Anthrax's Scott Ian: Take Away Illegal Downloaders' Internet Privileges

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Anthrax, the thrash-metal legends led by iconically bearded guitarist Scott Ian, has never fallen off. While other heavy-music peers with as much longevity have taken time to get weird or experimental, this act has always stuck to searing, soaring, anti-gravity riffs and melodies with a charging punk fury. Anthrax has always straddled the lines between heavy and hard and hard and fast and as such has always enjoyed a wider fan base than many of its original scene peers.

So the band's excellent tenth studio album, Worship Music, isn't a return to form but rather a continuation of it. The record features most of the band's "classic" mid-'80s lineup: Ian, of course, on guitar and principal songwriting duties, Frank Bello on bass, and Charlie Benante on drums, as well as the long-maned, elastic-voiced Joey Belladonna back on vocals. Guitarist Rob Caggiano, an integral member of the band in its '00s iteration and its album producer, rounds out the roster.

County Grind caught up with the always outspoken Ian in advance of the band's show tonight at Revolution with two other classic thrash staples, Testament and Death Angel. We chatted Worship Music, illegal downloading, and comics. Here's what he had to say.

County Grind: The last time you were in the area was when you played an outdoor amphitheater in Miami with Slayer and Megadeth. This time around, it's a club tour. Do you have any preference in the kinds of venues you play?

Scott Ian: Bigger venues are easier from a production standpoint, and generally you have more room on stage and things like that. But when it comes to playing, as soon as I get onstage and we start, I really don't know where I am anyways. It doesn't matter. I do the same thing no matter where we're playing. As soon as the music kicks in and we get going, I get into my own zone. As far as a preference goes, whatever makes it easiest on our crew to get their job done!

Obviously you recently became a father, so congratulations. Has that affected your choice of how long and when to tour or any other aspect of your working schedule with the band?

Thank you. Well, my wife and I, before we had the baby, pretty much tried to never go longer than two weeks without seeing each other, regardless of tour. She would come out when I was on tour, and then when she was on tour, I was lucky enough to play guitar in her band. So it's pretty much the same thing now. I just don't want to ever go two weeks without seeing them, and we're working it that way.

On to Worship Music, your latest album. It entered the charts pretty high, at number 12. It's your highest chart debut in 20 years. At a time when so many people are struggling to sell records, why do you think your band and this album in particular are doing so well right now?

Well first, you've got to put things in perspective. We did great above and beyond expectations for 2011, at least my own expectations. With the way things are now and people stealing music and not actually buying records, it's just the way it is. So the fact that we sold 30,000 the first week and entered at number 12 was awesome -- for 2011.

If you put that in 2001, we would have sold probably 250,000 the first week and been number 12. Or let's say 20 years ago, if you want to put things in perspective, in 1993 Sound of White Noise entered the charts at number seven, and it sold like 110,000 copies. So a lot of it has to do, of course, with what other records come out the same week as you and all that.

But to put it in perspective sales-wise, it just sucks that 30,000 is considered a huge success in 2011. It's a double-edged sword because on one hand, it's like, "Woo-hoo, we did great," but then it's also like, "Yeah, but how many other people stole the record and you should have sold 150,000 copies this first week?"

Do you think a lot of your fans in fact stole the record, or --

I don't think; I know they did. It's the way it works these days. People can get the records for free, whether they're an actual fan or just a casual person who just wants to check something out. It's not a case of going out and checking out music. Now you can steal it, because the internet makes that possible for people. People have this sense of entitlement now where they think music is free, and that's the way it is, whether or not they even realize they're stealing it.

Before the internet, the only way to steal music was to walk into a music store and physically walk out with something, and you were stealing, and you knew it. You knew, unless you're a fucking maniac, that there was a consequence. If you got caught, you were going to get in trouble.

On the internet, there is no consequence for stealing. Nobody gets in trouble for stealing music; nobody gets in trouble for stealing movies. Illegal downloading has no consequence. So until there is a consequence, it's going to happen more and more and more, and people are going to see less and less original and good content from the record industry and movie industry.

I've noticed you've gone back and forth on Twitter with some people making a devil's advocate argument that --

There is no argument. I'm not even going to get into that conversation. You're stealing! It's stealing -- that's what it is. It's not free for us to make these records. These records are on sale in many, many places where you can pay your money to buy the product that we are selling. Anything outside of that is stealing. There is no conversation to be had.

There's no, "Well, I just wanted to check it out, and then I liked it so I bought the record." I don't give a fuck. It's stealing. Everyone can say that, "I just wanted to check it out" or "There's no way for me to get music where I live." That's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit! I've been doing this for way too long. I sold records in the '80s and '90s before there was an internet, and no one seemed to have a problem going out and buying a shit ton of records back then. The whole record industry has collapsed because people are stealing. That's the end of the story.

Do you think that you would have to tour less or do things differently if people were buying more and stealing less? In other words, have you had to change your business model as a band to account for it?

No. We've always been a touring band, even in the '80s, from day one, that's what we do. If anything, that side of it -- because you still can't steal a ticket to come see us. That side of it is still there for us, because you can't replicate a live show. I don't care how many videos you watch on YouTube, it's not the same as being there. Thank God for that.

What do you think the consequence should be for illegal downloading?

You lose your internet. That's it, no more internet for you. Seriously! Like you drive drunk, you lose the privilege of driving. You download illegally, you lose the privilege of having the internet. The punishment fits the crime. Why these service providers don't stop the torrent sites and put a consequence on this, I have no idea. Everybody complains about the trillions of dollars being lost, but nobody does anything about it. Believe me, if I could do something about it, I would.

Some service providers are starting to send cease-and-desist letters, but it seems like they have to get subpoenaed by the RIAA first.

You know what, until the person sitting behind their laptop, downloading free music and movies and porn, until that person -- OK, picture this. Picture the guy just sitting at his laptop downloading all this free shit, and all of a sudden his connection goes off. He's off the internet, and he starts pushing buttons and checks his Wi-Fi and all that, and all of a sudden he's not connected anymore.

That's when it will stop, when people actually know that there will be a consequence for what they're doing. Throwing people in jail isn't the answer, and even fining them and all that, I don't think that's the answer either. Just stop their access, because these people live on the internet, and that's all they care about. So stop their internet access and they'll stop stealing.

To change tack a little bit, you said you were a touring band and had always been a touring band. You Tweeted last week that you were headed to Chicago and it would be the first time actually playing some of the songs from Worship Music. Is that generally how it has always worked for you guys?

When you record, you're not all together playing those songs. I mean, Charlie and I were, but Joey wasn't singing the songs at the same time we were playing them.

Right, but do you ever have a rehearsal together before you physically go into the studio? Or do you generally work things out in preproduction?

Well, Joey wasn't in the band when these songs were written, so there was no way for that physically to have happened, unless he had a time machine.

That was another one of my questions. These songs were written mostly before even that last tour that brought you to South Florida, right?

Yes.

OK, so at that point, before the tour, Joey wasn't in the band. When you all decided that he was back in the band, did he have any involvement in going through the songs and changing anything about them?

Yeah, we basically spent that whole tour last fall working on the material before he went back in and started singing the songs at the end of the year.

How much input did he actually get?

As much as he wanted.

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POPS
POPS

I think they should shut off the Internet altogether !to many people use it for immoral reasons. either to look at sinful material or tosteal music from these great bands that give so much to society. they deserve to make at least a few million from each show and then huge royalties from the sale of each albumlets face it ,, the people stealing the albums online will probably never become zealot fans of the Bands  they pilfer from and therefore will never spend the money to attend an overcrowded show with piss poor acoustics and poor performances from over-scheduled, overtired and fatigued drugged out so called artist. who think of their concert appearances as a Job they are expected to show up for and nothing more. YUP shut it all down then they will have to pay to be entertained by lazy greedy industrial entertainment corporations.

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

I wonder how many musicians have spoken out against the RIAA and their bullshit lawsuits. Fat Mike from NOFX. and Damien from Disturbed, just to name a couple. Musicians don't make any money from record sales, so why would they give a shit about "illegal" downloading. The more people that hear their music, the more people that attend their concerts and buy their merchandise.

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

I wonder how many times Scott Ian drove drunk.

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham

Infringement is NOT "stealing" - making a copy of ANYTHING is not stealing. You can't own an idea. When you go into a cd store and put a cd in our pocket, the store actually LOSES the disc. When someone uses their tools to make a copy, you lose nothing. Copyright is a temporary monopoly on the marketing of the chattel related to a unique expression of an idea.

Even the SCOTUS has come down that infringement is not theft. See Dowling V US - and that case was CLASSIC piracy: people pressing unauthorized LPs and charged with theft for selling them across state lines.

People sold a lot more buggies before the automobile came along. When there was only way to get to your music in front of large numbers of people, the gatekeepers could funnel that money and exposure as they saw fit - and bands like Anthrax could take in those kinds of sales because so very few others could be heard.

Now we have over 115,000 cd length titles released every year - compared 35,000 in 2004 and FAR less in the 80s, when the costs of production were insanely expensive.

Now for a summer's worth of full time work any kid who has an Abbey Road inside them can produce it in their bedroom - and they are.

Nobody OWES you a living Ian. File sharing is the radio airplay the 99% weren't getting. If your stuff is worth paying for, people will support it - unless of course they catch a glimpse of your attitude and decide other bands are worth more of their time.

Gwarrior
Gwarrior

"While other heavy-music peers with as much longevity have taken time to get weird or experimental, this act has always stuck to searing, soaring, anti-gravity riffs and melodies with a charging punk fury"

You obviously haven't heard Stomp 442...

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Were killing the industry, not the music.  Music will always be created and will always be original because it is a labor or love, not capitalism.  If your a musician and you expect to make money, better think long and hard about your career choice, because even before downloading, most musicians still didn't make enough to make a career out of it and ended up having to work a "real" job to support themselves.  Art, music, and movies have always been and will always be a fringe career choice, financially at least.  If you choose this career path, realize that there is no guarantee of a steady paycheck, not ever.  You have the freedom to pursue any career in our society, but society does not guarantee success.

Johnny_c_note
Johnny_c_note

coming from a multimillionaire. LOL. I am not saying anything about the piracy issue. I see the listener's point of view. There is just so much damn music out there, and in the digital age, there is a pressure, or even a need, to feel connected and exposed to every possible thing that exists, ESPECIALLY music. I see the artists'point of vire as well. They have made a career in music and want to get paid. But.....there was never any guarantee that they would get paid. They were lucky back in the day to have made the money they did, and if they are only doing it for a paycheck then they have lost sight of what matters. Being an artist myself, I do what I do out of a labor of love, mostly with no guarantee of getting a cent. I guarantee that I work as hard at my music as Scott does, as well as busting my ass at a job, and I don't run around expectecting to be compensated for it. If I play a show with good attendance, I make money. If nobody comes, I don't make anything. That's the way it goes. He seems to have a sense of entitlement. Just because you were lucky and made money in the past does not mean you are going to make it now. Maybe you should wake up and realize that the music industry is fuc*ed and get a stable career going so that you don't have to whine like this. If I or anyone else is expected to accept that same reality, that my love of writing/playing music won't pay the bills, so must you, my friend. You are not special, by any means. People are not going to stop copying music, not ever. There will always be a way to circumvent protection and if your computer can play the music, it can copy it somehow. This is a reality you MUST face. The 80's and 90's are OVER. Just as the average person has no guarantee of steady, stable employment anymore, making enough money to buy $10-$20 cd's and albums by bands they love, so does the formerly financially successful musician no longer have any guarantee to make money either. The downloading is as much a compulsive act as is th creation of the music itself, born out of a mutual love for art. Don't be such a dick. Some people would probably love to own more albums and CD's but simply cannot afford to support all of you fukin artists. It is the entertainment industry, and that is a luxury industry. You are not selling essential goods and services, although your ego would lead you to believe that you are. I guarantee that if the powers that be stopped all illegal downloading, your albums would sell scant more than they already do. Most people download out of curiosity only, and would never buy most of what they listen to if they were forced to.

assassinmonk
assassinmonk

Before the internet the only way to steal music was to copy it from someone else.  Sharing music on the internet is no different than tape trading.  Technology has made it easier and spread it farther.Remember, Iran has no record/CD stores.  The state controls their media.  And yet, there is Slayer graffiti in Iran.  Slayer has never performed in Iran.  Yet, they have fans there.  All thanks to illegal file-sharing (and maybe a little CD copying).

Mike McClurken
Mike McClurken

Oh poor Scott Ian i really feel for you man. Do you realize that he can't even afford his Gulfstream 4 and must now fly around in a Gulfstream 3. If you think thats bad consider the Gulfstream 3 does not even have a remote control for it's surround sound DVD system. How can you live day to day with such hardship Scott.

Gillyzoom
Gillyzoom

As a musician and a songwriter who receives small royalty checks once in a blue moon this is a very touchy subject.Whilst some people will say move with the times or be left behind, getting files for free appears to have become a standard birthright for most people who use the internet on a daily basis within say the last 10 -15 years.I agree with Scott Ian in that as soon as you hit the download button on your computer and you get your first song for free you have essentially deprived the person/s who created that music/film/art etc. of making any income from their trade in stock.Would you be able to call a plumber in the middle of the night and get him to perform an emergency repair and then tell him you have no intention of paying for his services.Because like the music you download for free you have just downloaded his repair in real time in your own home and you say that the job should be free.Finally think of the good old quote from the bible (no i am not a religious person but a spiritual one) TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE  and surely if you follow that way of thinking then absolutely no amount of justification can alter the fact that you would actually be stealing.This comment is not intended to incite people into rage its just one individuals view and opinion on this particular topic and like most people we all have opinions as well as bumholes.

                          later daze zoomer

Simon Jay Harper
Simon Jay Harper

This is good. Good stuff Ian. Maybe they are suspended for six months from the internet. It would help make music better too, as people would have to work harder to absorb music... in Liverpool when the Beatles were starting, they used to listen to a record at a store, and write down the lyrics to learn how to cover it.

Kev O
Kev O

I never realized how much of an idiot this guy is.

"You lose your internet. That's it, no more internet for you. Seriously! Like you drive drunk, you lose the privilege of driving. You download illegally, you lose the privilege of having the internet."

The fuck? Drunk driving can KILL people, that's why their driving privileges get taken way. Downloading a few crappy songs from a band that's not even relevant anymore doesn't hurt anyone. Almost all of those downloaders would not have bought the album in the first place. Maybe they would have 20 years ago, but that's because the only option they had back then (outside of mix tapes) was to give their money to the record industry who's entire business model was based on false scarcity of a product.

Thank goodness there's still musicians out there such as Radiohead who understand these things, and provide additional products to their fans instead of bitching over a crumbling industry and calling their fans "thieves".

Luciphage
Luciphage

Scott, or should I call you Lars, I've been burned so many times by buying the latest CD from one of my favorite bands.  Metallica's "Load," "ReLoad" and "St. Wanker," and Megadeth's "Risk" among them, oh and Overkill's "ReliXIV"...  and so many newer bands where they caught my attention with the ONE song that MTV played on HBB...  Even after your long "hiatus," when I found out "Worship Music" was out, (WHILE I was in Best Buy during the album's first week) I bought it.  I LOVE the album, (well, "the giant" kinda sucks, and what is all that "hymn" crap about...)  but there's gotta be some give and take here.

YOU need to understand that in the current economy, we can either A) spend money we don't have on music we largely find we don't like AFTER the purchase or B) download an entire album from a band and decide to spend our hard-earned cash on their album.  I remember the days, back in the 80's, when kids used to trade tapes, and just you remember this:  THIS IS HOW I LEARNED ABOUT ANTHRAX.  It's also how I learned about the other "big four."

BTW, Joey is awesome on the new album, but I would LOVE to hear John singing those songs too, so if you haven't burned THAT bridge yet...

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Please explain to me why record sales have gown down over the last 10 years but video game sales have exploded over the same period? Both are easily downloaded, copied and burned. I'll tell you why, because games have enough value attached to them that people don't mind handing over their dough. Disappointing albums have been invested by consumers often enough that were fed up, sick and tired.

Anon4417
Anon4417

   I'll be candid. I think most music artists should be paid for their work, that I enjoy. After all, I know that it is very hard to make music. But I do not support middleman record companies, who take unfair shares of profits. Instead, I would prefer to support artists directly. It's a win-win. I pay less for only the songs that I want, and the artists get a larger share of the profits.    The proliferation of the Internet allows this. Its a good thing. Sure, lot of people are pirating music because thats also easy. But don't get mad, and don't call them thieves. Consider it opening up to a new potential audience. If artists produce quality music and provide a way to get their music cheaply and easily, many fans will support the bands through digital sales and live shows.  Probably not as many sales as from records, but times change.       See, we've hit a culture shift. In the matter of a decade or so, (younger) people have seen music change from something to be profited from, to what it is; a cultural art-form that loves to be shared. Pulling the plug on someones Internet because they downloaded Anthrax's new album isn't going to stop them. They're going to do it again. It's human nature.   Thats not to say that people should blatantly download tons of music and not buy songs legitimately, but it happens. Just consider it more fans who might change their mind if they like you enough. And seriously, if you became an artist expecting to make tons of money, please stop now.        

   Embrace file sharing, or at least be neutral. If record companies don't like it, they should consider it payback for us paying $12+ for a cd with 2 good songs, when artists hardly make any money from sales, just because it was our only option (back in the 80s and 90s).   Music is something that loves to be shared.

P.S. I don't care about any of your opinions. Period.

spanky
spanky

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. Geez...

GayJesus
GayJesus

Piracy has been around since the invention of the tape recorder. Illegal downloading has certainly made it easier, but blaming the whole downfall of the music industry on it is not fair. Most of the music people are making now is disposable. A band like Anthrax gets album sales almost entirely from loyal fans making lifestyle accessory purchases in order to pay upkeep for what they feel is their identity. When was the last time they came out with some truly unifying piece of music that most people think is great? Scott Ian is lucky as fuck that he can have a career in music for as long as he has. Anthrax is WAY more of an iconic band than a truly great contributor to the legacy of American music and has probably made more money off that dude's beard than they have their music. He's absolutely right that stealing is wrong, but lashing out at the people who've kept his legend aloft (scoring his beard countless gigs in rock documentaries and VH1 specials) is not helping.

Yancy Sabenicio
Yancy Sabenicio

You people are really hard on Scotty. He comes from the old music business model of artist->product->label->listener that's been around since the first recorded album was pressed (I don't know when that was, but it was a long time ago) and these agencies has since then been the cartel of their art.

The internet has changed that model permanently to artist->listener, resulting in many lost artists trying to figure it out. And many labels closing and clamoring for a buck.

Realize, as soon as you hit record on your computer - its free. Scotty has to let go of his music, GIVE it to the people. If he thinks his music is that good, people will come to his shows and pay premium, they will pay extra for his really cool merchandise and businesses that are relevant to his art will support him. How? Remember back in the day of the street flyer? Well today that flyer is your MP3, so give it away to as many people as possible.

There is no relevant physical medium for recorded music anymore because the end result is that it gets played out of my iPod. And if you think your going to get rich off iTunes for a buck a song (maybe not rich, but ok..), or Spotify where for $10 bucks where I can take Antharax's entire discography, and Led Zeppelin's, and all of Motown on my iPod all LEGALLY, or if I chose to put little effort I can find many places giving away all his music for free download.

So does this mean music has no monetary value? Monetary in itself, no. Which makes it even more important because now that its free, the music becomes the person's own personal currency of who they identify with and share with other people. If you have any business sense, this can actually be a hell of a lot more lucrative. Except now, Scotty has to remain relevant today and be accountable for his ego - he better be awesome.

Welcome to a leveled playing field with the rest of us musicians :) I'll see you on stage, Scotty.

Anon
Anon

I feel for artists, but I can't help but feel that the RIAA had this coming. I purchase all of my music from Amazon because they offer high quality audio that's DRM free. I'd even be willing to pay more for the files I can get on Amazon. But how long did it take the RIAA dragging it's feet against the winds of change to get there?  They kept trying to force $15 dollar jewel cases at us when what the consumer wanted was to pick and choose their songs and a reasonable price.

If it wasn't for internet piracy, there wouldn't be quality choice in the marketplace. I can't help but think that if we had the options we have today 10 years ago that pirating wouldn't have caught on like it did.

metalsteve
metalsteve

This topic starts riots just as easily as religion & politics lol..... Although I do download both legallly from itunes &"illegally" & do buy the physical copy if there is a special edition available , it's hard to pick a side ,there is an obvious right & wrong in this matter & there are many pro's & con's.I do check out / listen to new albums before I buy due to not having the extra money at the moment to make the purchase especially if it's a good year & there are 10 - 20 new albums being released,I also have a friend burn new albums for me to check out.As a musician I understand that money is what funds your work & it feels like people don't respect what you do when people "steal" your music but the "thieves" are your fans & if you've been in the business for 20 + years & still touring,having fun & still making new albums that debut high on the billboards this issue shouldn't be a road block for you,you never heard of anyone having they're stereo's confiscated for dubbing albums on to cassette's lol.I'm not too sure what the incentive should be for purchasing the physical or digital copy other than owning it but an idea would be to maybe get a code to get the special itunes only tracks for free or maybe itunes could come up with a point system where you can earn so many points from each purchase to save up & use towards future purchases.Hopefully there will be a resolution to the madness.

Vendettapunisher
Vendettapunisher

There is no issue here.  The simple fact is that pirates (as if we need to go beyond the name to understand this) are illegally accessing content without paying anything to the content owners.  They claim to be the new way but it is not shareing with the less fortunate because you can't legally share what you don't own in the first place.  I doubt We are all pirates ever buys a CD or digital tracks with money and then shares, no he downloads content he has no right to and the distributes that content to as many other theives as he can via torrent sites. 

He claims the people have a right to knowledge and information free of charge but what he fails to address is that content cost someone to produce it, it costs them time and money.  If that person chooses to make it free for people then that is their right do so.  But if they do not this guy and parasites like him have decided that with no investment on their part they can just impose thier view on the artists TAKE their work and do as they see fit with it.  You talk about rights and freedoms and the whole time you are trampling the one person who should have the most say, the most freedom, the most rights as to how their art is distributed.  Since when does anyone have the right to take someone elses property and use it for their own ends.

At the end of the day there is no issue no argument, there are some idiots and parasites who have attempted to make an argument where none exists in order feel better and justified in their personal acts of theft. 

What these people have utterly destroyed and will continue to destroy is astounding. Store, business, jobs, events, new material seeing the light of day.

If you ever wonder why we get cookie cutter movies and music look no further than this paradigm of thought.  No one is willing to risk new ideas because the funds are too scarce to afford many failures any more.

I agree with Scott you DL illegally obtained content you get the internet turned off.  If I commit a felony I lose all sorts fo rights, if drunk drive I lose my license and my car in some cases.  Why not make the punishment fit the crime, and if you didnt get the point it is a crime no if's and's or but's, they even admit to it in the name pirate they all so proudly stand on top of.

Josh
Josh

If I had to choose between buying a Anthrax album or not listening to them all, then I'd just skip it all together (in fact I don't have any of their music in my iTunes library). This guy is a tool living in the 80s... enjoy the sales from the concert tickets and merchandise... make better decisions on your label so that you get to keep 95% of your sales instead of 5%. 

Telling people not to download your music and that they should have the "internet" taken away is ridiculous. This kind of discussion makes people more prone to downloading the music instead of buying it. It would be funny if this clown never had a fan download another song, I bet he and the rest of the band would quickly be forgotten by 95% of their so called fan base.

Best of luck dude! I'd love to take a look at your iTunes library, just to make sure I can't find that one song that you maybe, just maybe, didn't pay for...

-JCE in Fort Lauderdale FL

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Anyone who has ever sang, played, or listened to the "Happy Birthday Song" has broken the law. I'll bet most people don't know that this particular song is still under copyright protection. Anyone who disagrees with file sharing should not be using this song at any birthday henceforth.

Gerald Mitchell
Gerald Mitchell

I usually do not buy full albums anymore unless it is released on vinyl. because I burn cd's to play in the car. Sure a lot of it comes from illegal downloading but the vast majority of it comes from transferring my records to mp3's. 

Cyrdarxes
Cyrdarxes

Hey, Scott. Perhaps when you release something that's worth buying, then complain. As far as I'm concerned, Anthrax went to shit after the 80s. Heavy metal has always been about sticking it to the corporate side of the industry and you've sold out your ethics as a metal musician for identifying with that side. You care more about the fans INVESTING MONEY in your music than fans simply ENJOYING the music. You're a money-hungry sellout. EVERYONE DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING BY ANTHRAX.

Machine_man80
Machine_man80

ok here's my case,i am a huge fan of Anthrax and huge fan of collecting original cds i have all Anthrax's original cds and i have a huge collection of metal cds approaching like 1000 cds and i lost count of how many original dvds i have,but the problem is i live in Kuwait and there you can't find any metal cd it's all prohibited and when i order them online the cd without shipping is cheap but the shippings and the custom clearence will make me pay extra 20$ for bringing the cd to me which is like i am purchasing the cd 3 times...and there is no way for me to receive this music other than downloading the albums...so yes i download and i try to buy original cds as much as i can ...coz sometimes you can't wait to hear the new album of your favorite bands but for sure i buy their cds even with that fucked up situation and fucked up prices of shipping and clearance ...yet i am in kuwait and i do all that 

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

This was taken from a consumer advocate website.  Read the entire article here and learn the entire truth.http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/ne...

A 2004 US Consumer Expenditure Survey showed that even spending on CD's by people who had no computer (and were therefore unlikely to download and use BitTorrent) dropped by over 40 percent from 1999 through 2004.

Hhhhhhmmmmm.......maybe the shitty economy is the real reason people aren't buying albums.  When it's a choice between eating, paying the mortgage, and keeping up on bills or buying Anthrax's new album, what the fuck would you do?

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

According to George Lucas, Scott Ian, and Lars Ulrich you can own an idea. What a bunch of bullshit.

Simon Jay Harper
Simon Jay Harper

Completely wrong. And you contradict yourself: they will never pay, even if it's good, as they don't have to... jerk. First, only a few people at any time in history are worth hearing--don't encourage the garbage; second, digital is rubbish--only the LP shows all the nuances: there will be no Abbey Roads in a hurry; third, every person who has made the human capital investment of learning how to write and play to a special level deserves payment. 

Rickyguitar83
Rickyguitar83

It's a tough world out there. I can agree with both sides. It's nice to get free stuff and no matter what, no matter how much people try to stop it, people are still going to download illegally just like people still rob banks. Of course bank robbers are just plain stupid and will get caught eventually, whereas nobody will stop anyone from getting free music from the internet. The internet is a wonderful thing to have, but it's taken advantage of way too much. I personally agree with Scott. No one needs to be thrown in jail, but just take thier internet away. I know plenty of people will hate this comment and have negative things to say, but hey, we've all heard the saying, "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one and they stink." Music makes my world go round. I have too much respect for hard working artists/musicians that put all their time, money, and hard work into creating some great music to make people like me happy. I very much "Worship Music". Wether I love it or hate it, I'd be pretty pissed to work my ass off to make people happy and not get some kind of profit. I'd also be devestated if I was unable to work and couldn't afford music. After all, we still need food, water, and shelter. But while I'm able to work, I still by music at the store. I'm slowly crawling out of the stone age and farely new to a lot of good stuff the internet provides, but hey, what can you do when you only have so little, you work, work, work, and can only pay your bills and not even afford a laptop or computer to use the internet? I know I can't afford all the music I want to hear, but I'm always hearing music that is new to me and I'm not willing to take the time to sit on the computer all day. My eyes burn after a while. I still enjoy going to music/record stores and just looking around. I enjoy talking to people face-to-face. I bought "Worship Music" at the store the day it came out. That same day, time, and place, I bought Dream Theater's "Dramatic Turn of Events". The other day, I bought at the store, Megadeth's "13" album. I've never heard a single song from either of those records until I bought them and I love 'em all. Plus I've never heard any bad music from either of those 3 bands, so I had that feeling that I just knew I was going to like them. I've bought some lousy stuff before and I regret it, but I'm greatful to have the internet that allows me to listen before I make a decision to buy it. I have no respect for theives. I'm currently looking into music schools so that I can do music production. A lot of people tell me I'm crazy because the industry is not doing well. Well, tons of businesses aren't doing well and I'm not one to give up on my dreams. It's too easy to go to your local school and act like you want to be a doctor or a cop or whatever when all you really want is a good title and more money. I want to be part of the music industry because it makes me happy and I know it makes others happy too. If one person can succeed in a certain business, anybody can as long as that "anybody" actually makes it happen. On a SIDE NOTE: I love the new Anthrax, best album they've ever done, and I would say the same thing even if John Bush was on vocals. ANTHRAX RULES!!!!!!

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham

As a fellow musician / songwriter who gets small royalty checks about once a week, I can tell you that anyone downloading music and enjoying it is supporting me. File sharing doesn't kill musicians, OBSCURITY kills musicians.

You must know that the going rate for radio performance royalties is seven cents a play - even if 100,000 people hear your song. Are they "stealing"?  I haven't heard artists complaining about that. Wonder why? File sharing is the new airplay - for those of us who can't buy the terrestrial variety.

If you can't turn a fan into a customer, you're not giving them a reason to support you.

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Man, that's such bullshit. If "artists" did it for the money, the "music" would sound like copies of Justin Bieber records.

Simon Jay Harper
Simon Jay Harper

You're wrong:  It is exactly like losing a licence--stealing costs people money. I am a great songwriter but I have to double up as a writer of articles. First, only a few people at any time in history are worth hearing--don't encourage the junk; second, digital is rubbish--only the LP shows all the nuances: mp3s encourage rubbish music to be created as they sound rubbish; third, every person who has made the human capital investment of learning how to write and play to a special level deserves payment.

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham

How many times have we paid for our libraries through format changes? I've got about 1000 lps in storage. If it's the song we're buying, haven't I already paid for it a few times?

Kev O
Kev O

Wow.  Very very well put.  I think this should be sent directly to Scott.  

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

I couldn't agree more. Most people resist change, but there are times when it really needs to be embraced. The only guarantees in life are death, taxes, and change.

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Learn how to spell and how to properly articulate yourself before trying to make a point. Your all wrapped up in your own anger and it really shows through in the way your expressing yourself. There is no comparison between commiting a felony and copyright infringement, silly to even make that comparison. I don't feel sorry for wealthy corporations that cry foul because their gravy train ride has slowed down (it hasn't stopped). I feel for the people that have lost their jobs but let me relate a little of my own experience on this issue. I work in the lumber industry, a sawmill to be exact. Take a guess as to how many people have been replaced by automatic machinery in the last year alone, 7. Pretty sobering, especially the fact that it all happenedin the span of 12 months. Some of the people that were replaced have been doing their specific job for upwards of 20 years and really knew nothing else. Yes I feel bad for them, but you can't hold back technology, that's the world we live in.

Nelson
Nelson

You're right man!! I'm from South America, here any Anthrax record cost like 35 or 40$. Besides the record company gets most profits giving the artist the leftovers. everybody knows the most part of any musician incomes are from the live shows, so bust your ass off Scott. Thanx to downloading this old metal bands got a second wind.

prettykitty
prettykitty

I love this, and love your use of henceforth.

Earcandytx
Earcandytx

same here, i only buy vinyl it sounds better and holds it's value. It is crazy the mark up on cd's! the labels and distributors are the ones ripping fans off and the band.So the finger has to be pointed at someone and that's people that download.I've worked in music retail for 10 years.The lables sell the cd's to record store at such a high price we can't really mark it up,maybe a dollar above suggested retail.So we really dont make any money,basically we and other indie record stores are getting used by the labels selling a product we don't see some if any profit,and we pay rent.I think many of the bands are put up to saying things like this by the label so they don't lose money.....Personaly if i'm a fan of the band i buy the vinyl,and if i can't i get a hold of a burned copy.Either way the band gets my money when i go see them I make it a point to by a shirt.

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham

With his attitude, why should we even listen to his work? There are so many talented bands in the world that DON"T want to force you off the internet for sharing their music.

I boycott ALL major label bands. If I really like their music, I buy their cds USED. Cheaper, supports local business and the labels don't get anything.

Kev O
Kev O

I wouldn't even waste any of my hard drive space downloading his new album.

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham

Yup! AND it's a singles market, more titles have been released than any time in history - competition from video games, home movies, blogs - people aren't bonding over music the way they used to. It all adds up.

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Sorry to tell you, but LP. is a dead format

Luciphage
Luciphage

Yes, if you want me to spend my money on your music, I want to hear it before I drop so much as a dime, so I can decide whether I want to hear it again.  Scott, it's called "disposable" income for a reason!  Lately, there hasn't been a lot of disposable income in MY wallet, and I don't know if I'll have a job after the "holiday" season.  With so many people out of work, for so long, if you want your two dollars from the record industry, get on your bike and chase it down.  Ride that bike like you STOLE it!!!  (oh wait, growing up in NY, you probably DID steal that bike...)

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Beam me up, Snotty...

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Then start working a real job like me, in a sawmill.

Kfriesen79
Kfriesen79

Kind of sounds like lawyer language hey.

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