, given your moniker, Hardboy, highly sexualized is obviously what you are looking for, yes?

tlyoung88
tlyoung88

@Chris @jenniferaaa @mickysummerresort  I see what you mean. I've been a nudist mostly in non-landed clubs. There are things I know nothing about when it comes to being raised nudist. I'd love to see a serious in-depth article about that.  As a nudist, I don't bat an eyelash when nudist kids tell me about their junior talent show or co-ed sleepovers, but I can't write about that because textiles will assume worst. But when you know the subject matter, and you know the people, you see how naturism has affected their lives. Love to talk some more about the nuances of growing up naturist some time.

Chris
Chris

@jenniferaaa@mickysummerresort
Really and truly this article is an embarrassment for the writer. Here is some truth about the article. I'm Chris, the guy with the low pony tail. I'm 27 (not 29) and live in Washington so yes I am REALLY pale by nature and by...nature. It's Seattle. :) (but definitely not ginger) By all means though, start of by getting your facts straight. If you are going to claim that we are full of baloney and that "I was perceiving their personality through piercings, glasses, tattoos, haircuts, what they held in their hands or didn't, all of those things, just as much as if I were looking at people who are clothed." You should really not screw up the basic details from the very start. You had a recorder and there is a picture of me right up there, you could at least PRETEND to do your job well. Or just cheat. Maybe listen to the recording and look at the picture. Whatever. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this.

"We got on the steamy topic of nudity and sex." Yea right. The writer did her best to keep it on that subject as much as she could. She kept trying to get us interviewees to slip up and say something titillating and provocative and was clearly disappointing that we were not as interesting as she wanted us to be. I didn't refuse to admit anything. I'm just not five years old and wanted to talk about other things besides how awkward and weird everything was all the time because SEX OMG BOOBS. What were the things that she listed that "should have been" weird? Jumping rope? Riding bike? Standing in a packed room? We just got finished with naked yoga and had a concert the night before in the pavilion. Sorry lady. Not everyone is as embarrassed by butts and boobs as you would clearly like us to be, and clearly are yourself. There was a water slide, hula hoops, dancing, a giant game of tag, and a ton of other things all weekend. None of them awkward. That doesn't mean that we are lying and you are so smart that you figured it out. It just means that you're trying to make it sound more interesting than it really is.

My favorite part though, was towards the end of her interview when she clearly lost all semblance of attempting to maintain professionalism and just started asking questions like "So tell me a famous person that has been nude here." "What's the biggest drama that has happened at this event."

My advice to the newspaper? If you want to send another reporter to cover the bash, don't send someone that clearly hasn't moved past writing for her high school newspapers gossip column.

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